Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

[DG88]

Far off.

This whole Barnes hype train gives me Derrick Williams vibes

One thing Barnes has going his way is that he really is a dude who's just a jumpshot away. Those other athletic wings who busted (DW, MKG..etc) were picked solely on their physical profile. Barnes physical profile is almost certainly the best in the draft, but he's also a high IQ guy, wont get outworked on the court and he has a lot of leadership qualities.

DW is more Kuminga than Barnes. Im really high on Barnes' floor and i think him/Suggs/Cade are the least likely to bust. Barnes/Suggs bottom out as strong starters, imo while Cade bottoms out as a low end star

Actually, MKG has a similiar draft profile as Barnes IMO.

Elite defender, awesome intangibles, leadership, feel, smart. Can't shoot.

That's why he went 2nd.

Got injured, his defence was never difference making/special and his shooting completely undermined his playmaking skills.

That said, Ben Simmons even without a reliable jumper is an all NBA calibre player

MKG shot was broken like reallllllllly broken

[MixxSRC]

there's broken...and then there's so broken you wonder if player is trolling.

[MavCarter]

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I know this is a suggs thread and people get angry at the thought of anyone else but dude look at that defensive play at 2:57 lmao. Honestly im not setting myself up for disappointment im fine with suggs barnes or kuminga (less in love with kuminga tho)

[tecumseh18]

there's broken...and then there's so broken you wonder if player is trolling.

Apropos of nothing, I was privileged to witness Chuck Hayes' longest jump shot ever - 18 feet or so - at the ACC. I believe it was Game 1 against the Nets.

Matrix had ridiculous form, but it somehow worked for him.

[Raptors Realtor]

CBS with an interesting mock draft

1. Cade
2. Suggs
3. Barnes
4. Mobley
5. Green
.
.
.
13. Kuminga

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-scottie-barnes-goes-no-3-based-on-who-is-most-likely-to-have-the-best-nba-career/

Lol was just about to post this... Funny how they had Kuminga slide to #13 and Green to 5.

[mademan]

Far off.

This whole Barnes hype train gives me Derrick Williams vibes

One thing Barnes has going his way is that he really is a dude who's just a jumpshot away. Those other athletic wings who busted (DW, MKG..etc) were picked solely on their physical profile. Barnes physical profile is almost certainly the best in the draft, but he's also a high IQ guy, wont get outworked on the court and he has a lot of leadership qualities.

DW is more Kuminga than Barnes. Im really high on Barnes' floor and i think him/Suggs/Cade are the least likely to bust. Barnes/Suggs bottom out as strong starters, imo while Cade bottoms out as a low end star

Actually, MKG has a similiar draft profile as Barnes IMO.

Elite defender, awesome intangibles, leadership, feel, smart. Can't shoot.

That's why he went 2nd.

Got injured, his defence was never difference making/special and his shooting completely undermined his playmaking skills.

That said, Ben Simmons even without a reliable jumper is an all NBA calibre player

I dunno about that. Feel for the game and perimeter skills were the critiques against MKG. But youre right, his hustle was never in question. I remember his heart and will to win being some of his selling points, but it was almost impossible to come back from that jumpshot form

[BoyzNTheHood]

One thing Barnes has going his way is that he really is a dude who's just a jumpshot away. Those other athletic wings who busted (DW, MKG..etc) were picked solely on their physical profile. Barnes physical profile is almost certainly the best in the draft, but he's also a high IQ guy, wont get outworked on the court and he has a lot of leadership qualities.

DW is more Kuminga than Barnes. Im really high on Barnes' floor and i think him/Suggs/Cade are the least likely to bust. Barnes/Suggs bottom out as strong starters, imo while Cade bottoms out as a low end star

Actually, MKG has a similiar draft profile as Barnes IMO.

Elite defender, awesome intangibles, leadership, feel, smart. Can't shoot.

That's why he went 2nd.

Got injured, his defence was never difference making/special and his shooting completely undermined his playmaking skills.

That said, Ben Simmons even without a reliable jumper is an all NBA calibre player

MKG shot was broken like reallllllllly broken

It sucks that he was drafted to Charlotte. A better run organization would have known that MKG's jumper needed to be completely rebuilt. Anthony Davis was the star of that Kentucky team, but MKG was the heart and soul.

[TorontoRapsFan]

One thing Barnes has going his way is that he really is a dude who's just a jumpshot away. Those other athletic wings who busted (DW, MKG..etc) were picked solely on their physical profile. Barnes physical profile is almost certainly the best in the draft, but he's also a high IQ guy, wont get outworked on the court and he has a lot of leadership qualities.

DW is more Kuminga than Barnes. Im really high on Barnes' floor and i think him/Suggs/Cade are the least likely to bust. Barnes/Suggs bottom out as strong starters, imo while Cade bottoms out as a low end star

Actually, MKG has a similiar draft profile as Barnes IMO.

