Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 3.0

[Texas Chuck]

I've accepted that I'll never fully understand S/T deals, does the below work?

S/T Oubre (say 3/30?)
Wiseman

Valanciunas
Melton

Value not balanced, but curious if the logistics work?

As long as the Oubre starting salary makes the incoming money no more than 125% of the outgoing, its perfectly legal in terms of matching.

[Godaddycurse]

I've accepted that I'll never fully understand S/T deals, does the below work?

S/T Oubre (say 3/30?)
Wiseman

Valanciunas
Melton

Value not balanced, but curious if the logistics work?

Yes it works

[eminence]

Thanks guys

[eminence]

Memphis fans (or others), how do y'all rank the various non-JJJ memphis guys in value for inclusion in an Oubre SnT/Wiseman deal?

JV
Anderson
Melton
Jones
Allen
Clarke
Bane
Tillman

The guys I'm curious on (can't imagine Konchar/Porter currently have value).

[psman2]

Memphis fans (or others), how do y'all rank the various non-JJJ memphis guys in value for inclusion in an Oubre SnT/Wiseman deal?

JV
Anderson
Melton
Jones
Allen
Clarke
Bane
Tillman

The guys I'm curious on (can't imagine Konchar/Porter currently have value).

If Wiseman is coming in the one of JV or Tillman needs to go out to GS or a 3rd team. Honestly I think we just look to move Val this offseason and transition JJJ to more center minutes with Tillman picking up the rest of the minutes. So Wiseman is not a great position target for us beyond a buy low stab on pure talent.

I would value them in this order:

Bane
Anderson
Val
Tillman
Clarke/Melton
Allen
Jones

[Godaddycurse]

Memphis fans (or others), how do y'all rank the various non-JJJ memphis guys in value for inclusion in an Oubre SnT/Wiseman deal?

JV
Anderson
Melton
Jones
Allen
Clarke
Bane
Tillman

The guys I'm curious on (can't imagine Konchar/Porter currently have value).

If Wiseman is coming in the one of JV or Tillman needs to go out to GS or a 3rd team. Honestly I think we just look to move Val this offseason and transition JJJ to more center minutes with Tillman picking up the rest of the minutes. So Wiseman is not a great position target for us beyond a buy low stab on pure talent.

I would value them in this order:

Bane
Anderson
Val
Tillman
Clarke/Melton
Allen
Jones

would you do JV for GTJ (S&T)?

[eminence]

Memphis fans (or others), how do y'all rank the various non-JJJ memphis guys in value for inclusion in an Oubre SnT/Wiseman deal?

JV
Anderson
Melton
Jones
Allen
Clarke
Bane
Tillman

The guys I'm curious on (can't imagine Konchar/Porter currently have value).

If Wiseman is coming in the one of JV or Tillman needs to go out to GS or a 3rd team. Honestly I think we just look to move Val this offseason and transition JJJ to more center minutes with Tillman picking up the rest of the minutes. So Wiseman is not a great position target for us beyond a buy low stab on pure talent.

I would value them in this order:

Bane
Anderson
Val
Tillman
Clarke/Melton
Allen
Jones

Makes sense, the two trios that make sense to me for GS are: Anderson/Tillman/Melton and JV/Clarke/Melton

Melton seems like a great fit as the 3rd guard who can start until Klay comes back, backup 4 who gets 6-7th man minutes, and a C to shore up that rotation.

[psman2]

Memphis fans (or others), how do y'all rank the various non-JJJ memphis guys in value for inclusion in an Oubre SnT/Wiseman deal?

JV
Anderson
Melton
Jones
Allen
Clarke
Bane
Tillman

The guys I'm curious on (can't imagine Konchar/Porter currently have value).

If Wiseman is coming in the one of JV or Tillman needs to go out to GS or a 3rd team. Honestly I think we just look to move Val this offseason and transition JJJ to more center minutes with Tillman picking up the rest of the minutes. So Wiseman is not a great position target for us beyond a buy low stab on pure talent.

