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Re: 2021 Draft Thread 

Post#1021 » by Scoots1994 » Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:41 pm

shazam_guy wrote:I'm leaning toward going safe with the first choice, a little more prep-time/upside for the second. I'm still thinking Moody with the 7 (not saying someone dropping might not change that, but I'm still thinking about who I'd change for) and maybe someone like Jaden Springer with the 14. From what I've seen, Springer should be able to play D day one, but has a lot of potential for improvement as well. And Moody should be a reliable shooter pretty quick too, contributing first year, though maybe not so much upside.

So, that's me, three weeks out, ignorant but unashamed.


I think the higher the pick the more important it's BPA all the way. 7 take the best player on the board, 14 draft for fit this year.

If Kuminga is there at 7 it would be hard to pass on him even though he needs more development than pretty much anyone listed in the top 10 in this draft.
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Post#1022 » by whatisacenter » Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:26 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:
shazam_guy wrote:I'm leaning toward going safe with the first choice, a little more prep-time/upside for the second. I'm still thinking Moody with the 7 (not saying someone dropping might not change that, but I'm still thinking about who I'd change for) and maybe someone like Jaden Springer with the 14. From what I've seen, Springer should be able to play D day one, but has a lot of potential for improvement as well. And Moody should be a reliable shooter pretty quick too, contributing first year, though maybe not so much upside.

So, that's me, three weeks out, ignorant but unashamed.


I think the higher the pick the more important it's BPA all the way. 7 take the best player on the board, 14 draft for fit this year.

If Kuminga is there at 7 it would be hard to pass on him even though he needs more development than pretty much anyone listed in the top 10 in this draft.


I agree with the BPA at 7 and I would probably lean that way at 14 as well. Realistically no rookie is going to come in and contribute in a meaningful-impactful way on a playoff team. If they can provide some defense and spacing as a rookie that would be a win in my eyes but if there is a player/s that you think has a higher future upside I would probably be inclined to pick for the future.

I can't wait for the draft to see if the Warriors keep the pick/s and if a team takes a surprise player in the top 6 ahead of them. Also, some team might be enamored with Sengun/Giddey/Ziaire enough to trade up with the Warriors at 7.
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Re: 2021 Draft Thread 

Post#1023 » by ChuckDurn » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:33 pm

Scoots1994 wrote:
shazam_guy wrote:I'm leaning toward going safe with the first choice, a little more prep-time/upside for the second. I'm still thinking Moody with the 7 (not saying someone dropping might not change that, but I'm still thinking about who I'd change for) and maybe someone like Jaden Springer with the 14. From what I've seen, Springer should be able to play D day one, but has a lot of potential for improvement as well. And Moody should be a reliable shooter pretty quick too, contributing first year, though maybe not so much upside.

So, that's me, three weeks out, ignorant but unashamed.


I think the higher the pick the more important it's BPA all the way. 7 take the best player on the board, 14 draft for fit this year.

If Kuminga is there at 7 it would be hard to pass on him even though he needs more development than pretty much anyone listed in the top 10 in this draft.

Yeah, agreed on both. And if Kuminga is there at 7, I’m using the full 15 minutes (or is it 10?) on the phone (probably with Orlando, Sacramento, and New Orleans) to see what they would offer us to trade up to 7. But if I didn’t get a satisfactory offer, I’d almost certainly pick him, based on value.
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Post#1024 » by killmongrel » Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:41 pm

After looking at a few of the other teams' boards on other sites, the name I hear the most when it comes to who they want to draft after the top 6 is either Moody or Bouknight. Neither of those two are making it to 7. So really, if the Warriors are not enamored with either, they can probably get some offers to see who is desperate enough to jump up the draft for them.

Edit: I mean I don't see Moody or Bouknight both falling past 7, and neither is falling close to 14.
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Post#1025 » by DevinVassell » Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:09 pm

https://theathletic.com/2694200/2021/07/08/nba-draft-confidential-coaches-execs-discuss-cade-cunningham-debate-jalen-green-vs-jalen-suggs-sleepers/

Who’s the Fourth Supreme?
We know Cunningham, Suggs and Green will be the top guards taken, but who will go next amongst the guards? Multiple mocks have multiple guys in the late lottery, but four seem to be jockeying with one another: Connecticut sophomore James Bouknight, Baylor junior Davion Mitchell, Arkansas freshman swingman Moses Moody and Tennessee freshman Keon Johnson — who obliterated the previous draft combine vertical leap record two weeks ago with an astonishing 48-inch jump. This might be the order they go in; at the least, it’s hard to see either Bouknight or Mitchell lasting into the teens.

