Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread

[msanchez2725]

I would offer Obi, Knox and #19 for Murray. He would be a great fit under Thibs. I just wish he shot the 3 better.

[Infinitimind]

I love me some SGA and wanted us to draft him in his draft but damn this sure is a lot to trade for him in these two mock trades for SGA.

https://dailyknicks.com/2021/07/09/ny-knicks-2-trades-shai-gilgeous-alexander/

After multiple reports stating that The Oklahoma City Thunder could trade Shai Gilegeous-Alexander as he does not fit the Thunder’s timeline, it is hard to imagine that the NY Knicks won’t make a push for the former Kentucky guard.

Two weeks back, DailyKnicks editor Bradley Dressler speculated on these rumors, and it is time to dive in deeper. The Thunder are the only team in the NBA with more draft capital than New York, and would target draft picks if they traded “SGA”.

NY Knicks: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander would be a huge acquisition
Obviously, the combo guard would not be cheap, and the Knicks would seriously need to shell out a good amount of their future in order to land Alexander, however his fit might make it worth the trade. After averaging 24 points 5 rebounds and 6 assists on 52/41/81 shooting splits at 22 years old, the Thunder would be smart to sell high before Shai hits restricted free agency in 2022.

The NY Knicks’ biggest issue is their weak backcourt. Shai would probably play the point guard position in NY, solving the point guard issue that the Knicks always seem to have.

“SGA” is not going to come cheap, it is incredibly difficult to pry a team’s best player away, especially when they’re going to be only 23 next season. However, trading him makes sense, as Sam Presti is correct to worry about the timeline of Gilegeous-Alexander and the absurd amount of people the Thunder will be drafting in the next few years. Oklahoma City is not near the playoffs at all yet, and it is clear that the Thunder will be trading recently acquired Kemba Walker.

Trading Shai before he gets a chance to leave in free agency or request a trade will mean getting the most in return for him. A Canadian, former Kentucky Wildcat point guard is the Knicks dream come true, and they have to be prepared to offer some enticing packages. Here are two trades that bring Shai Gilgeous-Alexander to the Knicks

I would gleefully do either of these trades in a heartbeat. OKC wouldn't. you can tell knicks fans are behind the proposals because they're teetering on delusional

Our two picks and quickly for shai
Sign monk to take quickly spot

[Juco24]

I would offer Obi, Knox and #19 for Murray. He would be a great fit under Thibs. I just wish he shot the 3 better.

NO WAY!!! Pretty sure they'll be guys @ 19 better than Dejounte Murray. And to throw in Obi? Murray hasn't been anything other than avarege. Not giving up assets for him

[newyorker4ever]

Sign Lowry and N.Powell and trade for M.Turner.

PG--K.Lowry
SG--N.Powell/RJ Barrett
SF--RJ Barrett/N.Powell
PF--J.Randle
C---M.Turner

[Tornelyus]

I would offer Obi, Knox and #19 for Murray. He would be a great fit under Thibs. I just wish he shot the 3 better.

I’d offer Obi (and Knox if Sas wants him) and 21. He is redundant with Randle, but i dont think FO would trade their first lottery pick just after one season. Unless included in some superstar trade i expect Obi to stay.
But since Sas wants to move up in lottery, maybe we can absorb Hield’s contract and offer something like;

Sas out- Murray, sas 1st (#12)
Sas in- #9, #32

Sac out- Hield, sac 1st (#9) sac 2nd (#39)
Sac in- #12, #21

Knicks out- #21, #32
Knicks in- Buddy, Murray, #39

Hield is a risky addition but we can hide his D with Murray and Mitch. He would space the floor for RJ and Randle. Maybe with his wingspan and Thibs (wishful thinking) he can defend.

I’d prefer Murray over all free agent PG’s this year. He is 25, fits with Thibs style. We would keep our #19, and with our cap, hield’s contract with 21&32 is not a bad price for Murray.

IQ, Obi and #19 continue to develop.
Murray-Hield-RJ-Randle-Mitch may not be good enough for 4th seed (i rate celtics and hawks above us). Still if RJ continues to improve, and Randle does not regress (another wishfull thinking), we would be better than last year, without hindering our chances at ‘22 free agents.

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[thebuzzardman]

I'd consider signing Fournier as a FA for SG/SF (interchangeable with RJ) depending on the price tag.

