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2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1041 » by bboyskinnylegs » Thu Jul 8, 2021 8:47 pm

I could understand trading FVV if we're looking to lean into a rebuild. I don't think that's the kind of trade that we'd pursue though - I think we're more likely to go after the best single young asset we can, even if that means taking back some deadweight or adding a minor asset to do it. He can definitely help a team that has designs on competing in the playoffs now.
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Re: 2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2 

Post#1042 » by hyper316 » Thu Jul 8, 2021 9:21 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:I could understand trading FVV if we're looking to lean into a rebuild. I don't think that's the kind of trade that we'd pursue though - I think we're more likely to go after the best single young asset we can, even if that means taking back some deadweight or adding a minor asset to do it. He can definitely help a team that has designs on competing in the playoffs now.


Trading FVV doesn't make sense now, the two likely landing spots Detroit and Chicago already dried up. Detroit getting Cade to run point and Chicago already used up their assets to get Vucevic (cannot trade 2022 FRP)

I'd admit I was always for trading FVV, but now potentially getting Suggs, it will really compliment FVV and bring out his good qualities
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Post#1043 » by Ell Curry » Thu Jul 8, 2021 11:11 pm

PrinceAli wrote:What would it take to get Mo Bamba? Boucher + 2nds?


In a 3 way deal, maybe.

Golden State: Boucher, #33, #46
Orlando: Looney, #14
Toronto: Bamba

As a base, maybe tweaked a little. But it gives Orlando a higher pick than they can get for Bamba otherwise, Golden State can get a decent prospect at 33 instead of 14 and maybe another guy at 46, but obviously the draw is they now have a big to close games who fits nicely with Draymond and the Raptors get Bamba for Boucher and give him a proper run at backup center behind his old pal Khem Birch (or Olynyk or Theis I suppose if we sign a different 5 with an exception or cap room if Lowry bolts).
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Post#1044 » by Bruin » Thu Jul 8, 2021 11:14 pm

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PrinceAli wrote:What would it take to get Mo Bamba? Boucher + 2nds?


In a 3 way deal, maybe.

Golden State: Boucher, #33, #46
Orlando: Looney, #14
Toronto: Bamba

As a base, maybe tweaked a little. But it gives Orlando a higher pick than they can get for Bamba otherwise, Golden State can get a decent prospect at 33 instead of 14 and maybe another guy at 46, but obviously the draw is they now have a big to close games who fits nicely with Draymond and the Raptors get Bamba for Boucher and give him a proper run at backup center behind his old pal Khem Birch (or Olynyk or Theis I suppose if we sign a different 5 with an exception or cap room if Lowry bolts).

I’d do something like that. I think we could help Bamba unlock his potential and make him the Center of the future for us. He’s still just 23
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Post#1045 » by agkagk » Fri Jul 9, 2021 12:39 am

PrinceAli wrote:
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PrinceAli wrote:What would it take to get Mo Bamba? Boucher + 2nds?


In a 3 way deal, maybe.

Golden State: Boucher, #33, #46
Orlando: Looney, #14
Toronto: Bamba

As a base, maybe tweaked a little. But it gives Orlando a higher pick than they can get for Bamba otherwise, Golden State can get a decent prospect at 33 instead of 14 and maybe another guy at 46, but obviously the draw is they now have a big to close games who fits nicely with Draymond and the Raptors get Bamba for Boucher and give him a proper run at backup center behind his old pal Khem Birch (or Olynyk or Theis I suppose if we sign a different 5 with an exception or cap room if Lowry bolts).

I’d do something like that. I think we could help Bamba unlock his potential and make him the Center of the future for us. He’s still just 23



I like bamba as a reclamation project, but he’s been so bad that he’s on the verge of being a salary dump
I doubt Orlando could get much more than an early second and an expiring for him at this point.

He seems like the type of prospect a third of the gms are waiting for Orlando to renounce next year so they can sign him for the veteran minimum or more likely with an exception.
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Post#1046 » by isyed » Fri Jul 9, 2021 3:45 am

Assuming we get Suggs on draft night.

Pick a big to develop with one of the second rounders and then a draft and stash for the second pick.

Use BAE on khem birch 2 years
Use the MLE right off the back on Noel 3 years
Bring back lowry on 3 year 60 mill deal with partial garunteed money for 3rd year.
Resign GTjr to 3 + PO at 13 to 15 mill average

Hope Suggs turns out to be a Brandon Roy/jkidd hybrid and we good.

Everyone on the team can play up a spot.