The case for Bouknight

Eastern Conference executive 3: He shot the piss out the ball in workouts. I don’t know if he’s the hardest worker in practice, but when the lights come on, he shined.

Western Conference executive 2: People want to compare him to (Jordan) Clarkson today. You need to compare Bouknight to Clarkson when he was a sophomore at Missouri. Apples to apples. You don’t compare Mitchell to Russell Westbrook the MVP; you compare him to where Russell Westbrook was at UCLA. Similar size. Bouknight’s got a better handle. I never thought Clarkson was great with the ball. But Bouknight’s a tough kid. I like him. I don’t think he’s a great shooter yet. Good midrange, can handle the pick-and-roll. I just wish he shot it a little better. But, again, he’s 20.

College head coach 2 (his team played UConn last year): Streaky. He can shoot, can put it on the floor. He just needs to become a more consistent shooter. All that will fall into place. He can put it on the floor. He kicked our ass. First game he struggled; next game he went off on us. But he’s got to improve on his game. Don’t think “I’ve made it.” Continue to work on his handle. Like everybody in college, it’s a different level when you get to (the NBA). But I like him.

The case for Mitchell

College assistant coach 1 (his team played Baylor last season): We had to pick our poison with him. He’s obviously solid defensively. He has that mentality that he wants to guard. Physically, he has the ability to be able to guard. He can body you up. He moves his feet really well, both ways. On the offensive end we felt that we would give him the jump shot more than let him get to the basket, but then again, you’ve got to be able to at least touch him, because he’s a capable jump shooter. But he’s really good at finishing going to the basket. He sees the floor well. He has a point guard mentality; I don’t think he’s a shoot-it-first guard. He knows when to take his shots. Where (Jared) Butler is more smooth and herky-jerky on the offensive end, Mitchell will kind of like go on and explode by you and put his shoulders on you. He’s not going to play with the ball as much as Butler does. Mitchell will take his shot when it’s given to him. … Physically, he can guard (shooting guards).

College head coach 3 (his team also played Baylor): He disrupted us. His ability to sit down in a stance and move his feet laterally, with pressure. Most guys back up because they’re afraid you’re going to blow by. He’s really good on catch-and-shoot 3s. He puts the fear of God into you defensively. He’s like Muggsy (Bogues) on the ball. Davion Mitchell is right there among the best defenders I’ve ever coached against. Whatever team gets him, you’re as good as you are at the point of attack. He’s like a (Chris Paul), or a (Kyle) Lowry. … Plus he’s got a mean streak to him. He’s got an edge to him. When I was watching their tape, I stopped watching Baylor and started watching him. His measurables are irrelevant. Try measuring between his ears and inside his chest.

Eastern Conference executive 4: I think people see similarities with Donovan Mitchell. … I think this kid is a better point guard than Donovan was, and he might be a better pressure defender than Donovan was. He’s got ‘bulldog’ in him. Especially this year, he’s got extreme confidence in his ability to play both ends of the court. He’s going to get a bump because of the Donovan Mitchell (comparison). Donovan surpassed whatever we thought of him. I don’t know if Davion can get to that level. But he’s going to be a solid pro for many, many years. And, he’s got leadership abilities … I think this kid’s going to be able to step in and get his voice right away.

The case for Moody

Eastern Conference executive 4: I see him as a two, as a wing. He can play two, probably play some three. Moody is probably a much better defender (than Bouknight) because of the system he’s coming out of at Arkansas. (Coach Eric Musselman) makes those guys play defense, whereas I’m not sure they pressured (Bouknight) at Connecticut to play defense. They needed him to score. (Bouknight) shot it extremely well before he got hurt.

