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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#481 » by makeitstop » Fri Jul 9, 2021 12:35 am

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Crazy. a 6'10" dude who wants to play PG...

I always played as a point guard in the youth divisions because I have a great court vision. As I am, 2.08 a new coach wanted to put me on the 4 position. As a stretch 4 because I have a good shot and I can attack the basket. But it was not the best spot for me. I rather play in the 1 / 2 position.

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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#482 » by Adelheid » Fri Jul 9, 2021 12:41 am

Vre looks impressive on paper I will admit.
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Post#483 » by RHODEY » Fri Jul 9, 2021 3:59 am

Adelheid wrote:Vre looks impressive on paper I will admit.

Indeed...
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#484 » by nykballa2k4 » Fri Jul 9, 2021 4:35 am

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Not unless he continues to improve...

If RJ takes strides and we get another high-level guy on this roster (Kemba, Wall, Westbrook, Lillard, Beal) there are going to be fewer shots. Randle can be more efficient, but he is not going to magically become a shot blocker, not going to become a coast-to-coast off the steal ball hawk. He can rebound better I assume. Does an efficient 2-way PF with averages of 22-12-4 assists get a supermax?

With our pace of play, numbers are artificially lower. Randle's high MPG makes his season average numbers more representative but overall if we bring in "a guy" and RJ needs shots, Randles FGA's go down. I just don't see a team telling Randles agent "get him here and we will super-max him" That would have to be decided this summer if I am not mistaken (so he would play a season with the new team and be eligible for the supermax). If we keep him all year, he becomes a UFA and we don't put the supermax on the table, I think we can still outbid in years any competition.

A 20-10 two-way PF that shoots 40% from 3 is getting the max from any team in the league. Especially since his max is around 33 million a year

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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#485 » by TBri1974 » Fri Jul 9, 2021 5:21 am

nykballa2k4 wrote:
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nykballa2k4 wrote:If RJ takes strides and we get another high-level guy on this roster (Kemba, Wall, Westbrook, Lillard, Beal) there are going to be fewer shots. Randle can be more efficient, but he is not going to magically become a shot blocker, not going to become a coast-to-coast off the steal ball hawk. He can rebound better I assume. Does an efficient 2-way PF with averages of 22-12-4 assists get a supermax?

With our pace of play, numbers are artificially lower. Randle's high MPG makes his season average numbers more representative but overall if we bring in "a guy" and RJ needs shots, Randles FGA's go down. I just don't see a team telling Randles agent "get him here and we will super-max him" That would have to be decided this summer if I am not mistaken (so he would play a season with the new team and be eligible for the supermax). If we keep him all year, he becomes a UFA and we don't put the supermax on the table, I think we can still outbid in years any competition.

A 20-10 two-way PF that shoots 40% from 3 is getting the max from any team in the league. Especially since his max is around 33 million a year

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This is my feeling too. I hope we max Randle this summer - an extension of about 4 years and 100 million. It will become awkward conversation if we don't, as I am not sure how much higher I would go. Maybe 30 million for 3 years?
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#486 » by SLugger3K » Fri Jul 9, 2021 6:16 am

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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#487 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jul 9, 2021 10:09 am

Dinwiddie saying he’d take 5 years/$125 million from the nff we to to resign with them

https://nypost.com/2021/07/09/spencer-dinwiddie-reveals-cost-to-keep-him-with-brooklyn-nets/
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Post#488 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jul 9, 2021 11:05 am

makeitstop wrote:Who's this guy?

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Post#489 » by Adelheid » Fri Jul 9, 2021 11:12 am

Dinwiddie may want to play for a 1-year deal to prove that he is where he was perfwise before being injured. I dont think teams are going to gamble 25-30m per on a guy who has just recovered.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#490 » by moocow007 » Fri Jul 9, 2021 1:10 pm

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Adelheid wrote:Vre looks impressive on paper I will admit.

Indeed...


He's interesting for sure. Playing in Belgium Antwerp compared to a team like FC Barcelona or other higher profile European teams likely made him a less known name. Possibly good for the Knicks. His ball handling skills are definitely impressive. He himself said that he's 6'10" without shoes (to go with a 7'2" wingspan I believe). If that's true then yeah it's intriguing to say the least. Watching clips, he looks extremely quick footed for a guy his size and is able to split defenders off the dribble. Some guys have projected him to be possible a surprise pick late in the lottery.

My concern, watching the vids online, is whether he can actually create shots for himself. Court vision, ball handling and passing to others looks excellent. But for him to maximize the "unicorness" to his game he's going to need to be able to score off the dribble...against NBA length and NBA defenders (not Europeans). But he definitely looks damn good. Knicks have 2 1st round picks and I think they are just making sure they look at all the options.
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Post#491 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Fri Jul 9, 2021 1:28 pm

moocow007 wrote:
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Adelheid wrote:Vre looks impressive on paper I will admit.

Indeed...


