Fantasy Trade Thread

[yuuby]

What is the best package we can get for Embiid if we decide to sell high this summer?

- He has 2 years 64 million left on his deal for his age 28 and 29 seasons

- He has foot concerns from an injury that kept him out for 2 full seasons.

- He has a bad left knee that has caused him to miss multiple games in each season since he got a meniscus tear that he got a meniscus trim surgery on.

-He likely now has a bad right knee due to the meniscus injury that he just suffered recently which he probably needs to get fixed and will likely have knee problems on.

- He has back issues since his NCAA days that caused him to miss multiple games each season.

- He misses 20+ games a season even when he is healthy.

- His game doesn't translate well in the playoffs either due to style or injury or both.

- He finished 2nd in MVP voting and was the 2nd team all nba center for the 3rd time in 4 years.

- He expects to get paid the supermax by the 76ers this summer (4 years 190+ million) or the regular max in 2023 by another team (5 years 205 million with bird rights or 4 years 165 million with cap space by non bird team).

My hope is the Paul George package OKC got which was a promosing rookie + 4 unprotected picks + a lottery protected pick + 2 swaps.

That probably wont happen now but in general I think his trade value is at Fox and Shai levels due to injury concerns and the fact that he isnt a top 10 player in the playoffs and was never the best player in a playoff series outside of playing joke teams in the first round (2018 heat, 2019 nets, 2021 wizards).

[stormi]

I think the value is pretty comparable also. The rumblings about Simmons is that his value is still quite high around the league. I actually think we downgrade talent wise, but Fox is a better fit and this is the Joel Embiid era.

[yuuby]

I think the value is pretty comparable also. The rumblings about Simmons is that his value is still quite high around the league. I actually think we downgrade talent wise, but Fox is a better fit and this is the Joel Embiid era.

I doubt Simmons' value is what it was when I wanted him traded in 2018, 2019 and 2020 when we could trade him straight up for a star or a top 3 pick.

Trading Simmons now isn't smart especially when its with picks attached when we are already out one lightly protected pick in 2025 (is Embiid going to be in the NBA that year?). Simmons is a great pump and dump candidate next season without Embiid. They should be able to get him some big empty numbers if he plays center full time and we can sell high on him next summer (remember how good a washed Westbrook looked playing center in Houston).

I have no desire in paying Embiid the supermax through his age 30-33 seasons. Everyone knows deep down its franchise suicide. He will likely be playing the rest of his career with heated knee pads every time he is on the bench for both knees. Thats not a long term player I want to invest especially since the current teams needs so many changes before its a real contender.

[Kobblehead]

It would be a crushing blow to the city if they even entertained Embiid trade offers. Morey would instantly be on the hotseat. I think Joel would have to turn heel and be openly miserable before they could ever trade him.

[DCasey91]

Lowry
Green
Ingram
Barnes
Embiid

I like this setup a lot like unbelievably so. The balance is super duper. Morey there’s your blueprint

Assuming you’re getting Lowry in a sign and trade, it’s gonna be real hard to sneak under the apron with that team. That would be a much better group than what they throw out there now, though.

Haha yeah maybe Thybulle instead of Green?

Lowry - 25
Thybulle - 2.8
Ingram - 29
Barnes - 20
Embiid - 31.5

108.3

Is that doable for the list? I dunno. The cap in the NBA is confusing as heck, so many different type of contracts. And the cap in of itself is flexible as heck lol.

[cool93]

Embiid is never getting traded unless he demands to. The purpose of rebuild is trying to get a player of his level and it's not that probable actually.
I'll be ok if/when we die on that hill. Just PLEASE give him couple of seasons with actual pg and without player who kills halfcourt offence for his team.

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[yuuby]

Embiid is never getting traded unless he demands to. The purpose of rebuild is trying to get a player of his level and it's not that probable actually.

The purpose of a rebuild is to get a player who isn't even a top 15 playoff player in this league?