The case for Johnson

Western Conference executive 3: At the beginning of the year, it could have been close (between Johnson and his Tennessee teammate, Jaden Springer). But Keon, No. 1, athletically, is a freak. Two, not saying that Jaden isn’t, but Keon could be the best competitor in this draft class. His compete level is, by far, maybe the best in the draft. You could possibly throw in Mitchell a little bit. But this kid, he goes at a different pace and speed in a game, both offensively and defensively, that separates him. I would say today, Jaden is a more skilled basketball player — meaning handle, passing, shooting. But in the long run, I think Keon, with his work ethic, that’s what you’re seeing.

If he’s a worker, which it seems like he is, he’s going to get better in those areas. And he already will have an athletic component and a motor. … he’s like an assassin. He has stuff that now, in our game, is so important. Guys don’t play hard every night. When I started in this business, we never discussed if a guy played hard. … Now, today, I’d say the last five, seven years, playing hard has become part of our scouting. Does he play hard enough? That’s ridiculous. This kid, he plays really, really hard all the time. And at Tennessee, you know they’ve been coached hard. Playing hard is an important staple in their program.
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Re: 2021 Draft Thread 

Post#1026 » by ChuckDurn » Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:01 pm

killmongrel wrote:After looking at a few of the other teams' boards on other sites, the name I hear the most when it comes to who they want to draft after the top 6 is either Moody or Bouknight. Neither of those two are making it to 7. So really, if the Warriors are not enamored with either, they can probably get some offers to see who is desperate enough to jump up the draft for them.

Fans on team boards have zero reliability with respect to what their front offices will do.

There’s no way both Moody and Bouknight are gone in the top-6. Maybe one of them, but not both, considering that it would mean that they jumped over 2 of Suggs, Barnes, and Kuminga. (Hopefully everybody agrees that Cade, Mobley, and Green are locks to be there.)

If both Moody and Bouknight are off the board by 7, we should thank our lucky stars, and take either Suggs or Barnes as a steal.
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Re: 2021 Draft Thread 

Post#1027 » by killmongrel » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:08 pm

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killmongrel wrote:After looking at a few of the other teams' boards on other sites, the name I hear the most when it comes to who they want to draft after the top 6 is either Moody or Bouknight. Neither of those two are making it to 7. So really, if the Warriors are not enamored with either, they can probably get some offers to see who is desperate enough to jump up the draft for them.

Fans on team boards have zero reliability with respect to what their front offices will do.

There’s no way both Moody and Bouknight are gone in the top-6. Maybe one of them, but not both, considering that it would mean that they jumped over 2 of Suggs, Barnes, and Kuminga. (Hopefully everybody agrees that Cade, Mobley, and Green are locks to be there.)

If both Moody and Bouknight are off the board by 7, we should thank our lucky stars, and take either Suggs or Barnes as a steal.


My bad, I didn't mean the top 6. I mean I could see them going 7/8. Other fans don't seem all that enamored by the other guys. But you're right, fans are not a good metric to judge how a team's FO is going to pick.
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Post#1028 » by Quazza » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:46 pm

DevinVassell wrote:https://theathletic.com/2694200/2021/07/08/nba-draft-confidential-coaches-execs-discuss-cade-cunningham-debate-jalen-green-vs-jalen-suggs-sleepers/

Who’s the Fourth Supreme?
We know Cunningham, Suggs and Green will be the top guards taken, but who will go next amongst the guards? Multiple mocks have multiple guys in the late lottery, but four seem to be jockeying with one another: Connecticut sophomore James Bouknight, Baylor junior Davion Mitchell, Arkansas freshman swingman Moses Moody and Tennessee freshman Keon Johnson — who obliterated the previous draft combine vertical leap record two weeks ago with an astonishing 48-inch jump. This might be the order they go in; at the least, it’s hard to see either Bouknight or Mitchell lasting into the teens.

The case for Bouknight

Eastern Conference executive 3: He shot the piss out the ball in workouts. I don’t know if he’s the hardest worker in practice, but when the lights come on, he shined.

Western Conference executive 2: People want to compare him to (Jordan) Clarkson today. You need to compare Bouknight to Clarkson when he was a sophomore at Missouri. Apples to apples. You don’t compare Mitchell to Russell Westbrook the MVP; you compare him to where Russell Westbrook was at UCLA. Similar size. Bouknight’s got a better handle. I never thought Clarkson was great with the ball. But Bouknight’s a tough kid. I like him. I don’t think he’s a great shooter yet. Good midrange, can handle the pick-and-roll. I just wish he shot it a little better. But, again, he’s 20.