Fournier & Ball wouldn't be a bad pairing where the playmaking and shooting is distributed 1-4.

Fournier is good at creating his own shot & some for others, but I think him and Ball would mean the team lacks that dominant shot creator guy and kind of put the Knicks on the treadmill, even though it'd be a decent treadmill.

SGA + Fournier or Powell would be a pretty good offseason, but again, no way the Knicks get SGA

[thebuzzardman]

Sign Lowry and N.Powell and trade for M.Turner.

PG--K.Lowry
SG--N.Powell/RJ Barrett
SF--RJ Barrett/N.Powell
PF--J.Randle
C---M.Turner

Solid even without M. Turner.

I think the issue with the proposed Lowry signings, or even CP3, is that some people (myself included) list Lowry or CP3 taking a two year deal as enabling the Knicks to "go for FA's again in 2 years"

But by that time, Randle will have a large deal, so will RJ, and even Mitch will be paid more, if still a Knick.

Not sure there would be any cap space to speak of, though I didn't try to accurately game plan it out.

[Knicks1992]

Batum on a 1&1 (team option) on the SF/wing. Draft a rookie such as Duarate to backup on the wing. Lowry and DRose as primary PGs with RJ/IQ in the SG role again.

Batum
20/21 stats:

8.1 PPG
4.7 RPG
2.2 APG
46.4 FG%
40.4 3PT%

[thebuzzardman]

Batum on a 1&1 (team option) on the SF/wing. Draft a rookie such as Duarate to backup on the wing. Lowry and DRose as primary PGs with RJ/IQ in the SG role again.

Batum
20/21 stats:

8.1 PPG
4.7 RPG
2.2 APG
46.4 FG%
40.4 3PT%

Batum is basically a PF now and moves like molasses in the wintertime.

I mean, maybe for some depth, but Knicks have bigger fish to fry. Also, does he really bring anything more to the team than Burks and/or Bullocks? Granted, the Knicks might not bring either back, or only one of two, depending on price tag etc.

[thebuzzardman]

Ok, going to list some FA's. The purpose of this exercise is to pick two.
We can't assume the Knicks can just trade for SGA. Or Beal. Or Lavine. Or Lillard.
Let's assume the Knicks can't trade for any of them, or the cost of the trade is just a bad idea for a team not exactly overflowing with assets.

These are players who are FA's - or might be - coming up.

I think Richard44444444444444444444444 or BX3QEWRP[I%&# can back up this assumption, but pretty sure once (if?) Randle gets signed/extended, followed by RJ coming up on his deal, the Knicks are going to be capped out for a while.

So the idea is to get players NOW (yes, I know this FA class isn't that great) for the team to make a run that most likely coincides with Randle's years. The players signed can have less years than Randle - the Knicks don't have to automatically sign a player(s) for 4 years; just be aware that the idea of signing CP3 for 40 million X2 so "Knicks will have 40 million for 23-24 season probably isn't true, as Randle\RJ ALONE will be taking up at about 60 million in cap space.

So, the idea is pick two players who can improve the team. Shade young and they can be resigned after "The Randle years" or go a little older and match Randle's prime with their prime.

CP3
Conley
Lowry
Ball

Kawhi
DeRozan
Trent Jr
Powell
Fournier

Here's some choices from the "money left over, fill that bench"
Burks
Olynyk
Ibaka
James Johnson
Lou Williams
Derek Rose
Bullocks
TJ McConnell
Batum
Taj Gibson
Nerlens Noel

Delladova
Bazemore
Frank


Players actually under contract for Knicks

PG: ?/?
SG: RJ/IQ
SF: ?/Vildoza
PF: Randle\Obi
C: Mitch
Fortnight: Knox
* I might have missed a name.

Build that roster!

[Knicks1992]

Batum on a 1&1 (team option) on the SF/wing. Draft a rookie such as Duarate to backup on the wing. Lowry and DRose as primary PGs with RJ/IQ in the SG role again.

Batum
20/21 stats:

8.1 PPG
4.7 RPG
2.2 APG
46.4 FG%
40.4 3PT%

Batum is basically a PF now and moves like molasses in the wintertime.

I mean, maybe for some depth, but Knicks have bigger fish to fry. Also, does he really bring anything more to the team than Burks and/or Bullocks? Granted, the Knicks might not bring either back, or only one of two, depending on price tag etc.