Fvv 1 or 2
Lowry 1 or 2
Suggs 1 or 2 and even a bit of 3 when we go small
Og 2 or 3 or 4 and even our small ball 5
Siakam 3 or 4 or 5
Gtr 2 or 3 and some small 4
Noel and birch are the only 5 guys but they can block shots, rebound and switch on the perimeter which we need

Fvv/Flynn
Lowry/Suggs
Og/gtjr/watson
Siakam/Boucher/yuta
Noel/birch/gilli

Super heavy on the guards but having mobile bugs with length will allow us to go small. Depending on how quickly Suggs improves and what we get in a package for lowry in the trade deadline we could improve real fast.

Og takes a step forward, Siakam hopefully returns as an all star, Suggs brings us much needed talent and defensive acumen, GTjr with a training camp returns with emphasis on winning while we get some real rim runners and rebounders in Noel and brich to throw the allyoop to and let them finish.








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Post#1047 » by tecumseh18 » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:13 am

isyed wrote:Use BAE on khem birch 2 years


I'm not sure Birch will take the BAE. It's only 3.8 mill, and he deserves closer to 5 mill. So if we re-sign Kyle and get an MLE starting centre, I haven't been sure how to bring back Khem. Unless he can split the MLE with another C, but who;s good who would play for that cheap?

isyed wrote:Use the MLE right off the back on Noel 3 years


I think we need a C, ideally the starter, who can really shoot the 3. Pascal needs a floor spacer.

Not sure who. Portis can shoot, but he can't seem to stay on the floor because of his crap defence. Same with Kelly O. Theis isn't a great shooter, sorta like Birch. But he can hit it.

isyed wrote:Bring back lowry on 3 year 60 mill deal with partial garunteed money for 3rd year.


I've been wondering if Raps can pay Lowry just 15 mill/year for four years. Easy to trade a contract like that at the deadline.

But the problem with bringing back Lowry is that we're probably drafting Suggs. That's just too many guards who need playing time. I've sort of reconciled to letting Lowry walk, using the cap space to outbid teams who can only pay up the MLE for a C, then sign Birch for the room exception.
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Post#1048 » by vulture » Fri Jul 9, 2021 2:03 pm

what do you guys think of the idea of a Lowry sign and trade to the lakers for Kuzma and their first rounder? Obviously they'll have to make that pick for us beforehand and the trade would be consummated after 30 days.
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Post#1049 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Fri Jul 9, 2021 2:11 pm

vulture wrote:what do you guys think of the idea of a Lowry sign and trade to the lakers for Kuzma and their first rounder? Obviously they'll have to make that pick for us beforehand and the trade would be consummated after 30 days.


thats a steal for Lowry, if I was a contending team. Raptors get a bench scorer with a developing game. and work the magic in the late first round.

again, Raptors lose this trade for current return and skills of the players exchanged. Raptors will lose in the short term for sure.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#1050 » by vulture » Fri Jul 9, 2021 2:13 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
vulture wrote:what do you guys think of the idea of a Lowry sign and trade to the lakers for Kuzma and their first rounder? Obviously they'll have to make that pick for us beforehand and the trade would be consummated after 30 days.


thats a steal for Lowry, if I was a contending team. Raptors get a bench scorer with a developing game. and work the magic in the late first round.

again, Raptors lose this trade for current return and skills of the players exchanged. Raptors will lose in the short term for sure.


Just so I'm clear I'm hearing this is currently one of the ideas that is on the table ;)
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Post#1051 » by Morris_Shatford » Fri Jul 9, 2021 2:52 pm

vulture wrote:what do you guys think of the idea of a Lowry sign and trade to the lakers for Kuzma and their first rounder? Obviously they'll have to make that pick for us beforehand and the trade would be consummated after 30 days.


I would be interested to better understand the rest of the Salary ballast coming along with Kuzma;
Lowry I would imagine would be signing for around 25m whereas Kuz makes 12m-ish I think?
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Post#1052 » by vulture » Fri Jul 9, 2021 2:57 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:
vulture wrote:what do you guys think of the idea of a Lowry sign and trade to the lakers for Kuzma and their first rounder? Obviously they'll have to make that pick for us beforehand and the trade would be consummated after 30 days.


I would be interested to better understand the rest of the Salary ballast coming along with Kuzma;
Lowry I would imagine would be signing for around 25m whereas Kuz makes 12m-ish I think?


Yes the Idea is KCP and Kuzma and a first for Lowry.
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Post#1053 » by Asif16 » Fri Jul 9, 2021 3:03 pm

vulture wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:
vulture wrote:what do you guys think of the idea of a Lowry sign and trade to the lakers for Kuzma and their first rounder? Obviously they'll have to make that pick for us beforehand and the trade would be consummated after 30 days.


I would be interested to better understand the rest of the Salary ballast coming along with Kuzma;
Lowry I would imagine would be signing for around 25m whereas Kuz makes 12m-ish I think?