College head coach 2 (his team played UConn last year): Streaky. He can shoot, can put it on the floor. He just needs to become a more consistent shooter. All that will fall into place. He can put it on the floor. He kicked our ass. First game he struggled; next game he went off on us. But he’s got to improve on his game. Don’t think “I’ve made it.” Continue to work on his handle. Like everybody in college, it’s a different level when you get to (the NBA). But I like him.

The case for Mitchell

College assistant coach 1 (his team played Baylor last season): We had to pick our poison with him. He’s obviously solid defensively. He has that mentality that he wants to guard. Physically, he has the ability to be able to guard. He can body you up. He moves his feet really well, both ways. On the offensive end we felt that we would give him the jump shot more than let him get to the basket, but then again, you’ve got to be able to at least touch him, because he’s a capable jump shooter. But he’s really good at finishing going to the basket. He sees the floor well. He has a point guard mentality; I don’t think he’s a shoot-it-first guard. He knows when to take his shots. Where (Jared) Butler is more smooth and herky-jerky on the offensive end, Mitchell will kind of like go on and explode by you and put his shoulders on you. He’s not going to play with the ball as much as Butler does. Mitchell will take his shot when it’s given to him. … Physically, he can guard (shooting guards).

College head coach 3 (his team also played Baylor): He disrupted us. His ability to sit down in a stance and move his feet laterally, with pressure. Most guys back up because they’re afraid you’re going to blow by. He’s really good on catch-and-shoot 3s. He puts the fear of God into you defensively. He’s like Muggsy (Bogues) on the ball. Davion Mitchell is right there among the best defenders I’ve ever coached against. Whatever team gets him, you’re as good as you are at the point of attack. He’s like a (Chris Paul), or a (Kyle) Lowry. … Plus he’s got a mean streak to him. He’s got an edge to him. When I was watching their tape, I stopped watching Baylor and started watching him. His measurables are irrelevant. Try measuring between his ears and inside his chest.

Eastern Conference executive 4: I think people see similarities with Donovan Mitchell. … I think this kid is a better point guard than Donovan was, and he might be a better pressure defender than Donovan was. He’s got ‘bulldog’ in him. Especially this year, he’s got extreme confidence in his ability to play both ends of the court. He’s going to get a bump because of the Donovan Mitchell (comparison). Donovan surpassed whatever we thought of him. I don’t know if Davion can get to that level. But he’s going to be a solid pro for many, many years. And, he’s got leadership abilities … I think this kid’s going to be able to step in and get his voice right away.

The case for Moody

Eastern Conference executive 4: I see him as a two, as a wing. He can play two, probably play some three. Moody is probably a much better defender (than Bouknight) because of the system he’s coming out of at Arkansas. (Coach Eric Musselman) makes those guys play defense, whereas I’m not sure they pressured (Bouknight) at Connecticut to play defense. They needed him to score. (Bouknight) shot it extremely well before he got hurt.

The case for Johnson

Western Conference executive 3: At the beginning of the year, it could have been close (between Johnson and his Tennessee teammate, Jaden Springer). But Keon, No. 1, athletically, is a freak. Two, not saying that Jaden isn’t, but Keon could be the best competitor in this draft class. His compete level is, by far, maybe the best in the draft. You could possibly throw in Mitchell a little bit. But this kid, he goes at a different pace and speed in a game, both offensively and defensively, that separates him. I would say today, Jaden is a more skilled basketball player — meaning handle, passing, shooting. But in the long run, I think Keon, with his work ethic, that’s what you’re seeing.

If he’s a worker, which it seems like he is, he’s going to get better in those areas. And he already will have an athletic component and a motor. … he’s like an assassin. He has stuff that now, in our game, is so important. Guys don’t play hard every night. When I started in this business, we never discussed if a guy played hard. … Now, today, I’d say the last five, seven years, playing hard has become part of our scouting. Does he play hard enough? That’s ridiculous. This kid, he plays really, really hard all the time. And at Tennessee, you know they’ve been coached hard. Playing hard is an important staple in their program.


