Joel Embiid

[eyeatoma]

Bottom line is Sixers need a secondary iso scorer. And I’m talking elite secondary wing iso scorer. Harris is good this season just not a the best secondary option. Embiid does wear down especially in the closing minutes. He’s been better this season. But still needs help.

Pretty much my sentiment. Except I think we need someone who can make Embiid slide into 1B on offense.

The issue why Embiid wear down is because of physical and its almost impossible to anchor both offense and defense.

Its non negotiable that Embiid has to be injury free and peak stamina in the playoffs, where he has to step out, switch and close out on defense because all teams will be playing a lot more pick and roll next year if you look at the numbers the frequency of pick and rolls has increased at an historic rate.

Not sure what is going on with you, but you are just seem to be piggy backing on every troll we've ever had on the board the last few months, and trying to logic your way into it...

[76ciology]

Bottom line is Sixers need a secondary iso scorer. And I’m talking elite secondary wing iso scorer. Harris is good this season just not a the best secondary option. Embiid does wear down especially in the closing minutes. He’s been better this season. But still needs help.

Pretty much my sentiment. Except I think we need someone who can make Embiid slide into 1B on offense.

The issue why Embiid wear down is because of physical and its almost impossible to anchor both offense and defense.

Its non negotiable that Embiid has to be injury free and peak stamina in the playoffs, where he has to step out, switch and close out on defense because all teams will be playing a lot more pick and roll next year if you look at the numbers the frequency of pick and rolls has increased at an historic rate.

Not sure what is going on with you, but you are just seem to be piggy backing on every troll we've ever had on the board the last few months, and trying to logic your way into it...

Actually its the other way around. They’re piggy backing to my sentiment.

And its nice to see exchanging of different views in a forum. This is how opinions gets stress tested.

I dont mind being wrong and im open to all possibilities. What you dont want is people trying to prove they’re always right and dont want to discuss other views that differs from their own.

I mean look at the Wolves board. All they talk about is trading Rubio and Beasley for Ben. Do you think that’s realistic? If you tell them it’s not fair value. They’ll say you’re a troll.

Being a fan makes you a victim to all kinds of bias. Im not ashamed to admit I was also a victim of this with my pro okafor stance and ive learned my lesson. And you can also check the Wiggins thread on the Wolves board back then, it’s like a discussion of the titanic before it sank.

Remember how people would say that Biid and Ben is not a problem? “No, Ben is not the guy Jimmy is referring to someone who is just for the fortune and fame” “no, ben is not the guy we aren’t running the PnR” We could have known earlier about this problem if we weren’t so close minded and are open to other people’s opinion.

That’s what close minded discussions will do. Discussions is supposed to be stressful. And if you want somebody to just agrees with you, a forum is the place you least need to visit

[yuuby]

A lot of people on this forum are Embiid stans more than they are Sixers fans.

I want what is best for the future of the 76ers. Why is it considered ludicrous that it is not in the best interest of the long term future of the franchise to not only supermax a heavy big man with two bad knees (nevermind the litany of other injuries) but also trade more lightly protected picks in the future to build around said big man.

Most people know deep down inside that paying him the supermax for his age 30-33 seasons will result in a lot of pain. I am merely suggesting an alternative to being handcuffed by a non-top 10 player in the league.

[phillynative]

A lot of people on this forum are Embiid stans more than they are Sixers fans.

I want what is best for the future of the 76ers. Why is it considered ludicrous that it is not in the best interest of the long term future of the franchise to not only supermax a heavy big man with two bad knees (nevermind the litany of other injuries) but also trade more lightly protected picks in the future to build around said big man.

Most people know deep down inside that paying him the supermax for his age 30-33 seasons will result in a lot of pain. I am merely suggesting an alternative to being handcuffed by a non-top 10 player in the league.

Just because most posters arent buying what your selling doesnt makes them stans. You have come off as a complete hater as everything you have posted on Embiid have been nothing but flaws and negatives, while also discrediting what he has done.. You feel like Embiid needs to be traded before the supermax because of how the NBA is being played and his injuries thats fine. Trying to have a revolt of some sorts against a board you feel is full of Embiid"stans" while not even taking in to consideration anyone elses point of view is trolling.