He's interesting for sure. Playing in Belgium Antwerp compared to a team like FC Barcelona or other higher profile European teams likely made him a less known name. Possibly good for the Knicks. His ball handling skills are definitely impressive. He himself said that he's 6'10" without shoes (to go with a 7'2" wingspan I believe). If that's true then yeah it's intriguing to say the least. Watching clips, he looks extremely quick footed for a guy his size and is able to split defenders off the dribble. Some guys have projected him to be possible a surprise pick late in the lottery.

My concern, watching the vids online, is whether he can actually create shots for himself. Court vision, ball handling and passing to others looks excellent. But for him to maximize the "unicorness" to his game he's going to need to be able to score off the dribble...against NBA length and NBA defenders (not Europeans). But he definitely looks damn good. Knicks have 2 1st round picks and I think they are just making sure they look at all the options.


Can he play defense? No mention of that anywhere I saw.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#492 » by makeitstop » Fri Jul 9, 2021 2:23 pm

VirginiaKnickFan wrote:Can he play defense? No mention of that anywhere I saw.


Yeah, that was my first queston, too. In the interview I linked he says he can defend every position.

I think I have what it takes to be at the elite level. My strengths are being a great facilitator on the court creating for my teammates and the ability to defend all positions, from 1 to 5.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/interviews/1151450/vrenz-bleijenbergh-im-working-to-be-a-first-round-pick/

Other potential deficiencies people have mentioned are the lack of a floater or midrange shot. Still, a 6'10" PG is pretty intriguing.
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#493 » by nykballa2k4 » Fri Jul 9, 2021 3:07 pm

moocow007 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
Adelheid wrote:Vre looks impressive on paper I will admit.

Indeed...


He's interesting for sure. Playing in Belgium Antwerp compared to a team like FC Barcelona or other higher profile European teams likely made him a less known name. Possibly good for the Knicks. His ball handling skills are definitely impressive. He himself said that he's 6'10" without shoes (to go with a 7'2" wingspan I believe). If that's true then yeah it's intriguing to say the least. Watching clips, he looks extremely quick footed for a guy his size and is able to split defenders off the dribble. Some guys have projected him to be possible a surprise pick late in the lottery.

My concern, watching the vids online, is whether he can actually create shots for himself. Court vision, ball handling and passing to others looks excellent. But for him to maximize the "unicorness" to his game he's going to need to be able to score off the dribble...against NBA length and NBA defenders (not Europeans). But he definitely looks damn good. Knicks have 2 1st round picks and I think they are just making sure they look at all the options.


Why isn't this kid on any mock drafts?
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#494 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Jul 9, 2021 3:11 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:Indeed...


He's interesting for sure. Playing in Belgium Antwerp compared to a team like FC Barcelona or other higher profile European teams likely made him a less known name. Possibly good for the Knicks. His ball handling skills are definitely impressive. He himself said that he's 6'10" without shoes (to go with a 7'2" wingspan I believe). If that's true then yeah it's intriguing to say the least. Watching clips, he looks extremely quick footed for a guy his size and is able to split defenders off the dribble. Some guys have projected him to be possible a surprise pick late in the lottery.

My concern, watching the vids online, is whether he can actually create shots for himself. Court vision, ball handling and passing to others looks excellent. But for him to maximize the "unicorness" to his game he's going to need to be able to score off the dribble...against NBA length and NBA defenders (not Europeans). But he definitely looks damn good. Knicks have 2 1st round picks and I think they are just making sure they look at all the options.


Why isn't this kid on any mock drafts?


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Post#495 » by DowNY » Fri Jul 9, 2021 5:59 pm

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Post#496 » by F N 11 » Fri Jul 9, 2021 6:26 pm

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I like stuff like this. Doesn't move the needle but young players that fits timeline while the others develop. They are not bums though not the best.
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I like stuff like this. Doesn't move the needle but young players that fits timeline while the others develop. They are not bums though not the best.

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Post#498 » by Knox » Fri Jul 9, 2021 8:47 pm

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I like stuff like this. Doesn't move the needle but young players that fits timeline while the others develop. They are not bums though not the best.

Derrick white meh.. Murray yes!


Be weary when trading with the Spurs. Last time they did a move like this it was george Hill for young prospect
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Re: Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread 

Post#499 » by dukeknicksirish » Fri Jul 9, 2021 9:42 pm

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Any chance we could get Murray... we should do

How incredible would it be to start off the 2021 season with Murray . An actual PG with potential to be a starter past just 1 season
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Post#500 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Fri Jul 9, 2021 9:57 pm

So I didn't know anything about vrenz before watching that short video. I'm not sure if his stats are that great, but that could be a long shot to tempt me away from Thor.

Edit: 10 game sample size. 37.5 from 3 on 7.2/36, but mid50s from ft. 4:3 AST to to ratio. Not much rebounding. Idk. Obviously Thibs wouldn't give him any rope at all and he'd spend two years stapled to the bench. But why not?

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