Great post, cheers for sharing it

The section on Johnson is kind of eye popping. Can't teach that energy
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Post#1029 » by ChuckDurn » Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:16 am

killmongrel wrote:
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killmongrel wrote:After looking at a few of the other teams' boards on other sites, the name I hear the most when it comes to who they want to draft after the top 6 is either Moody or Bouknight. Neither of those two are making it to 7. So really, if the Warriors are not enamored with either, they can probably get some offers to see who is desperate enough to jump up the draft for them.

Fans on team boards have zero reliability with respect to what their front offices will do.

There’s no way both Moody and Bouknight are gone in the top-6. Maybe one of them, but not both, considering that it would mean that they jumped over 2 of Suggs, Barnes, and Kuminga. (Hopefully everybody agrees that Cade, Mobley, and Green are locks to be there.)

If both Moody and Bouknight are off the board by 7, we should thank our lucky stars, and take either Suggs or Barnes as a steal.


My bad, I didn't mean the top 6. I mean I could see them going 7/8. Other fans don't seem all that enamored by the other guys. But you're right, fans are not a good metric to judge how a team's FO is going to pick.

Yeah, partly “my bad”. I saw the “neither of these are making it to 7” and didn’t see the “after the top 6” which preceded it.
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Post#1030 » by GQ Hot Dog » Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:16 am

Keon Johnson working out for us July 16th. I would be pretty happy with Johnson at #7 and Ziaire Williams at #14.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-rumors-keon-johnson-plans-work-out-warriors-july-16
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Post#1031 » by whatisacenter » Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:38 am

GQ Hot Dog wrote:Keon Johnson working out for us July 16th. I would be pretty happy with Johnson at #7 and Ziaire Williams at #14.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-rumors-keon-johnson-plans-work-out-warriors-july-16


If I knew that Ziaire's frame would allow him to add enough strength I would be all over him. As it is he is worthy of a look at 14.
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Post#1032 » by killmongrel » Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:42 am

So it's been asked, but would you guys trade the 14th pick for say the Knicks 19th and 21st to draft two guys later in the draft like Duarte and Murphy or is that just way too many rookies?
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Post#1033 » by Scoots1994 » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:12 am

Tape doesn't really show intensity in approach to the game. That, to me, more than the athleticism explains why Keon is so high on so many lists.

I like Mitchell most of those 4, but really all of them could work for the Warriors and we're not going to get any real data on them until they are pros.

In order for me for the Warriors:
1 Any of the top 6 who drop
2 Mitchell
3 Moody
4 Johnson (and close to Moody)
5 Bouknight (not at all sold on what is between his ears)

From the games I saw for Tennessee my favorite play by Keon was one where he set up to take a charge, the man coming at him went around him on the way up to shoot and he was quick and explosive enough (mentally and physically) to turn, jump, and block the shot. I've never seen that before. He's also pretty good close to the basket on non-dunks. His decision making is a little behind with the ball and he rushes too much and tries to do more than he can really. And his 3 is slow and questionable and he looks like he's measuring it which may just be practice.

If you are going for potential at 7 there isn't much more potential than Keon, but there isn't really more risk than him either.
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Post#1034 » by azwfan » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:38 am

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Why do they think they can do better most likely because a lot of people can. There just isn’t a lot of opportunity out there. You really think that the nba employs the 30 best gms out of 8 billion people in the world. That’s statistically improbable.

Probably not. But the ones who are the better NBA GMs? They're already working high level sports management in some fashion. I'd estimate 0.00% of them are on basketball forums and watching YouTube clips. They're busying working their ass off.

Are others capable? Probably? I could probably become a doctor. But alas I didn't go to medical school, and even if I did, I'm not willing to sacrifice the time, money, and work my ass off to become one. So I do what I do. What I don't do is read WebMD and think I know better than my physician... let alone a physician working in the most competitive environments with constant public pressure.

But if you think you, or any of us other clowns could do better, you can continue to think that.

Lmao I’m friends with plenty of doctors and I argue with them about medical things all the time even though I’m not in the medical field. Doctors aren’t as smart as you think they are. They are fallible.