You clearly are ready to rebuild if your trading Embiid and most fans want to give the franchise player(most talented player we have had since AI) what he has needed all along a PG/Peremiter threat before doing so.

[yuuby]

Just because most posters arent buying what your selling doesnt makes them stans. You have come off as a complete hater as everything you have posted on Embiid have been nothing but flaws and negatives, while also discrediting what he has done.. You feel like Embiid needs to be traded before the supermax because of how the NBA is being played and his injuries thats fine. Trying to have a revolt of some sorts against a board you feel is full of Embiid"stans" while not even taking in to consideration anyone elses point of view is trolling.

You clearly are ready to rebuild if your trading Embiid and most fans want to give the franchise player(most talented player we have had since AI) what he has needed all along a PG/Peremiter threat before doing so.

We had a player better than him 2 years ago when the games actually mattered. Brett Brown just refused to hand him the ball and let his boy Ben Simmons have all the ball handling duties.

The only time we ever looked like a real contender in the 4 years we made the playoffs was when we had the ball in Jimmys hands. Every other time we were a joke.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2019-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-76ers-vs-raptors.html

37% from the field is embarassing for a big man especially when you are being guarded by a 34 year old for the whole series.

[Tomjas]

Just because most posters arent buying what your selling doesnt makes them stans. You have come off as a complete hater as everything you have posted on Embiid have been nothing but flaws and negatives, while also discrediting what he has done.. You feel like Embiid needs to be traded before the supermax because of how the NBA is being played and his injuries thats fine. Trying to have a revolt of some sorts against a board you feel is full of Embiid"stans" while not even taking in to consideration anyone elses point of view is trolling.

You clearly are ready to rebuild if your trading Embiid and most fans want to give the franchise player(most talented player we have had since AI) what he has needed all along a PG/Peremiter threat before doing so.

We had a player better than him 2 years ago when the games actually mattered. Brett Brown just refused to hand him the ball and let his boy Ben Simmons have all the ball handling duties.

The only time we ever looked like a real contender in the 4 years we made the playoffs was when we had the ball in Jimmys hands. Every other time we were a joke.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2019-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-76ers-vs-raptors.html

37% from the field is embarassing for a big man especially when you are being guarded by a 34 year old for the whole series.

Jimmy was ordinary when playing pg for us

[kuclas]

Just because most posters arent buying what your selling doesnt makes them stans. You have come off as a complete hater as everything you have posted on Embiid have been nothing but flaws and negatives, while also discrediting what he has done.. You feel like Embiid needs to be traded before the supermax because of how the NBA is being played and his injuries thats fine. Trying to have a revolt of some sorts against a board you feel is full of Embiid"stans" while not even taking in to consideration anyone elses point of view is trolling.

You clearly are ready to rebuild if your trading Embiid and most fans want to give the franchise player(most talented player we have had since AI) what he has needed all along a PG/Peremiter threat before doing so.

We had a player better than him 2 years ago when the games actually mattered. Brett Brown just refused to hand him the ball and let his boy Ben Simmons have all the ball handling duties.

The only time we ever looked like a real contender in the 4 years we made the playoffs was when we had the ball in Jimmys hands. Every other time we were a joke.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2019-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-76ers-vs-raptors.html

37% from the field is embarassing for a big man especially when you are being guarded by a 34 year old for the whole series.

Embiid played horrible offensively during raptors series. But guess you didn’t watch the game. Yes. A lot of it was Embiid immaturely jacking up shots and being frustrated. But watch raptors defense. Guess who is the cheat double teamer on Embiid? Anyone guarding Simmons. Cheats in on Embiid once he gets within 5-6 feet of the basket. This creates a ton of pressure on Embiid. Any big. Gasol single team Embiid 15 feet out. The min Embiid tries to get the ball closer than 5-6 feet. He gets double team. It’s not like he can kick it back out to Simmons. Shot clock is going down to 5 seconds by now.

We are literally playing 4 on 5 on offense with Simmons on the floor.