He cans till wing it and defend multi-positions. Had his moments in current post-season, which is more can say about current NYK roster. Duarate rotating in as a ready to play wing in addition helps as well.

There are of course other wing options, but shooting and multi-positional defense need to be the boxes to check.

[thebuzzardman]

Batum on a 1&1 (team option) on the SF/wing. Draft a rookie such as Duarate to backup on the wing. Lowry and DRose as primary PGs with RJ/IQ in the SG role again.

Batum
20/21 stats:

8.1 PPG
4.7 RPG
2.2 APG
46.4 FG%
40.4 3PT%

Batum is basically a PF now and moves like molasses in the wintertime.

I mean, maybe for some depth, but Knicks have bigger fish to fry. Also, does he really bring anything more to the team than Burks and/or Bullocks? Granted, the Knicks might not bring either back, or only one of two, depending on price tag etc.

He cans till wing it and defend multi-positions. Had his moments in current post-season, which is more can say about current NYK roster. Duarate rotating in as a ready to play wing in addition helps as well.

There are of course other wing options, but shooting and multi-positional defense need to be the boxes to check.

Yeah, he had his "moments" on a team that features Paul George and Kawhi. He might not have quite the opportunity for "moments" with Randle and RJ.

I don't think he'd be a bad pickup, but in lieu of who?
Bullocks in the starting lineup? I hope not
Burks off the bench? I mean, maybe, but is he better than Burks? Based on price this might be ok.

Since Rose is a a UFA, Knicks first need to solve both starting AND backup PG.
Actually, they kind of need a starting SF too, if you consider RJ the SG.
Bullocks is "ok" but I'd rather see him as the 9th or 10th man.

So, I see 3 positions of dire need before I even start to consider if I want Batum or Bullocks or Burks or other guys who should be the 7th man, tops.

[Knicks1992]

Batum is basically a PF now and moves like molasses in the wintertime.

I mean, maybe for some depth, but Knicks have bigger fish to fry. Also, does he really bring anything more to the team than Burks and/or Bullocks? Granted, the Knicks might not bring either back, or only one of two, depending on price tag etc.

He cans till wing it and defend multi-positions. Had his moments in current post-season, which is more can say about current NYK roster. Duarate rotating in as a ready to play wing in addition helps as well.

There are of course other wing options, but shooting and multi-positional defense need to be the boxes to check.

Yeah, he had his "moments" on a team that features Paul George and Kawhi. He might not have quite the opportunity for "moments" with Randle and RJ.

I don't think he'd be a bad pickup, but in lieu of who?
Bullocks in the starting lineup? I hope not
Burks off the bench? I mean, maybe, but is he better than Burks? Based on price this might be ok.

Since Rose is a a UFA, Knicks first need to solve both starting AND backup PG.
Actually, they kind of need a starting SF too, if you consider RJ the SG.
Bullocks is "ok" but I'd rather see him as the 9th or 10th man.

So, I see 3 positions of dire need before I even start to consider if I want Batum or Bullocks or Burks or other guys who should be the 7th man, tops.

PG is it this offseason. It can many ways. I doubt CP3 or Conley. I think there IS a realistic shot at Lowry. After THAT shooting, shooting, and defense are the priorities. They could move the two picks to move up, to trade for a veteran. The wing is where the second improvement can be made.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Ok, going to list some FA's. The purpose of this exercise is to pick two.
We can't assume the Knicks can just trade for SGA. Or Beal. Or Lavine. Or Lillard.
Let's assume the Knicks can't trade for any of them, or the cost of the trade is just a bad idea for a team not exactly overflowing with assets.

These are players who are FA's - or might be - coming up.

I think Richard44444444444444444444444 or BX3QEWRP[I%&# can back up this assumption, but pretty sure once (if?) Randle gets signed/extended, followed by RJ coming up on his deal, the Knicks are going to be capped out for a while.

So the idea is to get players NOW (yes, I know this FA class isn't that great) for the team to make a run that most likely coincides with Randle's years. The players signed can have less years than Randle - the Knicks don't have to automatically sign a player(s) for 4 years; just be aware that the idea of signing CP3 for 40 million X2 so "Knicks will have 40 million for 23-24 season probably isn't true, as Randle\RJ ALONE will be taking up at about 60 million in cap space.

So, the idea is pick two players who can improve the team. Shade young and they can be resigned after "The Randle years" or go a little older and match Randle's prime with their prime.

