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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#781 » by bboyskinnylegs » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:04 am

I think the odds are probably around 70% Suggs - 30% Mobley at #4. Green being off the board at 2 would definitely test the Cavs' willingness to go for BPA vs fit though. Would be comical if the sunk cost fallacy with Jarrett Allen is the reason they pass on Mobley.
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Post#782 » by mtcan » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:04 am

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Perfect. All but a done deal in my mind based on everything. Masai will angle Mobley to us now

If Mobley is the pick at #4...I really really want them to get us another lottery pick to get a wing scorer...
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

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Perfect. All but a done deal in my mind based on everything. Masai will angle Mobley to us now

If Mobley is the pick at #4...I really really want them to get us another lottery pick to get a wing scorer...

Mobley + Bouknight would be a perfect draft
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Post#784 » by hyper316 » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:06 am

Why do people insist Cavs keep Allen and won't draft Mobley? If the comps for Mobley is AD/Bosh, then Mobley should play PF and fit with Allen just fine.

Suggs will fall to 4
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#785 » by DG88 » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:09 am

hyper316 wrote:Why do people insist Cavs keep Allen and won't draft Mobley? If the comps for Mobley is AD/Bosh, then Mobley should play PF and fit with Allen just fine.

Suggs will fall to 4

Mobley is best suited as a 5 man as he'd be in the paint more and be involved in more PnR coverages where he really excels. Mobley still needs time to grow into his body and could come off the bench for the Cavs. Even if Mobley came here I doubt he would start right away.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#786 » by bboyskinnylegs » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:10 am

If Mobley does fall to us, I'm ok with this lineup.
FVV/Flynn
GTJ/?
OG/Watanabe
Pascal/Boucher
Mobley/Birch

+ possible return in Kyle S&T
+ two 2nd round picks
+ any other free agent signings/trades

Maybe we look at what the market has to offer for Pascal or FVV as well, but we're in an ok position.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#787 » by Bruin » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:15 am

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hyper316 wrote:Why do people insist Cavs keep Allen and won't draft Mobley? If the comps for Mobley is AD/Bosh, then Mobley should play PF and fit with Allen just fine.

Suggs will fall to 4

Mobley is best suited as a 5 man as he'd be in the paint more and be involved in more PnR coverages where he really excels. Mobley still needs time to grow into his body and could come off the bench for the Cavs. Even if Mobley came here I doubt he would start right away.

Considering we have a huge hole at the 5 I think he would start

And he needs playtime to properly develop. Basically have to do the opposite of what the Warriors did with Wiseman and let him learn through his mistakes
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#788 » by mtcan » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:15 am

bboyskinnylegs wrote:If Mobley does fall to us, I'm ok with this lineup.
FVV/Flynn
GTJ/?
OG/Watanabe
Pascal/Boucher
Mobley/Birch

+ possible return in Kyle S&T
+ two 2nd round picks
+ any other free agent signings/trades

Maybe we look at what the market has to offer for Pascal or FVV as well, but we're in an ok position.

That's still a 6th/7th seed in the East...

I think we are still a couple of big pieces away...but I guess it is a start.
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Post#789 » by Bruin » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:17 am

mtcan wrote:
bboyskinnylegs wrote:If Mobley does fall to us, I'm ok with this lineup.
FVV/Flynn
GTJ/?
OG/Watanabe
Pascal/Boucher
Mobley/Birch

+ possible return in Kyle S&T
+ two 2nd round picks
+ any other free agent signings/trades

Maybe we look at what the market has to offer for Pascal or FVV as well, but we're in an ok position.

That's still a 6th/7th seed in the East...

I think we are still a couple of big pieces away...but I guess it is a start.

Considering we’d be starting 3 guys 23 and under alongside two 27 year olds I think even a 6 seed is alright for us. We’re not going to be contending in the next season so any playoff experience we can get for the rookie would be good
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Post#790 » by WuTang_CMB » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:17 am

hyper316 wrote:Why do people insist Cavs keep Allen and won't draft Mobley? If the comps for Mobley is AD/Bosh, then Mobley should play PF and fit with Allen just fine.

Suggs will fall to 4


Mobley is a 5 in todays nba. Bosh would be too
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Post#792 » by mtcan » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:20 am

PrinceAli wrote:
mtcan wrote:
bboyskinnylegs wrote:If Mobley does fall to us, I'm ok with this lineup.
FVV/Flynn
GTJ/?
OG/Watanabe
Pascal/Boucher
Mobley/Birch

+ possible return in Kyle S&T
+ two 2nd round picks
+ any other free agent signings/trades

Maybe we look at what the market has to offer for Pascal or FVV as well, but we're in an ok position.