Statistically speaking you have a coin flip chance of having a better playoff performer than Embiid.

All of these players would be more helpful in the playoffs than Embiid:

Lebron
KD
Kawhi
Harden
Curry
Jokic
Giannis
AD
Lillard
Butler (we have proof of them on the same team where Butler drastically outperformed him)
PG
Booker
CP3
Mitchell
Tatum
Kyrie
Trae

Here is Embiid's playoff resume:

2018 lost 4-1 to the wounded Celtics where he was outplayed by Rozier, Tatum and Horford.

2019 lost 4-3 to the Raptors where he was outplayed by Butler, Siakam and Kawhi. Where he chocked (2-7, 11pts) in a pivotal game 4 when we could have gone up 3-1 and blamed it on a tummy ache.

2020 lost 4-0 to the Celtics where he was outplayed by Tatum, Brown and Kemba and was a turnover machine even though Simmons didn't play. He had a 0.3 assist to turnover ratio in this series.

2021 lost 4-3 to the Hawks where he was outplayed by a no defense midget who some said was going to be exposed in the playoffs. Embiid chocked in a pivotal game 4 (0-12 in the second half and missed the game winner) where we could have gone up 3-1.

Embiid is just as fraudulent in the playoffs against real teams (aka not the 2018 Heat, 2019 Nets and 2021 Wizards) as Simmons is yet gets non of the blame.

Open your eyes we are going nowhere playing Embiid's version of dinosaur ball where we play backwards on offense (post up, isolation, plodding sets) and defense (drop coverage, no switching, getting killed in pnr).

I used to be an Embiid stan before. He got me hooked to the 76ers after watching his preseason 2016-2017. He had potential to be a modern player back then where he shot 3's and was mobile on defense. I am not a fan of what he has become and where he is headed. Let's not invest 4 years 200 million for his age 30-33 seasons. Lets sell high this summer.

[cool93]

Embiid is never getting traded unless he demands to. The purpose of rebuild is trying to get a player of his level and it's not that probable actually.

The purpose of a rebuild is to get a player who isn't even a top 15 playoff player in this league?

Statistically speaking you have a coin flip chance of having a better playoff performer than Embiid.

All of these players would be more helpful in the playoffs than Embiid:

Lebron
KD
Kawhi
Harden
Curry
Jokic
Giannis
AD
Lillard
Butler (we have proof of them on the same team where Butler drastically outperformed him)
PG
Booker
CP3
Mitchell
Tatum
Kyrie
Trae

Here is Embiid's playoff resume:

2018 lost 4-1 to the wounded Celtics where he was outplayed by Rozier, Tatum and Horford.

2019 lost 4-3 to the Raptors where he was outplayed by Butler, Siakam and Kawhi. Where he chocked (2-7, 11pts) in a pivotal game 4 when we could have gone up 3-1 and blamed it on a tummy ache.

2020 lost 4-0 to the Celtics where he was outplayed by Tatum, Brown and Kemba and was a turnover machine even though Simmons didn't play. He had a 0.3 assist to turnover ratio in this series.

2021 lost 4-3 to the Hawks where he was outplayed by a no defense midget who some said was going to be exposed in the playoffs. Embiid chocked in a pivotal game 4 (0-12 in the second half and missed the game winner) where we could have gone up 3-1.

Embiid is just as fraudulent in the playoffs against real teams (aka not the 2018 Heat, 2019 Nets and 2021 Wizards) as Simmons is yet gets non of the blame.

Open your eyes we are going nowhere playing Embiid's version of dinosaur ball where we play backwards on offense (post up, isolation, plodding sets) and defense (drop coverage, no switching, getting killed in pnr).

I used to be an Embiid stan before. He got me hooked to the 76ers after watching his preseason 2016-2017. He had potential to be a modern player back then where he shot 3's and was mobile on defense. I am not a fan of what he has become and where he is headed. Let's not invest 4 years 200 million for his age 30-33 seasons. Lets sell high this summer.