Now on the flip side. Look at Embiid plus minus. He was a defensive force against raptors. They simply could not attack the paint when he was on the floor. His plus minus was better than Leonard that series. The minute Embiid left the floor for 3 minutes in game 7. Sixers were out scored 12 points that game

Basketball is a two way sport.

Watch the games. Watch how much Ben Simmons hurts Embiid on offense in half court.

Embiid will wear down. That’s how he got ball stolen late in game 7 hawks. That’s on Embiid. But he shouldn’t be in that position having to start the offense 15 feet from the basket because they can’t even put their starting point guard in the game for fear he can’t make a free throw.

[Stanford]

A lot of people on this forum are Embiid stans more than they are Sixers fans.

You say this as if there's something wrong with it.

Hey, yuuby, all fandom is dumb. Including and especially yours.

[Black Mage]

A lot of people on this forum are Embiid stans more than they are Sixers fans.

I want what is best for the future of the 76ers. Why is it considered ludicrous that it is not in the best interest of the long term future of the franchise to not only supermax a heavy big man with two bad knees (nevermind the litany of other injuries) but also trade more lightly protected picks in the future to build around said big man.

Most people know deep down inside that paying him the supermax for his age 30-33 seasons will result in a lot of pain. I am merely suggesting an alternative to being handcuffed by a non-top 10 player in the league.

Folks, it's time to just ignore this clown. He's clearly only hear to troll. Runner up in MVP and not Top-10 player in the league, right got it. Done with you and your foolishness.

[Sixerscan]

Pretty much my sentiment. Except I think we need someone who can make Embiid slide into 1B on offense.

The issue why Embiid wear down is because of physical and its almost impossible to anchor both offense and defense.

Its non negotiable that Embiid has to be injury free and peak stamina in the playoffs, where he has to step out, switch and close out on defense because all teams will be playing a lot more pick and roll next year if you look at the numbers the frequency of pick and rolls has increased at an historic rate.

Not sure what is going on with you, but you are just seem to be piggy backing on every troll we've ever had on the board the last few months, and trying to logic your way into it...

Actually its the other way around. They’re piggy backing to my sentiment.

And its nice to see exchanging of different views in a forum. This is how opinions gets stress tested.

I dont mind being wrong and im open to all possibilities. What you dont want is people trying to prove they’re always right and dont want to discuss other views that differs from their own.

I mean look at the Wolves board. All they talk about is trading Rubio and Beasley for Ben. Do you think that’s realistic? If you tell them it’s not fair value. They’ll say you’re a troll.

Being a fan makes you a victim to all kinds of bias. Im not ashamed to admit I was also a victim of this with my pro okafor stance and ive learned my lesson. And you can also check the Wiggins thread on the Wolves board back then, it’s like a discussion of the titanic before it sank.

Remember how people would say that Biid and Ben is not a problem? “No, Ben is not the guy Jimmy is referring to someone who is just for the fortune and fame” “no, ben is not the guy we aren’t running the PnR” We could have known earlier about this problem if we weren’t so close minded and are open to other people’s opinion.

That’s what close minded discussions will do. Discussions is supposed to be stressful. And if you want somebody to just agrees with you, a forum is the place you least need to visit

Either way, the fact that the people that agree with you tend to be the trolls should tell you something.

What you are seeing here isn't debate it's certain people just repeating themselves over and over. I don't get how some people engage in this sort of stuff, it's like banging heads against a wall.

[mjkvol]

A lot of people on this forum are Embiid stans more than they are Sixers fans.

I want what is best for the future of the 76ers. Why is it considered ludicrous that it is not in the best interest of the long term future of the franchise to not only supermax a heavy big man with two bad knees (nevermind the litany of other injuries) but also trade more lightly protected picks in the future to build around said big man.

Most people know deep down inside that paying him the supermax for his age 30-33 seasons will result in a lot of pain. I am merely suggesting an alternative to being handcuffed by a non-top 10 player in the league.

Why is anyone who disagrees with your monolithic viewpoint automatically an "Embiid stan"? This is what makes you sound more like a troll than the 'objective' Sixer fan you claim to be.

