Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

[PD28]

Dumbest mock draft i've seen so far! look where they put Kuminga!

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-scottie-barnes-goes-no-3-based-on-who-is-most-likely-to-have-the-best-nba-career/

This mock is based on who would have the best career. I also thought this mock was crazy until I actually read the purpose.

Still!

why would Ziaire Williams (6th pick) have a better career than Jonathan Kuminga (13th) pick???

Kuminga is one of the youngest players in the draft and is one whole year younger than Williams. Has better physicals tools + performed better then Williams in a better league. Kuminga was ranked higher coming in as well.

Some people may hesitate to draft Kumina because he is young and may take longer to develop but the fact that this mock is ment to look at the best career, i thought they would look past that and have more reasons to rank him higher.

I would guess CBS assumes Kuminga will turn into a Rudy Gay-esque player who is inefficient but can do some amazing things with his physical tools/athleticism.

[WuTang_CMB]

If Cle somehow makes a deal for Sexton by draft night and they draft Suggs, Mobley falls into our lap beautifully. However, I dont see them dealing him

[WuTang_CMB]

Seems moses moody has a promise from Indiana. They love him. And based on his scoring output in his freshman college season, he's underrated imo. That will be a great get for them but dont see how he slips past ORL at 8

[AkelaLoneWolf]

If Cle somehow makes a deal for Sexton by draft night and they draft Suggs, Mobley falls into our lap beautifully. However, I dont see them dealing him

Is sexton due for an extension? I don’t see how they max out Allen and then still draft Mobley.

[Marty_Budda]

If Cle somehow makes a deal for Sexton by draft night and they draft Suggs, Mobley falls into our lap beautifully. However, I dont see them dealing him

Is sexton due for an extension? I don’t see how they max out Allen and then still draft Mobley.

Nobody’s maxing out Allen dude. But if cavs are all in on Mobley they can sign and trade Allen.

[ciueli]

If Cle somehow makes a deal for Sexton by draft night and they draft Suggs, Mobley falls into our lap beautifully. However, I dont see them dealing him

Is sexton due for an extension? I don’t see how they max out Allen and then still draft Mobley.

Because once a good player is under long term contract they become a valuable trade piece and it's better than losing them for nothing?

[WuTang_CMB]

If Cle somehow makes a deal for Sexton by draft night and they draft Suggs, Mobley falls into our lap beautifully. However, I dont see them dealing him

Is sexton due for an extension? I don’t see how they max out Allen and then still draft Mobley.

Because once a good player is under long term contract they become a valuable trade piece and it's better than losing them for nothing?

The issue is though they have #3 pick in the draft and they love Allen. Lots of other options available in Barnes, Kumina, Suggs. IMO, they arent choosing Mobley because they are going to reup Allen. The easy route to go would do a swap with Toronto and pick up another young piece to add to their core. Why waste it on another big when you have legit talent right infront of them. More often than not, teams just go with a need this high up when theirs viable options there. If there was no Suggs, Kuminga, Barnes, I'd say ya u take Mobley and figure it out later... but that isnt this case this year.

[megalison]

If Cle somehow makes a deal for Sexton by draft night and they draft Suggs, Mobley falls into our lap beautifully. However, I dont see them dealing him

Is sexton due for an extension? I don’t see how they max out Allen and then still draft Mobley.

Because once a good player is under long term contract they become a valuable trade piece and it's better than losing them for nothing?

That's simply not true. Value is relative to the cap hit, which is extra important for guys who aren't tier 1. Cap space would be more valuable than Allen on a $30M/yr long-term deal. It's the exact reason why guys like Drummond, Wiggins and Horford either had zero or negative trade value despite being useful players to some degree.

[ciueli]

You guys are missing the point about Jarrett Allen. If a team is a bottom 5 team in the NBA there is no way they should let a player who has never averaged 30 MPG in any season and isn't a modern space creating center block them from drafting BPA. And Allen is RFA so there is no way a team is throwng $30M per year at him, the Cavs keep saying they love him because that's code to other teams for "we will match whatever you offer", it's a way of depressing his value and the best they can do since outright saying "we'll match any offer" was banned by the NBA front office.

[DreamTeam09]

Clv gave love a 5yr deal when they has no business too under the same premise of it's better to have a trade chip locked up. They're not letting Allen walk imo

[Bruin]

You guys are missing the point about Jarrett Allen. If a team is a bottom 5 team in the NBA there is no way they should let a player who has never averaged 30 MPG in any season and isn't a modern space creating center block them from drafting BPA. And Allen is RFA so there is no way a team is throwng $30M per year at him, the Cavs keep saying they love him because that's code to other teams for "we will match whatever you offer", it's a way of depressing his value and the best they can do since outright saying "we'll match any offer" was banned by the NBA front office.

Allen being an RFA actually makes it more likely for a team to try to overpay him. To force Cavs to second guess matching the offer sheet

[ciueli]

You guys are missing the point about Jarrett Allen. If a team is a bottom 5 team in the NBA there is no way they should let a player who has never averaged 30 MPG in any season and isn't a modern space creating center block them from drafting BPA. And Allen is RFA so there is no way a team is throwng $30M per year at him, the Cavs keep saying they love him because that's code to other teams for "we will match whatever you offer", it's a way of depressing his value and the best they can do since outright saying "we'll match any offer" was banned by the NBA front office.

Allen being an RFA actually makes it more likely for a team to try to overpay him. To force Cavs to second guess matching the offer sheet

The history of the NBA says this almost never happens. Do you have a team that is going to offer Jarrett Allen $30M per year?