CP3
Conley
Lowry
Ball

Kawhi
DeRozan
Trent Jr
Powell
Fournier

Here's some choices from the "money left over, fill that bench"
Burks
Olynyk
Ibaka
James Johnson
Lou Williams
Derek Rose
Bullocks
TJ McConnell
Batum
Taj Gibson
Nerlens Noel

Delladova
Bazemore
Frank


Players actually under contract for Knicks

PG: ?/?
SG: RJ/IQ
SF: ?/Vildoza
PF: Randle\Obi
C: Mitch
Fortnight: Knox
* I might have missed a name.

Build that roster!

Vildoza is a SF? Thought he was a PG. I believe Pelle is under contract.

?/Vildoza
RJ/IQ
?/Knox
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Pelle

That's what I have as the roster for next year so far.

[newyorker4ever]

Sign Lowry and N.Powell and trade for M.Turner.

PG--K.Lowry
SG--N.Powell/RJ Barrett
SF--RJ Barrett/N.Powell
PF--J.Randle
C---M.Turner

Solid even without M. Turner.

I think the issue with the proposed Lowry signings, or even CP3, is that some people (myself included) list Lowry or CP3 taking a two year deal as enabling the Knicks to "go for FA's again in 2 years"

But by that time, Randle will have a large deal, so will RJ, and even Mitch will be paid more, if still a Knick.

Not sure there would be any cap space to speak of, though I didn't try to accurately game plan it out.

M.Turner brings the offense while still being able to be a rim protector with his shot blocking.

We definitely don't want to get locked into any long term contracts or even 2-3 year contracts that could get in the way of being able to land a legit free agent but if we did have Lowry with like one year left on a deal we shouldn't have an issue trading him to create that cap space and we'd be not only a playoff team in the east but one that could make noise in the playoffs with that starting lineup and still having some good pieces on the bench since Powell and Lowry are free agents so we'd only be losing what we trade for M.Turner. Not sure what that would take but not as much as a lot of the other big name PG's and other players there's been rumors of us trading for.

[Celo]

Sign Lowry and N.Powell and trade for M.Turner.

PG--K.Lowry
SG--N.Powell/RJ Barrett
SF--RJ Barrett/N.Powell
PF--J.Randle
C---M.Turner

Solid even without M. Turner.

I think the issue with the proposed Lowry signings, or even CP3, is that some people (myself included) list Lowry or CP3 taking a two year deal as enabling the Knicks to "go for FA's again in 2 years"

But by that time, Randle will have a large deal, so will RJ, and even Mitch will be paid more, if still a Knick.

Not sure there would be any cap space to speak of, though I didn't try to accurately game plan it out.

M.Turner brings the offense while still being able to be a rim protector with his shot blocking.

We definitely don't want to get locked into any long term contracts or even 2-3 year contracts that could get in the way of being able to land a legit free agent but if we did have Lowry with like one year left on a deal we shouldn't have an issue trading him to create that cap space and we'd be not only a playoff team in the east but one that could make noise in the playoffs with that starting lineup and still having some good pieces on the bench since Powell and Lowry are free agents so we'd only be losing what we trade for M.Turner. Not sure what that would take but not as much as a lot of the other big name PG's and other players there's been rumors of us trading for.

What offense does Turner bring? Like seriously I don't get it. And don't tell me it's his 3 point shot. 33% on more than 4 attempts isn't what brings offense. He's averaging 12 points in 31 minutes on a 17% USG. Mitch'll average that, too if he'd get the same usage.

[thebuzzardman]

Ok, going to list some FA's. The purpose of this exercise is to pick two.
We can't assume the Knicks can just trade for SGA. Or Beal. Or Lavine. Or Lillard.
Let's assume the Knicks can't trade for any of them, or the cost of the trade is just a bad idea for a team not exactly overflowing with assets.

These are players who are FA's - or might be - coming up.

I think Richard44444444444444444444444 or BX3QEWRP[I%&# can back up this assumption, but pretty sure once (if?) Randle gets signed/extended, followed by RJ coming up on his deal, the Knicks are going to be capped out for a while.

