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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1581 » by Rastas » Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:41 am

PhillyNj wrote:
Rastas wrote:Whoever wants Ben may also angle to include Thybulle also - I bet Pop wishes he had a Thybulle for FIBA ball after today's showing.

Thybulle stays if Simmons is traded. Part of the problem is they can’t play together. Apart both of them are better.


That depends on Thybulle's improvement on his 3 ball, and what GM is not interested in getting both and transforming their team into a top 3 defence.
Of course they would want to have already 3 decent shooting floor spacers on the team.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1582 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:57 am

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Mik317 wrote:no i get it from MNs POV.

Simmons is like the perfect fit for them.

I don't get why the Pels would move off of Ingram or the Kings move off of Fox to facilitate it ...or honestly at all. If they are moving those guys, they probably could find better deals no? Much better than The Wolves scrap for example.

(I also think Ingram is just skinny Tobias as the Pels looked better when SVG gave the Ball to Zion)


See, to me, I see Ingram as potentially another Paul George. He's a player that can run an offense the same way PG can. Yes he's similar in some ways to Tobias, but man! That's one heck of a big three with him and Jo. It also allows Maxey to become a bigger part of our offense. Ingram is at the top of my wishlist if we move Ben.

Basically. Ingram is basically Paul George without the defense. Elite level creator for his size that can be a true #1 perimeter option. Pairing Ingram with Embiid would be a nightmare for the rest of the NBA.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1583 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:00 pm

PhillyNj wrote:
Rastas wrote:Whoever wants Ben may also angle to include Thybulle also - I bet Pop wishes he had a Thybulle for FIBA ball after today's showing.

Thybulle stays if Simmons is traded. Part of the problem is they can’t play together. Apart both of them are better.

Defense-only players have little value. Thybulle showed that this postseason. In order for Thybulle to be worth keeping, he has to either be able to shoot threes at volume or put the ball on the floor. He does neither. Literally no reason to keep him.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1584 » by Black Mage » Sun Jul 11, 2021 1:25 pm

Olabikkel wrote:We should get as much as a return as possible for ben Simmons. Lets say brogdan, tj Warren and pick(s)
And then flip these assets (or some of them)+ some more if Needed (in best case milton/reed/joe, pick) for beal, sga or lavine. Pick swap later on could be included as well

For beal give up brogdan, Warren, picks ind, future 1rnd pick phi (prob 2)
For sga give up brogdan, milton, reed, joe, picks ind, pick(s) phi, possibly even maxey.
For lavine (+young?): brogdan, Warren, milton, reed, pick(s) ind, possible future pick.

I dont think lillard will be traded. Beal is most experienced, but not best 3 point shooter.
Sga is young and therefore is most usefull longterm even if embiid is gone in few years (lets hope more then 3 good years left), needs max extension off course. First year bargain salary.
Lavine has to prove himself by a contender , but at least not undersized. Some extra room salary to start with, Needs extension also.

The trade i like most is probably the one for sga, especially if we can keep Warren and maxey. But if oklahoma would accept brogdan, milton, reed, joe, ind pick, 2 first round phi and pick swap we should accept in a minute.
If they somehow would want maxey, thybulle, milton, reed and picks/pick swab accept right away also of course.

(Dreaming of sga, brogdan, warren, harris and embiid starting 5, curry, green and some vets on bench). But that will be dreaming....


I love where your head and heart are, but I don't think many of those trades are realistic. I don't see Indy giving up both Brogdon and Warren plus picks. This puts the Beal trade out of reach. I haven't heard SGA being on the table and I don't see that pupu platter. The Lavine trade also falls apart because it relies on Indy pick and more picks.

Maybe Indy moves Brogdon and Warren (who I love as a target) but might take Thybulle or hopefully Milton.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1585 » by the_process » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:20 pm

76ciology wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Ben-DLO-Towns will form the greatest E-Sports trio the NBA has ever seen.


But seriously, I think that trio would be good. It will be so good that DLo would look like the weak link because of his inconsistency.

I honestly think Wolves will be willing to part ways with Edwards for Ben.


I agree. I find it hysterical to hear Minny fans talking about Edwards as their franchise player. They do really seem to think it’s inevitable Towns and Russell leave. But I think sending Simmons there makes them all happy and they stay. Everyone involved will be happy with the repeated second round outs and the e-gaming team will be legendary :lol:
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1586 » by the_process » Sun Jul 11, 2021 2:23 pm

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ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
Mik317 wrote:no i get it from MNs POV.

Simmons is like the perfect fit for them.

I don't get why the Pels would move off of Ingram or the Kings move off of Fox to facilitate it ...or honestly at all. If they are moving those guys, they probably could find better deals no? Much better than The Wolves scrap for example.

(I also think Ingram is just skinny Tobias as the Pels looked better when SVG gave the Ball to Zion)


See, to me, I see Ingram as potentially another Paul George. He's a player that can run an offense the same way PG can. Yes he's similar in some ways to Tobias, but man! That's one heck of a big three with him and Jo. It also allows Maxey to become a bigger part of our offense. Ingram is at the top of my wishlist if we move Ben.

Basically. Ingram is basically Paul George without the defense. Elite level creator for his size that can be a true #1 perimeter option. Pairing Ingram with Embiid would be a nightmare for the rest of the NBA.


I would be fine with Simmons and Thybulle for Ingram, even if it’s a slight overpay. Waive Hill and re-sign Danny Green, even though he will be booed a few times now, to a 3-30 deal. And then the Pels can deal with the Wolves on Simmons :lol:
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1587 » by Negrodamus » Sun Jul 11, 2021 4:48 pm

76ciology wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:Ben-DLO-Towns will form the greatest E-Sports trio the NBA has ever seen.