We are winning a title this year if Embiid has all star level PG in place of Bum Simmons.

Its criminal that Joel has NEVER played with good pg in his career. Like, really, not even starter level, let alone all-star.

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[yuuby]

We are winning a title this year if Embiid has all star level PG in place of Bum Simmons.

No star level point guard would want to play with a player who derives almost all of his offensive value from post up and midrange isolation play with little to no movement.

Any star level PG will want to spam pnr something Embiid doesn't have the stamina to do on a full game basis. The dirty secret is Embiid is a terrible roll man in the pnr. Greg Monroe and Boban looked better being the roll man on pnr with Jimmy Butler and Tobias Harris in 2018-2019. Those guys were unplayable due to defense as they were bottom of the barrell defenders.

The only title contender team we had was 2018-2019 and the best player by far on our team for the playoffs against Toronto was Jimmy Butler. The offense ran through him and made sense. He was an excellent decision maker and he spammed pnr where Embiid acted as a popper for the most part. Embiid's style of dinosaur ball was scrapped after game 2 of that series as he showed he was ineffective against real competition.

Simmons needs to go but not now. We need to use next season to pump and dump him when he will look good without Embiid. Then sell high in 2022 offseason. We should have sold high on Simmons after 2018, 2019 and 2020. Dumping him now is not how good GMs act. There is no urgency since this team won't be a real contender any time soon either way. Let's rebuild his trade value.

Embiid needs to be traded right now since his value will never be higher. If Morey is as good as they say he is he knows that their is no better time to sell on Embiid than right now. Why kill your franchise by offering a guy with not one but two bad knees the supermax 4 years 200 million contract through his age 30-33 seasons. Deep down everyone knows that would be a disaster.

[Tomjas]

They’re not trading Joel and Ben is almost certain to be gone before the season

That’s the reality so need to build from that premise

[76ciology]

What is the best package we can get for Embiid if we decide to sell high this summer?

- He has 2 years 64 million left on his deal for his age 28 and 29 seasons

- He has foot concerns from an injury that kept him out for 2 full seasons.

- He has a bad left knee that has caused him to miss multiple games in each season since he got a meniscus tear that he got a meniscus trim surgery on.

-He likely now has a bad right knee due to the meniscus injury that he just suffered recently which he probably needs to get fixed and will likely have knee problems on.

- He has back issues since his NCAA days that caused him to miss multiple games each season.

- He misses 20+ games a season even when he is healthy.

- His game doesn't translate well in the playoffs either due to style or injury or both.

- He finished 2nd in MVP voting and was the 2nd team all nba center for the 3rd time in 4 years.

- He expects to get paid the supermax by the 76ers this summer (4 years 190+ million) or the regular max in 2023 by another team (5 years 205 million with bird rights or 4 years 165 million with cap space by non bird team).

My hope is the Paul George package OKC got which was a promosing rookie + 4 unprotected picks + a lottery protected pick + 2 swaps.

That probably wont happen now but in general I think his trade value is at Fox and Shai levels due to injury concerns and the fact that he isnt a top 10 player in the playoffs and was never the best player in a playoff series outside of playing joke teams in the first round (2018 heat, 2019 nets, 2021 wizards).

Rockets for 2nd overall, KPJ and Woods.
Then we can keep Jalen Green or trade him to OKC for SGA.
Then trade Ben and assets for Fox.

Then we keep KPJ and Woods as assets, while building around SGA and Fox.

[76ciology]

What is the best package we can get for Embiid if we decide to sell high this summer?

- He has 2 years 64 million left on his deal for his age 28 and 29 seasons

- He has foot concerns from an injury that kept him out for 2 full seasons.

- He has a bad left knee that has caused him to miss multiple games in each season since he got a meniscus tear that he got a meniscus trim surgery on.