You continue to use references like "non-top 10 player" and focus only on the negatives of a player that has carried the franchise on his back from lottery to playoff team with an ill fitting roster where he has been the lone offensive option in all but one season.

If someone called tomorrow offering Luka or Kawhi, okay, you listen. But then you ask how likely it is that those players will be loyal enough to the city and organization to commit for the duration and through the ups and downs as Embiid has done. The answer is highly unlikely, and those deals are uber rare anyway.

Trading Embiid, or trading any elite player, has the strong likelihood of being disastrous in every way. Trading him for a package of youth and picks means you are rebuilding, with no certainty of getting back to this position anytime soon, if at all. The smart play is to surround him with a roster that will maximize his strengths while minimizing the ridiculous load he has had to carry. The fact that we finally have a GM who understands this gives me confidence that it can and will happen.

[phillynative]

Just because most posters arent buying what your selling doesnt makes them stans. You have come off as a complete hater as everything you have posted on Embiid have been nothing but flaws and negatives, while also discrediting what he has done.. You feel like Embiid needs to be traded before the supermax because of how the NBA is being played and his injuries thats fine. Trying to have a revolt of some sorts against a board you feel is full of Embiid"stans" while not even taking in to consideration anyone elses point of view is trolling.

You clearly are ready to rebuild if your trading Embiid and most fans want to give the franchise player(most talented player we have had since AI) what he has needed all along a PG/Peremiter threat before doing so.

We had a player better than him 2 years ago when the games actually mattered. Brett Brown just refused to hand him the ball and let his boy Ben Simmons have all the ball handling duties.

The only time we ever looked like a real contender in the 4 years we made the playoffs was when we had the ball in Jimmys hands. Every other time we were a joke.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2019-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-76ers-vs-raptors.html

37% from the field is embarassing for a big man especially when you are being guarded by a 34 year old for the whole series.

Im pretty sure Jimmy would tell you Embiid is more talented than him with a straight face. And yes 37% is pretty bad for a center , he was not only being guarded by a premier post defender(who has defending grown men in the post since a kid) , trapped and doubled. It was learning experience for him in which he has grown from. Lets not forget he didnt have much spacing in that series either other than a handoff play from reddick.

Its funny you say we havent looked like a real contender untill jimmy butler had the ball in his hands. Jimmy is a shot creator with playmaking ability. Isnt that what we have been saying the Sixers and Embiid needed all along or are things just not being computed in your head.

[phillynative]

Just because most posters arent buying what your selling doesnt makes them stans. You have come off as a complete hater as everything you have posted on Embiid have been nothing but flaws and negatives, while also discrediting what he has done.. You feel like Embiid needs to be traded before the supermax because of how the NBA is being played and his injuries thats fine. Trying to have a revolt of some sorts against a board you feel is full of Embiid"stans" while not even taking in to consideration anyone elses point of view is trolling.

You clearly are ready to rebuild if your trading Embiid and most fans want to give the franchise player(most talented player we have had since AI) what he has needed all along a PG/Peremiter threat before doing so.

We had a player better than him 2 years ago when the games actually mattered. Brett Brown just refused to hand him the ball and let his boy Ben Simmons have all the ball handling duties.

The only time we ever looked like a real contender in the 4 years we made the playoffs was when we had the ball in Jimmys hands. Every other time we were a joke.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2019-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-76ers-vs-raptors.html

37% from the field is embarassing for a big man especially when you are being guarded by a 34 year old for the whole series.

Embiid played horrible offensively during raptors series. But guess you didn’t watch the game. Yes. A lot of it was Embiid immaturely jacking up shots and being frustrated. But watch raptors defense. Guess who is the cheat double teamer on Embiid? Anyone guarding Simmons. Cheats in on Embiid once he gets within 5-6 feet of the basket. This creates a ton of pressure on Embiid. Any big. Gasol single team Embiid 15 feet out. The min Embiid tries to get the ball closer than 5-6 feet. He gets double team. It’s not like he can kick it back out to Simmons. Shot clock is going down to 5 seconds by now.

We are literally playing 4 on 5 on offense with Simmons on the floor.

