Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 3.0

[Resistance]

Who's brave enough to post the Brown trade here?

I'm not brave enough. Plus I suck at deals with good players. I know my niche with the role player market and mostly stick to it.

But somebody(ies) will for sure. And frankly Brown is a pretty good starting point for a Beal package so its not that crazy. And if Washington didn't want Brown, you could absolutely get any number of 3rd teams willing to load up plenty more futures to take Brown as a consolation prize.

I like the 3-team option with NO. Beal/Brown/Ingram

NO has lots of ball-handlers (including Zion as a big) and needs better defense and off-the-ball offensive threat without taking a big talent downgrade from Ingram. Brown is a very good fit, still good enough to be a #2 on a good team and young enough to fit long-term.

Ingram is more of a guy you might try and build around as a #1 on an otherwise limited team as he's better at creating offense for himself (I'm assuming Westbrook would be moved for EC filler if they deal Beal).

Or if Washington wants more of a rebuild package then there's GS.

Bertans would eventually get traded?

[giberish]

I'm not brave enough. Plus I suck at deals with good players. I know my niche with the role player market and mostly stick to it.

But somebody(ies) will for sure. And frankly Brown is a pretty good starting point for a Beal package so its not that crazy. And if Washington didn't want Brown, you could absolutely get any number of 3rd teams willing to load up plenty more futures to take Brown as a consolation prize.

I like the 3-team option with NO. Beal/Brown/Ingram

NO has lots of ball-handlers (including Zion as a big) and needs better defense and off-the-ball offensive threat without taking a big talent downgrade from Ingram. Brown is a very good fit, still good enough to be a #2 on a good team and young enough to fit long-term.

Ingram is more of a guy you might try and build around as a #1 on an otherwise limited team as he's better at creating offense for himself (I'm assuming Westbrook would be moved for EC filler if they deal Beal).

Or if Washington wants more of a rebuild package then there's GS.

Bertans would eventually get traded?

Maybe, eventually, IMO not that important to trading or keeping Beal. Most likely kept in hopes he looks better next season and someone wants shooting.

[Threezus]

Who's brave enough to post the Brown trade here?

I'm not brave enough. Plus I suck at deals with good players. I know my niche with the role player market and mostly stick to it.

But somebody(ies) will for sure. And frankly Brown is a pretty good starting point for a Beal package so its not that crazy. And if Washington didn't want Brown, you could absolutely get any number of 3rd teams willing to load up plenty more futures to take Brown as a consolation prize.

Brown would be a fantastic get for the Hawks if they want us to be the 3rd team and move some young pieces and some 1sts lol.

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Also, woah

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[K_chile22]

Can't read the whole thing because pay wall but this is.. Weird.

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Rockets don't really have anyone that fits that description that the rockets would be looking to trade except for Wood, Wall, EG and Augustine

Probably not wood because indy doesn't need a big, not wall for obvious reasons, not Augustine because he has no value. Could see them interested in EG but not in any deal including 13. So again, weird

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Can't read the whole thing because pay wall but this is.. Weird.

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Rockets don't really have anyone that fits that description that the rockets would be looking to trade except for Wood, Wall, EG and Augustine

Probably not wood because indy doesn't need a big, not wall for obvious reasons, not Augustine because he has no value. Could see them interested in EG but not in any deal including 13. So again, weird

Could be something with Houstons later firsts with one being flipped for a vet. Houston moves up, Indy gets a vet and maybe the guy they want anyways, and 3rd team gets a pick for a vet.

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[Texas Chuck]

Could be something with Houstons later firsts with one being flipped for a vet. Houston moves up, Indy gets a vet and maybe the guy they want anyways, and 3rd team gets a pick for a vet.

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Yeah something that is 13 to Houston, 23 and Lamb to a 3rd team, vet and 24 to Indiana feels like a reasonable basic construction if Indiana likes a prospect they think will still be around but wants veteran help as well. Rockets would surely love to combine and move up.

[K_chile22]

Can't read the whole thing because pay wall but this is.. Weird.

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Rockets don't really have anyone that fits that description that the rockets would be looking to trade except for Wood, Wall, EG and Augustine

Probably not wood because indy doesn't need a big, not wall for obvious reasons, not Augustine because he has no value. Could see them interested in EG but not in any deal including 13. So again, weird

Could be something with Houstons later firsts with one being flipped for a vet. Houston moves up, Indy gets a vet and maybe the guy they want anyways, and 3rd team gets a pick for a vet.

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Ah yeah that makes more sense

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Rockets don't really have anyone that fits that description that the rockets would be looking to trade except for Wood, Wall, EG and Augustine

Probably not wood because indy doesn't need a big, not wall for obvious reasons, not Augustine because he has no value. Could see them interested in EG but not in any deal including 13. So again, weird

Could be something with Houstons later firsts with one being flipped for a vet. Houston moves up, Indy gets a vet and maybe the guy they want anyways, and 3rd team gets a pick for a vet.

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Ah yeah that makes more sense

Honestly, JaeSean Tate seems like the type of guy that Indy would look to acquire. Obviously Porter isn’t going to be in a deal like this. Augustin…been there, done that. Wood and Wall obviously wouldn’t be in a deal like this for different reasons (salary for Wall, fit for Wood). Gordon seems more like the type of acquisition Indy would talk themselves into for a Lamb/AHoliday swap if they either wrote off re-signing Warren, or had a move lined up on another big salary to clear up future salary.

