Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[Tomjas]

Agreed. He got thrown under the bus by their best player and coach. It’s not going to last. That said I think where he goes will surprise by destination and also that it’s more than fans thought their team would give up but less than what Sixers fans expect.

Simmons is a very polarising player and no more so than with Sixers fans as many tend to blame him for everything while letting others skate

People will do well to remember that he owes his AS appearances to the coaches not the fans so there’s going to be competition for him

As a Sixers fan, I don’t expect a king’s ransom for him but he’s not going to come cheap either

I expect him to get a Vucivic type of deal. Anything more no thanks.

Maybe but Simmons is levels above Vucevic

He guarantees 50+ wins and a playoff spot

Up to you how you feel about that

[Rookie-Mistake]

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[SO_MONEY]

Simmons is a very polarising player and no more so than with Sixers fans as many tend to blame him for everything while letting others skate

People will do well to remember that he owes his AS appearances to the coaches not the fans so there’s going to be competition for him

As a Sixers fan, I don’t expect a king’s ransom for him but he’s not going to come cheap either

I expect him to get a Vucivic type of deal. Anything more no thanks.

Maybe but Simmons is levels above Vucevic

He guarantees 50+ wins and a playoff spot

Up to you how you feel about that

Meh. I disagree. I think he is a tragically flawed player making about 35mil on average, who is nearly impossible to fit into a modern offense. The defense is nice, the ancillary skill package is nice, but he and a team cannot take full advantage it given his limitations. He could work in MN as a REALLY expensive 4th option and I don't think any team views him above a third option and offers will be representative of that. He is a good player, making a lot of money, however he is a know commodity, is young enough to be a long-term fixture and could be slightly less speculative than anything outgoing package may be. I think a good not great young player plus two picks or it's equivalent value in a multiple team trade is exactly his value though perhaps a slight overpayment may happen. The maximum offer from MN would probably be Beasley, Naz, Culver and 2 FRPs...where that value ends up to get Philly what they would want I don't know, but if it goes any higher there are other options that package or less could get. I also believe MN might be the most motivated buyer for him given we would demand less of him overall and connections so what we would give up would be on the high end.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

I can stomach it easier if he didn’t suck ass at free throws and would be a liability down the stretch in close games. Especially if we made the playoffs

[Norseman79]

Ok...I love Ant, especially how he developed to this point. I would rather blow the whole thing up and build around Ant and McDaniels, but others may see this differently.

If it took Rubio, Ant and Juancho for Simmons and Maxey....no picks, no side deals..just that... would you do it? Would Phili?

Russell, Maxey
Beasley, Nowell, Okoge
McDaniels, Bolmaro, Culver, Layman
Simmons, Vando, Davis
Towns, Naz

I don't like it, but if you would have told me that all it would take is Rubio, the 1 overall, and Juancho for Simmons last year I would have been all over it.

Speaking in a strictly basketball sense, we also really have no idea what Edwards is going to be for better or for worse. Simmons is pretty much a known commodity, good and bad. Obviously the belief is that Edwards could become one of the best players in the league, but it is still could become not is. Simmons on the other hand, is already arguably a top 20 player in the league.

I would really struggle with this. If this is even something remotely possible on either end. I love ants attitude, ability, and constant highlight reel potential, but if the team is that married to Russell and towns, Edwards might be the only way for those who want Simmons.

[jpatrick]

I would not trade Ant under any circumstances for Simmons. Ant is the only player on the roster with the ceiling of superstar player that could lead the team deep into the playoffs. I think Towns has shown that his best role is a #2 on a good team. Simmons, because of his flaws, has shown he can’t even be a #2 or maybe even 3 or 4 on a playoff team. Simmons is a a great role player. He’s essentially Draymond Green at best. He’ll work well on a certain type of team, with shooting all around him and another perimeter creator, but can never be the engine that runs the offense.

The fact he’s essentially a role player in the playoffs but makes nearly 150m over the next 4 years hurts his value. A lot.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Ok...I love Ant, especially how he developed to this point. I would rather blow the whole thing up and build around Ant and McDaniels, but others may see this differently.

If it took Rubio, Ant and Juancho for Simmons and Maxey....no picks, no side deals..just that... would you do it? Would Phili?

Russell, Maxey
Beasley, Nowell, Okoge
McDaniels, Bolmaro, Culver, Layman
Simmons, Vando, Davis
Towns, Naz

I don't like it, but if you would have told me that all it would take is Rubio, the 1 overall, and Juancho for Simmons last year I would have been all over it.

Speaking in a strictly basketball sense, we also really have no idea what Edwards is going to be for better or for worse. Simmons is pretty much a known commodity, good and bad. Obviously the belief is that Edwards could become one of the best players in the league, but it is still could become not is. Simmons on the other hand, is already arguably a top 20 player in the league.