Now on the flip side. Look at Embiid plus minus. He was a defensive force against raptors. They simply could not attack the paint when he was on the floor. His plus minus was better than Leonard that series. The minute Embiid left the floor for 3 minutes in game 7. Sixers were out scored 12 points that game

Basketball is a two way sport.

Watch the games. Watch how much Ben Simmons hurts Embiid on offense in half court.

Embiid will wear down. That’s how he got ball stolen late in game 7 hawks. That’s on Embiid. But he shouldn’t be in that position having to start the offense 15 feet from the basket because they can’t even put their starting point guard in the game for fear he can’t make a free throw.

Ofcourse he didnt see that part because it doesnt fit his narrative.

[Mik317]

there is no debate to be had.

Its just agree with me or you are a stan lol.

[yuuby]

A top 10 player in the NBA when it matters is able to create his own offense and create offense for others without needing someone to set him up like Embiid does.

These 9 players are offensive engines who can create for themselves and create for others. I would easily take all 9 over Embiid no question.

Lebron
KD
Harden
Giannis
Jokic
Curry
Luka
Lillard
Kawhi

The last guy who is inarguable is Anthony Davis. The most versatile defender in the league who is not a liability in any defensive coverage (Embiid is a liability in pnr against any elite off the dribble shooter as he has lead feet so he cant switch). AD is also the epitome of a modern big man as he has everything in his offensive arsenal other than great passing but he is a decent one. He also never turns the ball over and has the highest PER in playoff history as he is possibly the GOAT off ball big man due to the value he adds in pnr as a lob threat, and pop threat.

Besides people finish high in MVP even though most know they arent a top 5 player.

Jokic won the MVP and I would take at least 5 players over him.

Paul George was 3rd in MVP two years ago and he was barely top 10 if even that in 2019.

Noah was 4th in MVP in 2014 and no one thought he was even a top 20 player.

Rose won in 2011 even though he wasnt a top 5 player when it mattered.

People have flukey hot seasons all the time where their team record and stats get inflated for some circumstance.

[Kobblehead]

"top whatever" discussions always fall flat to me. Arbitrary and subjective.

[76ciology]

Well, I think Embiid is definitely one of the top players in the league.

It’s just that it’s hard (not impossible) to win with his style of play as your 1A and extra hard given our wiggle room for improvement and how the roster is set-up.

And lastly, the right talent is more important than the amount of talent.

[Kobblehead]

I think our struggles to win are 100% because of our lack of creators, mutually exclusive to what style Embiid plays offensively.

Embiid can do the same exact stuff he does right now (the good and the bad) and we have Donovan Mitchell, Shai Alexander, Brandon Ingram, or DeAaron Fox and there would be no issues, IMO.

[Bum Adebayo]

You can't win with Ban Simmons in your team, how is this Embiid's fault? wait until Embiid has an elite shot creator to judge him.
I am convinced without Bratt Brown and Ban Simmons, and with an elite shot creator, this team can win the championship, you don't need anything more.

[76ciology]

I think our struggles to win are 100% because of our lack of creators, mutually exclusive to what style Embiid plays offensively.

Embiid can do the same exact stuff he does right now (the good and the bad) and we have Donovan Mitchell, Shai Alexander, Brandon Ingram, or DeAaron Fox and there would be no issues, IMO.

Yes, that’s why in my last post, I referred to “his style as 1A”

Whereas when you have a Mitchell, SGA, or the other guys you mentioned, you can expect the offense to be run primarily with those guys and play the 1A role and dump the ball to embiid when offense stalls.

When we get an elite shot creator, Biid has to slide to 1B.

It’s like what the Spurs have run before.

You can’t primarily run the offense with Embiid then kick it out to the guys you mentioned when offense stalls.

This is also one of my points where I said Blazers would have run it better with LMA, if Blazers had let Dame and CJ run the offense and let LMA be their outlet rather than running the offense primarily with LMA.

I hope you get what I mean.

The reason why I specifically mentioned his style and 1A is let’s say you have Doncic or Trae as 1A, you dont necessarily need someone as good as the guy you mentioned. Because the multitudes of options that the PnR can generate is almost always (not saying its 100% always) there.