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Rockets don't really have anyone that fits that description that the rockets would be looking to trade except for Wood, Wall, EG and Augustine

Probably not wood because indy doesn't need a big, not wall for obvious reasons, not Augustine because he has no value. Could see them interested in EG but not in any deal including 13. So again, weird

The pertinent trade parts:

The Pacers have considered going down to 18th (Oklahoma City) or possibly lower. They've talked with the Houston Rockets, a league source told IndyStar, but they're not looking for a one-and-done expiring contract. They want a player under contract for at least two years for a 13th pick. There are plenty of preliminary discussions that take place leading up to a draft and how serious or deep they go, if anywhere at all, is always difficult to peg.

Also, Pacers looking for a draft pick that can contribute ASAP. Like Chris Duarte. Suppose Kispert would fit in the same way. Prioritizing TJ McConnell. Assuming McDermott will leave for a big deal this offseason.

[K_chile22]

Could be something with Houstons later firsts with one being flipped for a vet. Houston moves up, Indy gets a vet and maybe the guy they want anyways, and 3rd team gets a pick for a vet.

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Ah yeah that makes more sense

Honestly, JaeSean Tate seems like the type of guy that Indy would look to acquire. Obviously Porter isn’t going to be in a deal like this. Augustin…been there, done that. Wood and Wall obviously wouldn’t be in a deal like this for different reasons (salary for Wall, fit for Wood). Gordon seems more like the type of acquisition Indy would talk themselves into for a Lamb/AHoliday swap if they either wrote off re-signing Warren, or had a move lined up on another big salary to clear up future salary.

I don't think Tate will be easy to get out of the rockets hands lol
But yeah if they want to do that EG thing that could just be a combination of that move down.

EG+House (if they want him idk the tax situation) +23+24 for 13+lamb+holiday seems a bit too favorable for Houston honestly due to the extra money owed to EG next year but I think indy does get better, especially if they then flip a pick for someone else

[MoneyTalks41890]

The Pacers have considered going down to 18th (Oklahoma City) or possibly lower. They've talked with the Houston Rockets, a league source told IndyStar, but they're not looking for a one-and-done expiring contract. They want a player under contract for at least two years for a 13th pick. There are plenty of preliminary discussions that take place leading up to a draft and how serious or deep they go, if anywhere at all, is always difficult to peg.

Also, Pacers looking for a draft pick that can contribute ASAP. Like Chris Duarte. Suppose Kispert would fit in the same way. Prioritizing TJ McConnell. Assuming McDermott will leave for a big deal this offseason.

I'm digging OKC talking to folks about moving up.

[Scoot McGroot]

Ah yeah that makes more sense

Honestly, JaeSean Tate seems like the type of guy that Indy would look to acquire. Obviously Porter isn’t going to be in a deal like this. Augustin…been there, done that. Wood and Wall obviously wouldn’t be in a deal like this for different reasons (salary for Wall, fit for Wood). Gordon seems more like the type of acquisition Indy would talk themselves into for a Lamb/AHoliday swap if they either wrote off re-signing Warren, or had a move lined up on another big salary to clear up future salary.

I don't think Tate will be easy to get out of the rockets hands lol
But yeah if they want to do that EG thing that could just be a combination of that move down.

EG+House (if they want him idk the tax situation) +23+24 for 13+lamb+holiday seems a bit too favorable for Houston honestly due to the extra money owed to EG next year but I think indy does get better, especially if they then flip a pick for someone else

Yup. Honestly, if we had held onto our 2nd at 44, that would’ve made more sense of Lamb/Aaron/44 for EG/24, or something similar. I doubt we’d trade down with EG as the acquisition, due to the cap/tax issues it would present for us going forward and it’s affect on re-signing TJ Warren going forward.

And I agree on Tate being valued and hard to acquire. Just, when looking at the rosters, he seems like the only guy that stands out in terms of really being a fit for this kind of deal. If Carlisle wants guys that can play and compete right away, obviously Tate would be that with his defense. Everyone else is either too valuable, or not valuable enough for this kind of swap, was my thinking, is all.

[Scoot McGroot]

The Pacers have considered going down to 18th (Oklahoma City) or possibly lower. They've talked with the Houston Rockets, a league source told IndyStar, but they're not looking for a one-and-done expiring contract. They want a player under contract for at least two years for a 13th pick. There are plenty of preliminary discussions that take place leading up to a draft and how serious or deep they go, if anywhere at all, is always difficult to peg.

Also, Pacers looking for a draft pick that can contribute ASAP. Like Chris Duarte. Suppose Kispert would fit in the same way. Prioritizing TJ McConnell. Assuming McDermott will leave for a big deal this offseason.

I'm digging OKC talking to folks about moving up.

You have to assume that they’re talking to 29 teams every single day, with the sheer surplus of picks they have, and the TPE’s they can “sell”. The huge number of picks won’t help them as much as continually condensing them into the absolute best picks on a yearly basis they can reasonably acquire would.

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I love this for Portland. Brooks is a little overmatched as a HC, but the players always seem to like him and he has a wealth of experience.

[amcoolio]

I had this dream that Lonzo really wanted to play with his brother and Charlotte is going to let Monk and Graham go and sign Lonzo

[ThatBoyNick]

And I agree on Tate being valued and hard to acquire. Just, when looking at the rosters, he seems like the only guy that stands out in terms of really being a fit for this kind of deal. If Carlisle wants guys that can play and compete right away, obviously Tate would be that with his defense. Everyone else is either too valuable, or not valuable enough for this kind of swap, was my thinking, is all.

I'd do Tate + 24 for 13 + 54

Love Tate like everybody else in Houston, but he's about to be 26 and is probably very close to his peak production, and is at his peak value as an asset. Houston needs young players with upside.

[eminence]

I've accepted that I'll never fully understand S/T deals, does the below work?

S/T Oubre (say 3/30?)
Wiseman

Valanciunas
Melton

Value not balanced, but curious if the logistics work?