Elite defender, awesome intangibles, leadership, feel, smart. Can't shoot.

That's why he went 2nd.

Got injured, his defence was never difference making/special and his shooting completely undermined his playmaking skills.

That said, Ben Simmons even without a reliable jumper is an all NBA calibre player

MKG shot was broken like reallllllllly broken

He makes Shawn Marion's shot look like art

[Odie29]

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I know this is a suggs thread and people get angry at the thought of anyone else but dude look at that defensive play at 2:57 lmao. Honestly im not setting myself up for disappointment im fine with suggs barnes or kuminga (less in love with kuminga tho)

In fairness I think the board just understands Suggs is the most likely pick and most are happy about it. If we were picking 2 or 3 the draft thread would look completely different. Sometimes I simply go to Cavs and Rockets boards and can even go to Magic and Thunder to read perspectives about prospects in those ranges. You see it here as well but the consensus pick at our selection will be the most discussed naturally.

[mtcan]

all ugly this year

Read on Twitter

The decisions of the letters make no sense

LA, NY, DAL all make sense - its the city
Detroit is a D ok close enough

Miami gets the full name... MIAMI
Philly get PHILA

but then
Phoenix is an S
Chicago is a B
Golden State is a W

Raptors is an R ... NO ONE thinks raptors by just seeing an "R" sigh - where is the **** chevron idiots

.. Boston is a clover - ok fine but why did u go letter for the others
Denver is a .... mountain... sure, but its also got a downwards peak
Timberwolves

New Orleans gets the whole logo, so does brooklynn ...

It's a Team Rocket hat...from Pokemon!!!

[raptor jesus]

I think the best shooting comp for Barnes is Igoudala. Their numbers in college were quite similar. Barnes' form isn't broken per se (unlike MKG), plus he's a willing shooter (unlike Ben).

[nowayguy]

I think the best shooting comp for Barnes is Igoudala. Their numbers in college were quite similar. Barnes' form isn't broken per se (unlike MKG), plus he's a willing shooter (unlike Ben).

Iggy was a much better free throw shooter. I'd be way more confident projecting him as a shooter going to the next level if he were in this class with Barnes.

[raptor jesus]

I think the best shooting comp for Barnes is Igoudala. Their numbers in college were quite similar. Barnes' form isn't broken per se (unlike MKG), plus he's a willing shooter (unlike Ben).

Iggy was a much better free throw shooter. I'd be way more confident projecting him as a shooter going to the next level if he were in this class with Barnes.

I wouldn't say much. Iggy shot 67% from the line his freshman season, compared to 62% from Barnes. If you wanna include his sophomire season, sure - but that's a more apples to oranges comparison w/ another year of development under his belt.

[billy_hoyle]

One thing Barnes has going his way is that he really is a dude who's just a jumpshot away. Those other athletic wings who busted (DW, MKG..etc) were picked solely on their physical profile. Barnes physical profile is almost certainly the best in the draft, but he's also a high IQ guy, wont get outworked on the court and he has a lot of leadership qualities.

DW is more Kuminga than Barnes. Im really high on Barnes' floor and i think him/Suggs/Cade are the least likely to bust. Barnes/Suggs bottom out as strong starters, imo while Cade bottoms out as a low end star

Actually, MKG has a similiar draft profile as Barnes IMO.

Elite defender, awesome intangibles, leadership, feel, smart. Can't shoot.

That's why he went 2nd.

Got injured, his defence was never difference making/special and his shooting completely undermined his playmaking skills.

That said, Ben Simmons even without a reliable jumper is an all NBA calibre player

I dunno about that. Feel for the game and perimeter skills were the critiques against MKG. But youre right, his hustle was never in question. I remember his heart and will to win being some of his selling points, but it was almost impossible to come back from that jumpshot form

I guess I'm not sure what we mean by feel for the game. I remember MKG had great feel, he knew where to be, was always ahead of the play.

That stuff didn't translate to the NBA. Once he got here, he was similiar sized, and was given a ton of space because he couldn't shoot. Meant he couldn't manipulate defences the same way he could in college.

Is Barnes a good playmaker, or is he a good playmaker for his size in college. What happens when you put Siakam or OG on him, is he gonna be a special playmaker, or does he no longer have any really extreme physical advantages (not quicker, not more athletic, not taller) that he can use to see angles and make those PG like plays.

How valuable is that? If he's able to orchestrate an efficient NBA offense while being guarded by elite NBA wing athletes, then he SHOULD be picked top 5.

[niQ]

CBS with an interesting mock draft

1. Cade
2. Suggs
3. Barnes
4. Mobley
5. Green
.
.
.
13. Kuminga

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-scottie-barnes-goes-no-3-based-on-who-is-most-likely-to-have-the-best-nba-career/

That mock was all over the place wtf lol.