But seriously, I think that trio would be good. It will be so good that DLo would look like the weak link because of his inconsistency.

I honestly think Wolves will be willing to part ways with Edwards for Ben.


They'll definitely be good and prob a mid tier playoff team, but they won't contend at all. There will be a steep drop off in offensive production from Ben since he'll likely not be spamming assists like he does in Philly. Not sure how that'll affect him, but they'll still have an issue with drawing fouls (and, most importantly, converting FTs) when the offense is stagnant. KAT is pretty mediocre at it (.355 FTr) and DLO sucks at it (.229 FTr). Ben doesn't solve those issues.

They'd be a fun team, but I would not fear them unless DLO turns into Steph Curry this offseason.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1588 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:42 pm

I wish there was more momentum on a Simmons trade. I'm going to be real disappointed if we go into next season with Simmons on the roster.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1589 » by Sportfan73 » Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:43 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I wish there was more momentum on a Simmons trade. I'm going to be real disappointed if we go into next season with Simmons on the roster.

I would say it’s 90/10 Ben stays. Unless a star asks out or someone comes with a godfather offer I truly think he’s staying
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1590 » by PhillyNj » Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:04 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
PhillyNj wrote:
Rastas wrote:Whoever wants Ben may also angle to include Thybulle also - I bet Pop wishes he had a Thybulle for FIBA ball after today's showing.

Thybulle stays if Simmons is traded. Part of the problem is they can’t play together. Apart both of them are better.

Defense-only players have little value. Thybulle showed that this postseason. In order for Thybulle to be worth keeping, he has to either be able to shoot threes at volume or put the ball on the floor. He does neither. Literally no reason to keep him.

This logic is just wrong. Because Thybulle plays great defense he can’t improve on offense?
Yea a second year player in the league can’t improve?

Wrong! Generally the biggest improvement in any players career is from year 2 to year 3.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1591 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:22 pm

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Kobblehead wrote:
PhillyNj wrote:Thybulle stays if Simmons is traded. Part of the problem is they can’t play together. Apart both of them are better.

Defense-only players have little value. Thybulle showed that this postseason. In order for Thybulle to be worth keeping, he has to either be able to shoot threes at volume or put the ball on the floor. He does neither. Literally no reason to keep him.

This logic is just wrong. Because Thybulle plays great defense he can’t improve on offense?
Yea a second year player in the league can’t improve?

Wrong! Generally the biggest improvement in any players career is from year 2 to year 3.

Thybulle played 4 years in college with no improvement whatsoever. Thinking he's going to magically improve at the NBA level when he couldn't through 4 seasons is college is the bad logic.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1592 » by 76ciology » Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:57 pm

Lol at wolves board. They’re still exploring trade for Ben with only giving up Beasley and Rubio.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=22&p=92395892#p92395892
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1593 » by Stanford » Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:23 pm

76ciology wrote:Lol at wolves board. They’re still exploring trade for Ben with only giving up Beasley and Rubio.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=22&p=92395892#p92395892


That's just not the kind of deal Morey goes for. It's completely out of character.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1594 » by Dnt hate » Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:43 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
PhillyNj wrote:
Rastas wrote:Whoever wants Ben may also angle to include Thybulle also - I bet Pop wishes he had a Thybulle for FIBA ball after today's showing.

Thybulle stays if Simmons is traded. Part of the problem is they can’t play together. Apart both of them are better.

Defense-only players have little value. Thybulle showed that this postseason. In order for Thybulle to be worth keeping, he has to either be able to shoot threes at volume or put the ball on the floor. He does neither. Literally no reason to keep him.

Thybulle is a fan favorite who has atg defensive potential i 'm sure we won't trade him anytime soon. Especially if we're trading Simmons we keeping Thybulle and most Philly fans will agree with me
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1595 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:45 pm

Fans typically don't know any better. Thybulle getting torched by opposing teams leading scorer in the playoffs while only offering 5 ppg just isn't getting the job done. Offense is way more important than defense. It's not a 50/50/ split. It's more like 75/25.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1596 » by phifans » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:07 am

Kobblehead wrote:Fans typically don't know any better. Thybulle getting torched by opposing teams leading scorer in the playoffs while only offering 5 ppg just isn't getting the job done. Offense is way more important than defense. It's not a 50/50/ split. It's more like 75/25.


If he's that useless he won't have much value on the market either and it's no harm to keep a future dpoy candidate on rookie contract.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1597 » by Sportfan73 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:09 am

phifans wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Fans typically don't know any better. Thybulle getting torched by opposing teams leading scorer in the playoffs while only offering 5 ppg just isn't getting the job done. Offense is way more important than defense. It's not a 50/50/ split. It's more like 75/25.


If he's that useless he won't have much value on the market either and it's no harm to keep a future dpoy candidate on rookie contract.

I would use him to help Tobias into a all star caliber guard yesterday
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1598 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:12 am

phifans wrote:dpoy

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html

Do me a favor and go through that list. Give me the names of guys who play less than 30 mpg and score less than 10 ppg.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1599 » by phifans » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:21 am

Kobblehead wrote:
phifans wrote:dpoy

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html

Do me a favor and go through that list. Give me the names of guys who play less than 30 mpg and score less than 10 ppg.


Do me a favor and list guys who play less than 20 mpg being voted into All defensive team.

Oh and in your world guys won't ever improve I got it.
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Re: Ben Simmons Trade Thread 

Post#1600 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jul 12, 2021 12:25 am

phifans wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:
phifans wrote:dpoy

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/dpoy.html

Do me a favor and go through that list. Give me the names of guys who play less than 30 mpg and score less than 10 ppg.


Do me a favor and list guys who play less than 20 mpg being voted into All defensive team.

Oh and in your world guys won't ever improve I got it.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/matisse-thybulle-1.html

Show me the improvement.

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