I would really struggle with this. If this is even something remotely possible on either end. I love ants attitude, ability, and constant highlight reel potential, but if the team is that married to Russell and towns, Edwards might be the only way for those who want Simmons.

No. Philly board says we’re overrating Ant. Are they taking to account he’s 19 and had a terror post ASG season after a shaky start?


He’s 19, can’t even get into a bar.


He’s likable and marketable


He wanted to be here with zero drama pre draft


Did I mention he’s 19? Like he’s still under his parents insurance 19? He’s closer to age to my 6 YO daughter and 3 YO son than he is to my 36 YO old ass.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

I would not trade Ant under any circumstances for Simmons. Ant is the only player on the roster with the ceiling of superstar player that could lead the team deep into the playoffs. I think Towns has shown that his best role is a #2 on a good team. Simmons, because of his flaws, has shown he can’t even be a #2 or maybe even 3 or 4 on a playoff team. Simmons is a a great role player. He’s essentially Draymond Green at best. He’ll work well on a certain type of team, with shooting all around him and another perimeter creator, but can never be the engine that runs the offense.

The fact he’s essentially a role player in the playoffs but makes nearly 150m over the next 4 years hurts his value. A lot.

And can’t make fts in crunch time. Can’t make anything outside of the circle frankly. Paying for a 2021 Denali SUV and getting a 2015 Denali with 96K miles would be a tough pill haha.

[Nick K]

Simmons is a very polarising player and no more so than with Sixers fans as many tend to blame him for everything while letting others skate

People will do well to remember that he owes his AS appearances to the coaches not the fans so there’s going to be competition for him

As a Sixers fan, I don’t expect a king’s ransom for him but he’s not going to come cheap either

I expect him to get a Vucivic type of deal. Anything more no thanks.

Maybe but Simmons is levels above Vucevic

He guarantees 50+ wins and a playoff spot

Up to you how you feel about that

He is not levels above Vucivic. On what planet do you live? Vucivic is a 24-12-4 guy. 85% ft's. Simmons is a 14-7-7 guy. 60% ft's. You overvalue individual defense. It's nice to have but I'll take a 40% + 3pt who is an adequate defender. Ben Simmons can't defend effectively ball movement. All the rules favor offense.

We've had 3 great defenders here before in Garnett, Covington, and Butler. After 2004 even Garnett's all world defense couldn't save us. We were losers and we traded him. Covington? We lost. Butler? We barely made the playoffs and lost in the first round. We won more on Jimmy's offense than his defense. Yes, it's nice to have a great on the ball defender just not essential. It's over-rated.

[Worm Guts]

I expect him to get a Vucivic type of deal. Anything more no thanks.

Maybe but Simmons is levels above Vucevic

He guarantees 50+ wins and a playoff spot

Up to you how you feel about that

He is not levels above Vucivic. On what planet do you live? Vucivic is a 24-12-4 guy. 85% ft's. Simmons is a 14-7-7 guy. 60% ft's. You overvalue individual defense. It's nice to have but I'll take a 40% + 3pt who is an adequate defender. Ben Simmons can't defend effectively ball movement. All the rules favor offense.

We've had 3 great defenders here before in Garnett, Covington, and Butler. After 2004 even Garnett's all world defense couldn't save us. We were losers and we traded him. Covington? We lost. Butler? We barely made the playoffs and lost in the first round. We won more on Jimmy's offense than his defense. Yes, it's nice to have a great on the ball defender just not essential. It's over-rated.

I don’t know if that’s a great example. Our best seasons were with Garnett and Butler. As limited as our success was with those two, we haven’t made the playoffs at all without them.

[Nick K]

Maybe but Simmons is levels above Vucevic

He guarantees 50+ wins and a playoff spot

Up to you how you feel about that

He is not levels above Vucivic. On what planet do you live? Vucivic is a 24-12-4 guy. 85% ft's. Simmons is a 14-7-7 guy. 60% ft's. You overvalue individual defense. It's nice to have but I'll take a 40% + 3pt who is an adequate defender. Ben Simmons can't defend effectively ball movement. All the rules favor offense.

We've had 3 great defenders here before in Garnett, Covington, and Butler. After 2004 even Garnett's all world defense couldn't save us. We were losers and we traded him. Covington? We lost. Butler? We barely made the playoffs and lost in the first round. We won more on Jimmy's offense than his defense. Yes, it's nice to have a great on the ball defender just not essential. It's over-rated.

I don’t know if that’s a great example. Our best seasons were with Garnett and Butler. As limited as our success was with those two, we haven’t made the playoffs at all without them.