Agreed. Though, if this scenario actually happened, I don't even know what we'd do.

Draft Green as our much needed go-to scorer?
Draft Mobley as our much needed Center?

I'd personally be more inclined to go with Green... But, I also feel like the Raptors would draft Mobley if given the chance.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

I think the best shooting comp for Barnes is Igoudala. Their numbers in college were quite similar. Barnes' form isn't broken per se (unlike MKG), plus he's a willing shooter (unlike Ben).

Iggy was a much better free throw shooter. I'd be way more confident projecting him as a shooter going to the next level if he were in this class with Barnes.

I wouldn't say much. Iggy shot 67% from the line his freshman season, compared to 62% from Barnes. If you wanna include his sophomire season, sure - but that's a more apples to oranges comparison w/ another year of development under his belt.

Any other examples of guys with that low a ft% becoming decent shooters? Looks like Barnes would put the work in. kawhi was 72% - 75% in college

[nowayguy]

I think the best shooting comp for Barnes is Igoudala. Their numbers in college were quite similar. Barnes' form isn't broken per se (unlike MKG), plus he's a willing shooter (unlike Ben).

Iggy was a much better free throw shooter. I'd be way more confident projecting him as a shooter going to the next level if he were in this class with Barnes.

I wouldn't say much. Iggy shot 67% from the line his freshman season, compared to 62% from Barnes. If you wanna include his sophomire season, sure - but that's a more apples to oranges comparison w/ another year of development under his belt.

Uhhh you absolutely should compare them by their draft year because a lot of players don't make noticeable shooting or free throw improvements. If we knew that Barnes was going to make a significant jump as a shooter then he goes ahead of Suggs in this draft.

Iggy was a much better free throw shooter. I'd be way more confident projecting him as a shooter going to the next level if he were in this class with Barnes.

I wouldn't say much. Iggy shot 67% from the line his freshman season, compared to 62% from Barnes. If you wanna include his sophomire season, sure - but that's a more apples to oranges comparison w/ another year of development under his belt.

Any other examples of guys with that low a ft% becoming decent shooters? Looks like Barnes would put the work in. kawhi was 72% - 75% in college

This is crazy talk and unrealistic. kawhi went from the second-worst true shooting percentage in his draft (edit: actually, looks I'm off on this and misremembering his true shooting but it's still bad) to one of the best scorers in the NBA. He's a massive, massive outlier.

[S.W.A.N]

Iggy was a much better free throw shooter. I'd be way more confident projecting him as a shooter going to the next level if he were in this class with Barnes.

I wouldn't say much. Iggy shot 67% from the line his freshman season, compared to 62% from Barnes. If you wanna include his sophomire season, sure - but that's a more apples to oranges comparison w/ another year of development under his belt.

Uhhh you absolutely should compare them by their draft year because a lot of players don't make noticeable shooting or free throw improvements. If we knew that Barnes was going to make a significant jump as a shooter then he goes ahead of Suggs in this draft.

I wouldn't say much. Iggy shot 67% from the line his freshman season, compared to 62% from Barnes. If you wanna include his sophomire season, sure - but that's a more apples to oranges comparison w/ another year of development under his belt.

Any other examples of guys with that low a ft% becoming decent shooters? Looks like Barnes would put the work in. kawhi was 72% - 75% in college

This is crazy talk and unrealistic. kawhi went from the second-worst true shooting percentage in his draft to one of the best scorers in the NBA. He's a massive, massive outlier.

OG Anunoby

[nowayguy]

OG is a nice pick but his true shooting percentage was higher then Leonard's coming out of college. To clarify, I don't think it's impossible that Barnes becomes a solid shooter but that he's extremely unlikely to make a Leonard-level jump as a scorer.

[Ell Curry]

Barnes and Kuminga seems like 4s to me, so picking one would make the Siakam deal more logical, so maybe the way to look at it is this:

Barnes, Wiseman, #7, Wiggins and maybe #14

VS
Siakam, Suggs

or:

Wiseman
Barnes
OG/Wiggins
Trent/#7
VanVleet/Flynn

vs

____
Siakam
OG
Suggs/Trent
VanVleet/Flynn

I feel like I prefer the latter because I'm scared the first just seems lacking in scoring, whereas Siakam and Suggs getting 20 a night and OG, Trent and Van Vleet getting 15+ a night seems like a functional offense if Suggs can become a Donovan Mitchell type combo guard, which seems plausible enough. And we can hopefully get a center in the 2022 draft I guess, or ideally find the next cheap Richaun Holmes type steal. Just tough to see enough creation unless the #7 pick is a scorer who pans out like Bouknight.