-He likely now has a bad right knee due to the meniscus injury that he just suffered recently which he probably needs to get fixed and will likely have knee problems on.

- He has back issues since his NCAA days that caused him to miss multiple games each season.

- He misses 20+ games a season even when he is healthy.

- His game doesn't translate well in the playoffs either due to style or injury or both.

- He finished 2nd in MVP voting and was the 2nd team all nba center for the 3rd time in 4 years.

- He expects to get paid the supermax by the 76ers this summer (4 years 190+ million) or the regular max in 2023 by another team (5 years 205 million with bird rights or 4 years 165 million with cap space by non bird team).

My hope is the Paul George package OKC got which was a promosing rookie + 4 unprotected picks + a lottery protected pick + 2 swaps.

That probably wont happen now but in general I think his trade value is at Fox and Shai levels due to injury concerns and the fact that he isnt a top 10 player in the playoffs and was never the best player in a playoff series outside of playing joke teams in the first round (2018 heat, 2019 nets, 2021 wizards).

Rockets for 2nd overall, KPJ and Woods.
Then we can keep Jalen Green or trade him to OKC for SGA.
Then trade Ben and assets for Fox.

Then we keep KPJ and Woods as assets, while building around SGA and Fox.

[DCasey91]

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Best package is to get the 2022 number one pick plus extra.

I don’t what they fed this kid, but that’s not a kid that’s a grown ass man! no baby man child like Luka or Zion.

That’s a man and a half right there.

18 are you kidding me? Lmao 6”11 Cade Cunningham inbound.

Banchero could probably play in the league right now. At least his size is more than fine.

[yuuby]

Rockets for 2nd overall, KPJ and Woods.
Then we can keep Jalen Green or trade him to OKC for SGA.
Then trade Ben and assets for Fox.

Then we keep KPJ and Woods as assets, while building around SGA and Fox.

Rockets owe OKC two picks and one swap in 2024, 2025 and 2026. I don't think they would trade for a injury prone big man who would probably be already declining hard in those years where they have to give up the pick.

Rockets need to tank hard for the next 2 years so they have a foundation and don't have to give up anything good to OKC from that awful CP3 for Westbrook trade.

I think the best we can do given Embiid's injury history and style of play is find a desperate team who is in win now mode. The market for Embiid is win now teams since he probably has 2-3 good years left.

I think the most desperate team is the Warriors. They are in cap hell for the a non playoff team. They have the highest payroll next season without Oubre and the #7 and #14 picks even counting.

I would trade Embiid to the Warriors for Wiseman (who was bad as a rookie but has rim rolling pnr potential and is mobile for a 7 footer), #7, #14, 2-3 unprotected picks in the future (when Embiid and Curry both break down) with Wiggins as salary matching (makes the same money as Embiid but is a terrible contract). Warriors will do that since they are desperate and that is a massive haul for Embiid who has 2 years left on his deal with his injury history.

We could probably move up the #4 with #7 and #14 and get a stud in this draft.

[Tomjas]

Rockets for 2nd overall, KPJ and Woods.
Then we can keep Jalen Green or trade him to OKC for SGA.
Then trade Ben and assets for Fox.

Then we keep KPJ and Woods as assets, while building around SGA and Fox.

Rockets owe OKC two picks and one swap in 2024, 2025 and 2026. I don't think they would trade for a injury prone big man who would probably be already declining hard in those years where they have to give up the pick.

Rockets need to tank hard for the next 2 years so they have a foundation and don't have to give up anything good to OKC from that awful CP3 for Westbrook trade.

I think the best we can do given Embiid's injury history and style of play is find a desperate team who is in win now mode. The market for Embiid is win now teams since he probably has 2-3 good years left.

I think the most desperate team is the Warriors. They are in cap hell for the a non playoff team. They have the highest payroll next season without Oubre and the #7 and #14 picks even counting.