Yes the Idea is KCP and Kuzma and a first for Lowry.


Honestly, if Lowry is adamant he's gonna choose the Lakers in FA....then that's a deal you def take if you're the raptors
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Post#1054 » by douggood » Fri Jul 9, 2021 3:59 pm

Asif16 wrote:
vulture wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:
I would be interested to better understand the rest of the Salary ballast coming along with Kuzma;
Lowry I would imagine would be signing for around 25m whereas Kuz makes 12m-ish I think?


Yes the Idea is KCP and Kuzma and a first for Lowry.


Honestly, if Lowry is adamant he's gonna choose the Lakers in FA....then that's a deal you def take if you're the raptors

not that it matters one bit but on lakers forums and such, kuzma is the center piece of trades for dame, beal, zion etc.
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Post#1055 » by Asif16 » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:05 pm

douggood wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
vulture wrote:
Yes the Idea is KCP and Kuzma and a first for Lowry.


Honestly, if Lowry is adamant he's gonna choose the Lakers in FA....then that's a deal you def take if you're the raptors

not that it matters one bit but on lakers forums and such, kuzma is the center piece of trades for dame, beal, zion etc.


Lmao that's because Lakers fans are the most delusional fanbase in the NBA. Kuzma doesn't hold that type of value. Everyone with a brain knows that.

They can day dream all they want
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Post#1056 » by tecumseh18 » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:09 pm

douggood wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
vulture wrote:
Yes the Idea is KCP and Kuzma and a first for Lowry.


Honestly, if Lowry is adamant he's gonna choose the Lakers in FA....then that's a deal you def take if you're the raptors

not that it matters one bit but on lakers forums and such, kuzma is the center piece of trades for dame, beal, zion etc.


Lowry choosing to play and ball out against the Lakers sure made it seem like the fix was in (although I'm sure Embiid still really wants him). I wasn't expecting to get Kuz in the deal. He struggled in the playoffs, but who knows what the problem might be. He seems better defensively than last year, when Siakam would just cook him.

But I mainly just want the #22 pick. That will bring out the best in our scouting team. There are some very intriguing prospects throughout this draft. Cooper and Thor will be gone, but guys like Duarte, Ayo, Queta and Petrocev could be gems who will go well before our mid 2nd rounders.
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Post#1057 » by PoundTown » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:29 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
douggood wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
Honestly, if Lowry is adamant he's gonna choose the Lakers in FA....then that's a deal you def take if you're the raptors

not that it matters one bit but on lakers forums and such, kuzma is the center piece of trades for dame, beal, zion etc.


Lowry choosing to play and ball out against the Lakers sure made it seem like the fix was in (although I'm sure Embiid still really wants him). I wasn't expecting to get Kuz in the deal. He struggled in the playoffs, but who knows what the problem might be. He seems better defensively than last year, when Siakam would just cook him.

But I mainly just want the #22 pick. That will bring out the best in our scouting team. There are some very intriguing prospects throughout this draft. Cooper and Thor will be gone, but guys like Duarte, Ayo, Queta and Petrocev could be gems who will go well before our mid 2nd rounders.


Garuba might be a good pick at 22. If we grab Mobley, Springer would also be great at 22. Also, think it is not out of the queston that Thor or Cooper will be there. Thor would be excellent. Looks like he has the potential to be Capela with a jumper.
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Post#1058 » by bboyskinnylegs » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:34 pm

I'm not interested in that Lakers deal unless Kuzma is able to net more young assets from a 3rd team that go to us.
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Post#1059 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:38 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
douggood wrote:
Asif16 wrote:
Honestly, if Lowry is adamant he's gonna choose the Lakers in FA....then that's a deal you def take if you're the raptors

not that it matters one bit but on lakers forums and such, kuzma is the center piece of trades for dame, beal, zion etc.


Lowry choosing to play and ball out against the Lakers sure made it seem like the fix was in (although I'm sure Embiid still really wants him). I wasn't expecting to get Kuz in the deal. He struggled in the playoffs, but who knows what the problem might be. He seems better defensively than last year, when Siakam would just cook him.

But I mainly just want the #22 pick. That will bring out the best in our scouting team. There are some very intriguing prospects throughout this draft. Cooper and Thor will be gone, but guys like Duarte, Ayo, Queta and Petrocev could be gems who will go well before our mid 2nd rounders.


probably under the scrutiny of Lebron and AD. some people do better when there isn't an insurmountable weight on their shoulders while some flourish, knowing their roles.
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Post#1060 » by Psubs » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:39 pm

The Lakers should really use Kuzma, Harrell and 1st pick for Derozan S&T.

Lowry for KCP. Uggh, flip him to New Orleans for Aquaman?
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