I think you are confusing making 1 point or 1 argument with being able to do their job. It takes hard work no matter how smart you are or think you are.
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Post#1035 » by azwfan » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:50 am

DevinVassell wrote:https://theathletic.com/2694200/2021/07/08/nba-draft-confidential-coaches-execs-discuss-cade-cunningham-debate-jalen-green-vs-jalen-suggs-sleepers/

Who’s the Fourth Supreme?
We know Cunningham, Suggs and Green will be the top guards taken, but who will go next amongst the guards? Multiple mocks have multiple guys in the late lottery, but four seem to be jockeying with one another: Connecticut sophomore James Bouknight, Baylor junior Davion Mitchell, Arkansas freshman swingman Moses Moody and Tennessee freshman Keon Johnson — who obliterated the previous draft combine vertical leap record two weeks ago with an astonishing 48-inch jump. This might be the order they go in; at the least, it’s hard to see either Bouknight or Mitchell lasting into the teens.

The case for Bouknight

Eastern Conference executive 3: He shot the piss out the ball in workouts. I don’t know if he’s the hardest worker in practice, but when the lights come on, he shined.

Western Conference executive 2: People want to compare him to (Jordan) Clarkson today. You need to compare Bouknight to Clarkson when he was a sophomore at Missouri. Apples to apples. You don’t compare Mitchell to Russell Westbrook the MVP; you compare him to where Russell Westbrook was at UCLA. Similar size. Bouknight’s got a better handle. I never thought Clarkson was great with the ball. But Bouknight’s a tough kid. I like him. I don’t think he’s a great shooter yet. Good midrange, can handle the pick-and-roll. I just wish he shot it a little better. But, again, he’s 20.

College head coach 2 (his team played UConn last year): Streaky. He can shoot, can put it on the floor. He just needs to become a more consistent shooter. All that will fall into place. He can put it on the floor. He kicked our ass. First game he struggled; next game he went off on us. But he’s got to improve on his game. Don’t think “I’ve made it.” Continue to work on his handle. Like everybody in college, it’s a different level when you get to (the NBA). But I like him.

The case for Mitchell

College assistant coach 1 (his team played Baylor last season): We had to pick our poison with him. He’s obviously solid defensively. He has that mentality that he wants to guard. Physically, he has the ability to be able to guard. He can body you up. He moves his feet really well, both ways. On the offensive end we felt that we would give him the jump shot more than let him get to the basket, but then again, you’ve got to be able to at least touch him, because he’s a capable jump shooter. But he’s really good at finishing going to the basket. He sees the floor well. He has a point guard mentality; I don’t think he’s a shoot-it-first guard. He knows when to take his shots. Where (Jared) Butler is more smooth and herky-jerky on the offensive end, Mitchell will kind of like go on and explode by you and put his shoulders on you. He’s not going to play with the ball as much as Butler does. Mitchell will take his shot when it’s given to him. … Physically, he can guard (shooting guards).

College head coach 3 (his team also played Baylor): He disrupted us. His ability to sit down in a stance and move his feet laterally, with pressure. Most guys back up because they’re afraid you’re going to blow by. He’s really good on catch-and-shoot 3s. He puts the fear of God into you defensively. He’s like Muggsy (Bogues) on the ball. Davion Mitchell is right there among the best defenders I’ve ever coached against. Whatever team gets him, you’re as good as you are at the point of attack. He’s like a (Chris Paul), or a (Kyle) Lowry. … Plus he’s got a mean streak to him. He’s got an edge to him. When I was watching their tape, I stopped watching Baylor and started watching him. His measurables are irrelevant. Try measuring between his ears and inside his chest.

Eastern Conference executive 4: I think people see similarities with Donovan Mitchell. … I think this kid is a better point guard than Donovan was, and he might be a better pressure defender than Donovan was. He’s got ‘bulldog’ in him. Especially this year, he’s got extreme confidence in his ability to play both ends of the court. He’s going to get a bump because of the Donovan Mitchell (comparison). Donovan surpassed whatever we thought of him. I don’t know if Davion can get to that level. But he’s going to be a solid pro for many, many years. And, he’s got leadership abilities … I think this kid’s going to be able to step in and get his voice right away.

The case for Moody

Eastern Conference executive 4: I see him as a two, as a wing. He can play two, probably play some three. Moody is probably a much better defender (than Bouknight) because of the system he’s coming out of at Arkansas. (Coach Eric Musselman) makes those guys play defense, whereas I’m not sure they pressured (Bouknight) at Connecticut to play defense. They needed him to score. (Bouknight) shot it extremely well before he got hurt.