I would trade Embiid to the Warriors for Wiseman (who was bad as a rookie but has rim rolling pnr potential and is mobile for a 7 footer), #7, #14, 2-3 unprotected picks in the future (when Embiid and Curry both break down) with Wiggins as salary matching (makes the same money as Embiid but is a terrible contract). Warriors will do that since they are desperate and that is a massive haul for Embiid who has 2 years left on his deal with his injury history.

We could probably move up the #4 with #7 and #14 and get a stud in this draft.

Curry has been courting Joel for a few years so Warriors would do this in a heartbeat but Sixers won’t

It’s really that simple

If you want assets from the Warriors then trade Simmons there

[yuuby]

Curry has been courting Joel for a few years so Warriors would do this in a heartbeat but Sixers won’t

It’s really that simple

If you want assets from the Warriors then trade Simmons there

The sequencing of trades has to be Embiid trade, pump Simmons stats, Simmons trade in order to extract maximum value.

Embiid trade needs to happen first since the decision on his future needs to be determined first. Are the 76ers prepared to pay him 200 million for his age 30-33 seasons 2 years ahead of time before they can actually see if he can stay healthy before he starts that contract.

If they are willing to sign up to that franchise crippling decision then you can proceed to trading Simmons. If you don't want to sign Embiid to the Elton Brand 2.0 or Ryan Howard 2.0 contract then we need to trade him first. I prefer the sequence that has the Embiid trade first then the Simmons trade later.

[DCasey91]

Warriors have zero assets though lol. For Embiid it’s minimum 1st pick (not this year but next year 100%) plus extra (Ingram type and another player) that’s minimum to me.

Or Luka lol that’s it.

[ProcessDoctor]

Looks like we need to shelf all Dame hopes and dreams for now.

Focus on Harris/Thybulle for CJ/RoCo swap. Follow-up with Ben for the best young guard available (Fox, SGA, Beal, Sexton) or Kawhi/PG13.

[Mik317]

yall have constantly whined about championship windows and yet are basically asking to rebuild asap again.

lol yall deserve to be miserable.

[Eyeamok]

What is the best package we can get for Embiid if we decide to sell high this summer?

- He has 2 years 64 million left on his deal for his age 28 and 29 seasons

- He has foot concerns from an injury that kept him out for 2 full seasons.

- He has a bad left knee that has caused him to miss multiple games in each season since he got a meniscus tear that he got a meniscus trim surgery on.

-He likely now has a bad right knee due to the meniscus injury that he just suffered recently which he probably needs to get fixed and will likely have knee problems on.

- He has back issues since his NCAA days that caused him to miss multiple games each season.

- He misses 20+ games a season even when he is healthy.

- His game doesn't translate well in the playoffs either due to style or injury or both.

- He finished 2nd in MVP voting and was the 2nd team all nba center for the 3rd time in 4 years.

- He expects to get paid the supermax by the 76ers this summer (4 years 190+ million) or the regular max in 2023 by another team (5 years 205 million with bird rights or 4 years 165 million with cap space by non bird team).

My hope is the Paul George package OKC got which was a promosing rookie + 4 unprotected picks + a lottery protected pick + 2 swaps.

That probably wont happen now but in general I think his trade value is at Fox and Shai levels due to injury concerns and the fact that he isnt a top 10 player in the playoffs and was never the best player in a playoff series outside of playing joke teams in the first round (2018 heat, 2019 nets, 2021 wizards).

I like you input but Morey did not become head of basketball operations to run a team with no real superstar(s). He came to Philly to build a contender with Embiid as the centerpiece. Yes things can change but I don't see him trading Embiid for potential. As much as I would like to think that Ben is going to improve his game and give him one more chance. Last season was his one more chance and he shat the bed. So if Ben's value is still high he is gone not Embiid and especially not for Fox or Shai type player and picks that will have to be groomed and you hope they turn out to be something. Can't really see that happening.