That's still a 6th/7th seed in the East...

I think we are still a couple of big pieces away...but I guess it is a start.

Considering we’d be starting 3 guys 23 and under alongside two 27 year olds I think even a 6 seed is alright for us. We’re not going to be contending in the next season so any playoff experience we can get for the rookie would be good

I'm not complaining about getting #4 pick...but ya my ideal draft be to get a Green/Suggs. Mobley would fill an obvious need but to me he's less exciting...but I guess that's how Masai also likes it.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#793 » by WuTang_CMB » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:20 am

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hyper316 wrote:Why do people insist Cavs keep Allen and won't draft Mobley? If the comps for Mobley is AD/Bosh, then Mobley should play PF and fit with Allen just fine.

Suggs will fall to 4

Mobley is best suited as a 5 man as he'd be in the paint more and be involved in more PnR coverages where he really excels. Mobley still needs time to grow into his body and could come off the bench for the Cavs. Even if Mobley came here I doubt he would start right away.


If its just birch/boucher, best we start him. Deandre ayton started his first year and provided 16 and 7. These are bith elite big men coming out of college. He’ll struggled against the embiid’s but his length and height will keep him in there developing.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#794 » by will » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:23 am

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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#795 » by WuTang_CMB » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:25 am

mtcan wrote:
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mtcan wrote:That's still a 6th/7th seed in the East...

I think we are still a couple of big pieces away...but I guess it is a start.

Considering we’d be starting 3 guys 23 and under alongside two 27 year olds I think even a 6 seed is alright for us. We’re not going to be contending in the next season so any playoff experience we can get for the rookie would be good

I'm not complaining about getting #4 pick...but ya my ideal draft be to get a Green/Suggs. Mobley would fill an obvious need but to me he's less exciting...but I guess that's how Masai also likes it.


Masai thinks dominant force. Suggs will be great and our pick if Mobley doesnt fall. But Masai is always in search for the next giannis type prospect or i should say a big with playmaking skills. Just drive it down the lane and dunk on people. Mobley has the potential to be this guy. Plus his permiter skills are there. Just a rare prospect.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#796 » by mtcan » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:28 am

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PrinceAli wrote:Considering we’d be starting 3 guys 23 and under alongside two 27 year olds I think even a 6 seed is alright for us. We’re not going to be contending in the next season so any playoff experience we can get for the rookie would be good

I'm not complaining about getting #4 pick...but ya my ideal draft be to get a Green/Suggs. Mobley would fill an obvious need but to me he's less exciting...but I guess that's how Masai also likes it.


Masai thinks dominant force. Suggs will be great and our pick if Mobley doesnt fall. But Masai is always in search for the next giannis type prospect or i should say a big with playmaking skills. Just drive it down the lane and dunk on people. Mobley has the potential to be this guy. Plus his permiter skills are there. Just a rare prospect.

I see a difference between Giannis/Lebron and Mobley i.e. guys that play with force and a certain aggression. Scottie Barnes has a bit of that. Mobley doesn't...as far as I can see. Mobley doesn't move like those guys and doesn't have the same kind of motor.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#797 » by WuTang_CMB » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:34 am

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mtcan wrote:I'm not complaining about getting #4 pick...but ya my ideal draft be to get a Green/Suggs. Mobley would fill an obvious need but to me he's less exciting...but I guess that's how Masai also likes it.


Masai thinks dominant force. Suggs will be great and our pick if Mobley doesnt fall. But Masai is always in search for the next giannis type prospect or i should say a big with playmaking skills. Just drive it down the lane and dunk on people. Mobley has the potential to be this guy. Plus his permiter skills are there. Just a rare prospect.

I see a difference between Giannis/Lebron and Mobley i.e. guys that play with force and a certain aggression. Scottie Barnes has a bit of that. Mobley doesn't...as far as I can see. Mobley doesn't move like those guys and doesn't have the same kind of motor.


Thats fair. But i look at a guy like KD (not comparing them) and i see the same approach to a guy like mobley. Just will overtake you with elite talent. I just dont see how Masai passes on the type of prospect in Mobley. Imo he’s #1 on our board aside from Cade
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Post#798 » by NinjaBro » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:38 am

What are the chances that the best player from this draft isn't in the top 4?
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Post#799 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:39 am

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Also another guy to look at with one of our 2nd round picks.


Give me Vrenz and Neemias in the 2nd round!


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