I would value them in this order:

Bane
Anderson
Val
Tillman
Clarke/Melton
Allen
Jones

would you do JV for GTJ (S&T)?

I wouldn't. I don't see a lot in GTJ''s game to make him likely worth the contract his is going to demand. I rather just start Bane and develop him over signing GTJ to a big contract and losing Val.

Having said that I wouldn't be surprised if we throw an offer sheet at him and see if Toronto matches.

[psman2]

Memphis fans (or others), how do y'all rank the various non-JJJ memphis guys in value for inclusion in an Oubre SnT/Wiseman deal?

JV
Anderson
Melton
Jones
Allen
Clarke
Bane
Tillman

The guys I'm curious on (can't imagine Konchar/Porter currently have value).

If Wiseman is coming in the one of JV or Tillman needs to go out to GS or a 3rd team. Honestly I think we just look to move Val this offseason and transition JJJ to more center minutes with Tillman picking up the rest of the minutes. So Wiseman is not a great position target for us beyond a buy low stab on pure talent.

I would value them in this order:

Bane
Anderson
Val
Tillman
Clarke/Melton
Allen
Jones

Makes sense, the two trios that make sense to me for GS are: Anderson/Tillman/Melton and JV/Clarke/Melton

Melton seems like a great fit as the 3rd guard who can start until Klay comes back, backup 4 who gets 6-7th man minutes, and a C to shore up that rotation.

I don't know if we would value Wiseman enough to give up those trios. Maybe with a 17-14 swap we would do it. But I guess again it depends if our team really sees JJJ as a center or not.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Can't read the whole thing because pay wall but this is.. Weird.

Read on Twitter

?s=19

Rockets don't really have anyone that fits that description that the rockets would be looking to trade except for Wood, Wall, EG and Augustine

Probably not wood because indy doesn't need a big, not wall for obvious reasons, not Augustine because he has no value. Could see them interested in EG but not in any deal including 13. So again, weird

This would be the most depressing thing ever.

[chrbal]

Can't read the whole thing because pay wall but this is.. Weird.

Read on Twitter

?s=19

Rockets don't really have anyone that fits that description that the rockets would be looking to trade except for Wood, Wall, EG and Augustine

Probably not wood because indy doesn't need a big, not wall for obvious reasons, not Augustine because he has no value. Could see them interested in EG but not in any deal including 13. So again, weird

What are the pacers looking to add? Also if they trade 13 for a meh veteran on a good contract, Detroit will gladly send plumlee and a 2nd for 13.

By the way when did the pacers hire isiah Thomas to run their front office.

[Texas Chuck]

What are the pacers looking to add? Also if they trade 13 for a meh veteran on a good contract, Detroit will gladly send plumlee and a 2nd for 13.

By the way when did the pacers hire isiah Thomas to run their front office.

My guess is Detroit's pick at 42 is too low for the player they like in the draft and plus that's crazy value for Plumlee and they have 3 centers they like.

And you know nobody appreciates Mason Plumlee like I appreciate Mason Plumlee. My target for basically every team needing an affordable center...

[HartfordWhalers]

I guess I'm the only one reading that Indy thing as a straight 13 for Wood offer?

I get that Indy already has surplus bigs, but that would make it easier to flip one, or more likely as a 3 teamer:
Wood to team X
Player from X to Indy
#13 to Houston

[Godaddycurse]

I guess I'm the only one reading that Indy thing as a straight 13 for Wood offer?

I get that Indy already has surplus bigs, but that would make it easier to flip one, or more likely as a 3 teamer:
Wood to team X
Player from X to Indy
#13 to Houston

PJ washington/Charlotte?

Wood/Lamb to Charlotte
Washington to Indy
13 to Houston

[chrbal]

What are the pacers looking to add? Also if they trade 13 for a meh veteran on a good contract, Detroit will gladly send plumlee and a 2nd for 13.

By the way when did the pacers hire isiah Thomas to run their front office.

My guess is Detroit's pick at 42 is too low for the player they like in the draft and plus that's crazy value for Plumlee and they have 3 centers they like.