That wasn' my point.

I think we make the playoffs next year without Simmons with the guys we have right now. It would be nice to add a piece but not at an enormous price. I'd like to try Simmons here but they'd have to take Beasley, Culver, Okogie, Layman and a 1st. Okogie is almost as good as Simmons defensively right now. I said almost.

[moss_is_1]

Main issue I have with Simmons is the same others are voicing here. We have to give up assets, pay him to be a max player, and he can't close games because of his terrible FT shooting. We'd be locked into what we have with minimal draft picks, so we'd be betting that team can win a title with improvement from Ant, McDaniels, future picks or counting on guys like Naz, Nowell, Vando, Bolmaro to be very good while cheap.

[Note30]

Exactly no idea why we are going after a max player with huge deficiencies. We dont have one major player that doesn't.

[SO_MONEY]

Exactly no idea why we are going after a max player with huge deficiencies. We dont have one major player that doesn't.

Because if you can get him for a song it is not the end of the world, but I don't think we want to give up much for him, I don't think any teams really do. It works for the Wolves' perspective only because we wouldn't use him as a focal point of the offense and he defends. Most teams wouldn't have 3 (or 4) offensive options ahead of him, while also being able to match and give "proportional" value without touching the core. Otherwise our best offer should be used on a different target.

[Note30]

Exactly no idea why we are going after a max player with huge deficiencies. We dont have one major player that doesn't.

Because if you can get him for a song it is not the end of the world, but I don't think we want to give up much for him, I don't think any teams really do. It works for the Wolves' perspective only because we wouldn't use him as a focal point of the offense and he defends. Most teams wouldn't have 3 (or 4) offensive options ahead of him, while also being able to match and give "proportional" value without touching the core. Otherwise our best offer should be used on a different target.

Yeah, I just doubt that gets it done. I'm also a little scared of the financial timelines.

[moss_is_1]

I'd be more comfortable trading Russell in a Simmons deal, that way we don't have 3 huge contracts tied to us.

[shrink]

No. Philly board says we’re overrating Ant. Are they taking to account he’s 19 and had a terror post ASG season after a shaky start?

He’s 19, can’t even get into a bar.

He’s likable and marketable

He wanted to be here with zero drama pre draft

Did I mention he’s 19? Like he’s still under his parents insurance 19? He’s closer to age to my 6 YO daughter and 3 YO son than he is to my 36 YO old ass.

I agree. MIN fans and front office love the guy, and I don’t think we would trade him for Simmons.

I only am posting because I was listening to Dane Moore yesterday, and he said that if MIN had gotten a top three pick, that it would have been a foregone conclusion they would have built around the timeline of the Top 3 guy (franchise level?), Ant and McDaniels, rather than Towns-DLo! I don’t know if I’d go that far - all these players haven’t reached their prime, and having stars on rookie deals allows you to afford max deals on KAT and DLo. Rosas said last week he wants to build on both timelines.

I don’t know, but I think Dane’s statement gives me a lot of comfort that the Wolves aren’t trading Anthony Edwards, so I wanted to pass it along.

[Baseline81]

Okogie is almost as good as Simmons defensively right now. I said almost.

How do you define almost?

[TheAlanParsons]

Rosas is in desperation win-now mode to try to save his job when the new owners take over. In what universe has it ever been a good idea for the Wolves to trade away unprotected first round picks? So the team can have the privilege of paying TWO shaky players max contracts? IMO this is Bad Idea Jeans material.

[Norseman79]

No. Philly board says we’re overrating Ant. Are they taking to account he’s 19 and had a terror post ASG season after a shaky start?

He’s 19, can’t even get into a bar.

He’s likable and marketable

He wanted to be here with zero drama pre draft

Did I mention he’s 19? Like he’s still under his parents insurance 19? He’s closer to age to my 6 YO daughter and 3 YO son than he is to my 36 YO old ass.

I agree. MIN fans and front office love the guy, and I don’t think we would trade him for Simmons.

I only am posting because I was listening to Dane Moore yesterday, and he said that if MIN had gotten a top three pick, that it would have been a foregone conclusion they would have built around the timeline of the Top 3 guy (franchise level?), Ant and McDaniels, rather than Towns-DLo! I don’t know if I’d go that far - all these players haven’t reached their prime, and having stars on rookie deals allows you to afford max deals on KAT and DLo. Rosas said last week he wants to build on both timelines.

I don’t know, but I think Dane’s statement gives me a lot of comfort that the Wolves aren’t trading Anthony Edwards, so I wanted to pass it along.

It's the building on both timelines that scare me....it feels like getting stuck in mediocrity

Not that that isn't an improvement