So the idea is to get players NOW (yes, I know this FA class isn't that great) for the team to make a run that most likely coincides with Randle's years. The players signed can have less years than Randle - the Knicks don't have to automatically sign a player(s) for 4 years; just be aware that the idea of signing CP3 for 40 million X2 so "Knicks will have 40 million for 23-24 season probably isn't true, as Randle\RJ ALONE will be taking up at about 60 million in cap space.

So, the idea is pick two players who can improve the team. Shade young and they can be resigned after "The Randle years" or go a little older and match Randle's prime with their prime.

CP3
Conley
Lowry
Ball

Kawhi
DeRozan
Trent Jr
Powell
Fournier

Here's some choices from the "money left over, fill that bench"
Burks
Olynyk
Ibaka
James Johnson
Lou Williams
Derek Rose
Bullocks
TJ McConnell
Batum
Taj Gibson
Nerlens Noel

Delladova
Bazemore
Frank


Players actually under contract for Knicks

PG: ?/?
SG: RJ/IQ
SF: ?/Vildoza
PF: Randle\Obi
C: Mitch
Fortnight: Knox
* I might have missed a name.

Build that roster!

Vildoza is a SF? Thought he was a PG. I believe Pelle is under contract.

?/Vildoza
RJ/IQ
?/Knox
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Pelle

That's what I have as the roster for next year so far.

Vildoza is basically Burks. SG with some PG abilities. I put him at "SF" so there wasn't 3 SG's there, and also since SG and SF are basically interchangeable (within reason) as "wings"

[newyorker4ever]

Solid even without M. Turner.

I think the issue with the proposed Lowry signings, or even CP3, is that some people (myself included) list Lowry or CP3 taking a two year deal as enabling the Knicks to "go for FA's again in 2 years"

But by that time, Randle will have a large deal, so will RJ, and even Mitch will be paid more, if still a Knick.

Not sure there would be any cap space to speak of, though I didn't try to accurately game plan it out.

M.Turner brings the offense while still being able to be a rim protector with his shot blocking.

We definitely don't want to get locked into any long term contracts or even 2-3 year contracts that could get in the way of being able to land a legit free agent but if we did have Lowry with like one year left on a deal we shouldn't have an issue trading him to create that cap space and we'd be not only a playoff team in the east but one that could make noise in the playoffs with that starting lineup and still having some good pieces on the bench since Powell and Lowry are free agents so we'd only be losing what we trade for M.Turner. Not sure what that would take but not as much as a lot of the other big name PG's and other players there's been rumors of us trading for.

What offense does Turner bring? Like seriously I don't get it. And don't tell me it's his 3 point shot. 33% on more than 4 attempts isn't what brings offense. He's averaging 12 points in 31 minutes on a 17% USG. Mitch'll average that, too if he'd get the same usage.

MRob's only offense is dunking the basketball. I'll take anything around 35% 3 point shooting from my center and he also can make layups and can shoot anywhere close to the basket. He will spread the floor for the rest of the offense cause teams aren't gonna just stay 10-15 feet away from him if he has the ball behind the 3 point line like they do with MRob and while doing all that he can still block shots with the best of them.

[thebuzzardman]

M.Turner brings the offense while still being able to be a rim protector with his shot blocking.

We definitely don't want to get locked into any long term contracts or even 2-3 year contracts that could get in the way of being able to land a legit free agent but if we did have Lowry with like one year left on a deal we shouldn't have an issue trading him to create that cap space and we'd be not only a playoff team in the east but one that could make noise in the playoffs with that starting lineup and still having some good pieces on the bench since Powell and Lowry are free agents so we'd only be losing what we trade for M.Turner. Not sure what that would take but not as much as a lot of the other big name PG's and other players there's been rumors of us trading for.

What offense does Turner bring? Like seriously I don't get it. And don't tell me it's his 3 point shot. 33% on more than 4 attempts isn't what brings offense. He's averaging 12 points in 31 minutes on a 17% USG. Mitch'll average that, too if he'd get the same usage.

MRob's only offense is dunking the basketball. I'll take anything around 35% 3 point shooting from my center and he also can make layups and can shoot anywhere close to the basket. He will spread the floor for the rest of the offense cause teams aren't gonna just stay 10-15 feet away from him if he has the ball behind the 3 point line and while doing all that he can still block shots with the best of them.

Turner is probably too expensive. I'd go with Mitch and sign a relatively cheap 5/4 type who stretch the floor, like Ibaka or Olynyk.
Make Taj a coach.
Say goodbye to Noel.