The case for Johnson

Western Conference executive 3: At the beginning of the year, it could have been close (between Johnson and his Tennessee teammate, Jaden Springer). But Keon, No. 1, athletically, is a freak. Two, not saying that Jaden isn’t, but Keon could be the best competitor in this draft class. His compete level is, by far, maybe the best in the draft. You could possibly throw in Mitchell a little bit. But this kid, he goes at a different pace and speed in a game, both offensively and defensively, that separates him. I would say today, Jaden is a more skilled basketball player — meaning handle, passing, shooting. But in the long run, I think Keon, with his work ethic, that’s what you’re seeing.

If he’s a worker, which it seems like he is, he’s going to get better in those areas. And he already will have an athletic component and a motor. … he’s like an assassin. He has stuff that now, in our game, is so important. Guys don’t play hard every night. When I started in this business, we never discussed if a guy played hard. … Now, today, I’d say the last five, seven years, playing hard has become part of our scouting. Does he play hard enough? That’s ridiculous. This kid, he plays really, really hard all the time. And at Tennessee, you know they’ve been coached hard. Playing hard is an important staple in their program.

Great, now I need to take a deeper look at Keon. I saw supreme athleticism but raw af. Had no idea he was the competitor he is made out to be above.

Nice write up, but is it just me or is the case for Moody above, not much of a case?
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Post#1036 » by GQ Hot Dog » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:59 am

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GQ Hot Dog wrote:Keon Johnson working out for us July 16th. I would be pretty happy with Johnson at #7 and Ziaire Williams at #14.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-rumors-keon-johnson-plans-work-out-warriors-july-16


If I knew that Ziaire's frame would allow him to add enough strength I would be all over him. As it is he is worthy of a look at 14.


There are comparisons being made between Ziaire and MPJ but I don't think it's accurate. First of all, MPJ is proving to be a 3-4 sort of player while Ziaire looks like an unusually tall 2-3 sort of player to me. The most exciting thing for me about Ziaire is his lateral quickness which is what you'd expect to see from a player 6 inches shorter. MPJ otoh, is known for his mediocre lateral quickness.

Which is why I'm not so worried about Ziaire's ability to add strength. His role at the next level is going to be guarding perimeter players and keeping them from getting downhill going to the bucket which is exactly where MPJ suffers. Regardless of how long it takes Ziaire to fill out, he's going to be able to credibly guard the quicker players from day one. Where he'll be a liability is if he's told to guard the big bodied forwards like Lebron or Kawhi.
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Post#1037 » by ChuckDurn » Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:28 am

killmongrel wrote:So it's been asked, but would you guys trade the 14th pick for say the Knicks 19th and 21st to draft two guys later in the draft like Duarte and Murphy or is that just way too many rookies?

I wouldn’t do it now, but would definitely consider it when we were on the clock to make the pick at 14. It would really depend on who we took at 7, and who’s remaining at 14. If one of the guys I felt really strongly about (i.e. thought was a better prospect who had dropped) was still there, I’d probably hold onto 14 and take that guy. But if a couple of guys I wasn’t particularly interested in had jumped up, and more of the guys I really liked were still left, I’d definitely consider making that deal.
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Post#1038 » by azwfan » Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:30 am

killmongrel wrote:So it's been asked, but would you guys trade the 14th pick for say the Knicks 19th and 21st to draft two guys later in the draft like Duarte and Murphy or is that just way too many rookies?

Too many for me unless someone is going to be in Europe or theres someone we take in the 2nd rd on a 2-way.

I’d rather get the protected Dallas 2023 1st + 19 or 21.

At least that way we have some sort of future asset to use to either trade up next year or more importantly make a trade deadline move to get targeted help after we see where our team is at.
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Post#1040 » by Badly Browned » Sun Jul 11, 2021 9:46 am

killmongrel wrote:So it's been asked, but would you guys trade the 14th pick for say the Knicks 19th and 21st to draft two guys later in the draft like Duarte and Murphy or is that just way too many rookies?


I think any trade back the Warriors do will be for future picks.

Try to get back a pick to make up for the 1st rounder lost in the Iguodala salary dump (2024 1st rounder top 4 protected to Grizzlies).
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