And you know nobody appreciates Mason Plumlee like I appreciate Mason Plumlee. My target for basically every team needing an affordable center...

There was no chance I thought it was realistic. If they are offering 13 for Christian Wood or 23 and 24, ok. But if they’re looking at Gordon with 13, yikes. But Detroit will gladly get involved to help them unload that pesky 13th pick. They don’t want lambs contract, we can flip mason for a player they want, the pacers like 2nds… send it here https://www.nba.com/pistons/contact/contactdetroitpistonshtml and we’ll help you out.

[Scoot McGroot]

What are the pacers looking to add? Also if they trade 13 for a meh veteran on a good contract, Detroit will gladly send plumlee and a 2nd for 13.

By the way when did the pacers hire isiah Thomas to run their front office.

My guess is Detroit's pick at 42 is too low for the player they like in the draft and plus that's crazy value for Plumlee and they have 3 centers they like.

And you know nobody appreciates Mason Plumlee like I appreciate Mason Plumlee. My target for basically every team needing an affordable center...

There was no chance I thought it was realistic. If they are offering 13 for Christian Wood or 23 and 24, ok. But if they’re looking at Gordon with 13, yikes. But Detroit will gladly get involved to help them unload that pesky 13th pick. They don’t want lambs contract, we can flip mason for a player they want, the pacers like 2nds… send it here https://www.nba.com/pistons/contact/contactdetroitpistonshtml and we’ll help you out.

If we were looking at Gordon for the 13, you don’t to think Houston would’ve already filled out the paperwork and called the league office?

[K_chile22]

My guess is Detroit's pick at 42 is too low for the player they like in the draft and plus that's crazy value for Plumlee and they have 3 centers they like.

And you know nobody appreciates Mason Plumlee like I appreciate Mason Plumlee. My target for basically every team needing an affordable center...

There was no chance I thought it was realistic. If they are offering 13 for Christian Wood or 23 and 24, ok. But if they’re looking at Gordon with 13, yikes. But Detroit will gladly get involved to help them unload that pesky 13th pick. They don’t want lambs contract, we can flip mason for a player they want, the pacers like 2nds… send it here https://www.nba.com/pistons/contact/contactdetroitpistonshtml and we’ll help you out.

If we were looking at Gordon for the 13, you don’t to think Houston would’ve already filled out the paperwork and called the league office?

To be clear my speculation was never EG straight up lol
My first thought was something like the thread chuck just posted but without Dallas included

[Scoot McGroot]

I guess I'm the only one reading that Indy thing as a straight 13 for Wood offer?

I get that Indy already has surplus bigs, but that would make it easier to flip one, or more likely as a 3 teamer:
Wood to team X
Player from X to Indy
#13 to Houston

Maybe, but almost feel like this would lead us to have to deal 2 centers instead of 1.

[HartfordWhalers]

I guess I'm the only one reading that Indy thing as a straight 13 for Wood offer?

I get that Indy already has surplus bigs, but that would make it easier to flip one, or more likely as a 3 teamer:
Wood to team X
Player from X to Indy
#13 to Houston

Maybe, but almost feel like this would lead us to have to deal 2 centers instead of 1.

I don't see how it relates.

Example trade:
Wood to Portland
Covington to Indy,
13 and Lamb to Houston

Indy gets more win now talent, Portland bolsters their big man depth, and Houston keeps rebuilding.

[pacers33granger]

I guess I'm the only one reading that Indy thing as a straight 13 for Wood offer?

I get that Indy already has surplus bigs, but that would make it easier to flip one, or more likely as a 3 teamer:
Wood to team X
Player from X to Indy
#13 to Houston

Maybe, but almost feel like this would lead us to have to deal 2 centers instead of 1.

I don't see how it relates.

Example trade:
Wood to Portland
Covington to Indy,
13 and Lamb to Houston

Indy gets more win now talent, Portland bolsters their big man depth, and Houston keeps rebuilding.

I like Covington a lot, but I would hate if we gave up our pick for him. Big problem is he only has 1 year left. I know it's just a framework, but I think Portland has to add a decent amount here.