[Bruin]

You guys are missing the point about Jarrett Allen. If a team is a bottom 5 team in the NBA there is no way they should let a player who has never averaged 30 MPG in any season and isn't a modern space creating center block them from drafting BPA. And Allen is RFA so there is no way a team is throwng $30M per year at him, the Cavs keep saying they love him because that's code to other teams for "we will match whatever you offer", it's a way of depressing his value and the best they can do since outright saying "we'll match any offer" was banned by the NBA front office.

Allen being an RFA actually makes it more likely for a team to try to overpay him. To force Cavs to second guess matching the offer sheet

The history of the NBA says this almost never happens. Do you have a team that is going to offer Jarrett Allen $30M per year?

I can easily see a team offer him 25 million.

And what do you mean history says this doesn’t happen? Happens all the time. Charlotte offered Hayward an offer sheet years ago. Grizzlies offered Josh Smith an offer sheet. Eric Gordon signed an offer sheet with PHX back when he was in NOLA. Batam signed an offer sheet with Minny back when he was in Portland. Hibbert signed an offer sheet with Portland

All got matched. This is typically how RFAs get overpaid

[ciueli]

Allen being an RFA actually makes it more likely for a team to try to overpay him. To force Cavs to second guess matching the offer sheet

The history of the NBA says this almost never happens. Do you have a team that is going to offer Jarrett Allen $30M per year?

I can easily see a team offer him 25 million.

And what do you mean history says this doesn’t happen? Happens all the time. Charlotte offered Hayward an offer sheet years ago. Grizzlies offered Josh Smith an offer sheet. Eric Gordon signed an offer sheet with PHX back when he was in NOLA. Batam signed an offer sheet with Minny back when he was in Portland. Hibbert signed an offer sheet with Portland

All got matched. This is typically how RFAs get overpaid

So now it's $25M per year. I still don't hear you suggesting what team has $25M in cap space and is throwing that much at Jarrett Allen.

[Fast_Feets]

If raps get suggs its a homerun. Green would be good too

Mobley is 3rd choice

[Syd-TK3]

Seems moses moody has a promise from Indiana. They love him. And based on his scoring output in his freshman college season, he's underrated imo. That will be a great get for them but dont see how he slips past ORL at 8

Where are all these team promises coming from? Seems like theres a lot more rumors about this early on this year

[Bruin]

The history of the NBA says this almost never happens. Do you have a team that is going to offer Jarrett Allen $30M per year?

I can easily see a team offer him 25 million.

And what do you mean history says this doesn’t happen? Happens all the time. Charlotte offered Hayward an offer sheet years ago. Grizzlies offered Josh Smith an offer sheet. Eric Gordon signed an offer sheet with PHX back when he was in NOLA. Batam signed an offer sheet with Minny back when he was in Portland. Hibbert signed an offer sheet with Portland

All got matched. This is typically how RFAs get overpaid

So now it's $25M per year. I still don't hear you suggesting what team has $25M in cap space and is throwing that much at Jarrett Allen.

Raptors could do it. I’m just saying it’s not impossible

[alpngso]

Dumbest mock draft i've seen so far! look where they put Kuminga!

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-scottie-barnes-goes-no-3-based-on-who-is-most-likely-to-have-the-best-nba-career/

This mock is based on who would have the best career. I also thought this mock was crazy until I actually read the purpose.

Still!

why would Ziaire Williams (6th pick) have a better career than Jonathan Kuminga (13th) pick???

Kuminga is one of the youngest players in the draft and is one whole year younger than Williams. Has better physicals tools + performed better then Williams in a better league. Kuminga was ranked higher coming in as well.

Some people may hesitate to draft Kumina because he is young and may take longer to develop but the fact that this mock is ment to look at the best career, i thought they would look past that and have more reasons to rank him higher.

Did you think Donovan Mitchell, OG would have better start to career than Lonzo? Hindsight is 20/20. You never know

[billy_hoyle]

Allen being an RFA actually makes it more likely for a team to try to overpay him. To force Cavs to second guess matching the offer sheet

The history of the NBA says this almost never happens. Do you have a team that is going to offer Jarrett Allen $30M per year?

I can easily see a team offer him 25 million.

And what do you mean history says this doesn’t happen? Happens all the time. Charlotte offered Hayward an offer sheet years ago. Grizzlies offered Josh Smith an offer sheet. Eric Gordon signed an offer sheet with PHX back when he was in NOLA. Batam signed an offer sheet with Minny back when he was in Portland. Hibbert signed an offer sheet with Portland

All got matched. This is typically how RFAs get overpaid

Were any of those guys overpaid on their first contracts (their RFA contracts)? These guys were all stars or fringe all stars on those deals.

I think J Allen could get 15-20mil as an RFA.

I don't see $25m a year, def not $30m. That's ridiculous.

If you are the Cavs, and you draft Mobley, that might be too much money tied up in the C position (projected, as obviously Mobley will only make 3rd overall money the first few years). That's my opinion based on their roster construction, and also a guess as to their unique team financial situation.

I think they have trouble selling out, probably don't have a large fan base (relative to the rest of NBA markets) which means they don't make a lot of TV money. Probably best to stay under the luxury tax, which would be tough to do paying 2 big money centers.

[Kreamy]

Sexton 'Very Available'

The Cleveland Cavaliers are reportedly willing to part with guard Collin Sexton on the trade market as the offseason approaches.

According to Jason Lloyd of The Athletic, sources have said Sexton is "very available," and the Cavs aren't expected to offer him a max contract extension.

Lloyd suggested it is possible the Cavaliers could pair Sexton with veteran big man Kevin Love in a trade to make it more palatable for teams to take on Love's contract.