RealGM Consensus Mock - #13 Indiana

[basketballwacko2]

Because what we lack right now is not players who are NBA ready. What we lack is raw talent and Keon Johnson has that. We need a player who can potentially be great, not just fine. Keon Johnson has that potential. Corey Kispert does not.

It is definitely possible that we trade down and there are some quite good prospects later in the draft as well.

I don't see it 27% on the college 3? Athleticism does not make a basketball player or Larry Legend would have be been Larry who, oh yeah that tall guy who works at the hotel in West Baden.

As I said if this the best we can do I'd trade down with one of NY, OKC or Houston to get 2 picks and take two shots at such a player. Potential is rarely achieved and I've seen too many of these guys at 20 years old who turn into nothing, and I can name off 5-6 off the top of my head from recent years.

You mean....not every draft pick becomes a star!?!?! No way!

It's not just his athleticism, its his motor and defensive ability. At the very least, he should be great on that end...especially with Rick Carlisle teaching him, and with his ability to slash, he shouldn't be a black hole on offense....and if he figures out his shot? He has a chance to be a star player.

Kawhi Leonard slipped in the draft for some of the same concerns....he shot 25% from 3 in his two years(29% his second year) and it seems to have worked out pretty good for him, no?

That isn't to say Keon will figure out his shot...I don't know...but for a team that desperately needs star talent, lets take a guy who can maybe get there....not the guy whose best case scenario is a role player....we have enough of those. Again, who are you benching for Kispert? Sumner, Justin, or Brissett? Is Kispert the player that takes us from missing the playoffs to winning the Championship in your mind?

Well I guess I'll have to tell you a 2nd time since you don't seem to possess much reading comprehension, IF kispert is the pick I see him getting the minutes that Doug McDermott was getting because it looks like Doug is not coming back. AND my preference is to trade this pick down and get a 2nd #1 from one of the teams who has 2 later picks. Now does that clear it up for you or do I need to paint you a picture?

[Nuntius]

I'm not understanding the hype around Keon Johnson he might end up being a fine NBA SG but why does Indiana need a shooting guard #1 and #2 why one who shot 27% from the college 3 range?

I think Kispert is NBA ready and could contribute this year.


I also know that the verdict is in for this pick on this Mock but, I'm betting they trade down.

Because what we lack right now is not players who are NBA ready. What we lack is raw talent and Keon Johnson has that. We need a player who can potentially be great, not just fine. Keon Johnson has that potential. Corey Kispert does not.

It is definitely possible that we trade down and there are some quite good prospects later in the draft as well.

I don't see it 27% on the college 3? Athleticism does not make a basketball player or Larry Legend would have be been Larry who, oh yeah that tall guy who works at the hotel in West Baden.

As I said if this the best we can do I'd trade down with one of NY, OKC or Houston to get 2 picks and take two shots at such a player. Potential is rarely achieved and I've seen too many of these guys at 20 years old who turn into nothing, and I can name off 5-6 off the top of my head from recent years.

Yes, potential doesn't always pan out. That's sort of what potential is, after all. It's potential, not a given.

Look, what you do in the draft depends on where your team is. If we were a contender (like we were back in the ECF years) then you absolutely take a guy like Kispert (or Davion Mitchell) who can help right away. Potential be damned, if you are contending, you get the one who helps you right now.

If you are not contending, though, you usually have to swing for the fences. Especially when you are in the situation that we're in, where we have no established star on the team. That's when you use the best pick that you've had in half a decade to try and acquire that star.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I don't see it 27% on the college 3? Athleticism does not make a basketball player or Larry Legend would have be been Larry who, oh yeah that tall guy who works at the hotel in West Baden.

As I said if this the best we can do I'd trade down with one of NY, OKC or Houston to get 2 picks and take two shots at such a player. Potential is rarely achieved and I've seen too many of these guys at 20 years old who turn into nothing, and I can name off 5-6 off the top of my head from recent years.

You mean....not every draft pick becomes a star!?!?! No way!

It's not just his athleticism, its his motor and defensive ability. At the very least, he should be great on that end...especially with Rick Carlisle teaching him, and with his ability to slash, he shouldn't be a black hole on offense....and if he figures out his shot? He has a chance to be a star player.

Kawhi Leonard slipped in the draft for some of the same concerns....he shot 25% from 3 in his two years(29% his second year) and it seems to have worked out pretty good for him, no?

That isn't to say Keon will figure out his shot...I don't know...but for a team that desperately needs star talent, lets take a guy who can maybe get there....not the guy whose best case scenario is a role player....we have enough of those. Again, who are you benching for Kispert? Sumner, Justin, or Brissett? Is Kispert the player that takes us from missing the playoffs to winning the Championship in your mind?

Well I guess I'll have to tell you a 2nd time since you don't seem to possess much reading comprehension, IF kispert is the pick I see him getting the minutes that Doug McDermott was getting because it looks like Doug is not coming back. AND my preference is to trade this pick down and get a 2nd #1 from one of the teams who has 2 later picks. Now does that clear it up for you or do I need to paint you a picture?

I know what your picture is.

I just think its silly we have a team who hasn't won a playoff game in 3 seasons, and you're worried about replacing role players, when we already have a team that could go 10 deep...but lacks star power.

I don't even care that you don't see the potential in Keon...to each their own, but your goal is simply to find people to replace Doug McDermott...or if we get two later picks...two other players who project strongly as role players without a very high ceiling. Players with a high ceiling tend to go early....does it always work out for them? No...but it does more often than it does players taken in the mid 20s.

And before you come in with "this star player was taken here" because I know how you like to use the exception and pretend they are the rules, just know its not worth it...because I'll think that response is just as silly.

[basketballwacko2]

Because what we lack right now is not players who are NBA ready. What we lack is raw talent and Keon Johnson has that. We need a player who can potentially be great, not just fine. Keon Johnson has that potential. Corey Kispert does not.

It is definitely possible that we trade down and there are some quite good prospects later in the draft as well.

I don't see it 27% on the college 3? Athleticism does not make a basketball player or Larry Legend would have be been Larry who, oh yeah that tall guy who works at the hotel in West Baden.

As I said if this the best we can do I'd trade down with one of NY, OKC or Houston to get 2 picks and take two shots at such a player. Potential is rarely achieved and I've seen too many of these guys at 20 years old who turn into nothing, and I can name off 5-6 off the top of my head from recent years.

Yes, potential doesn't always pan out. That's sort of what potential is, after all. It's potential, not a given.

Look, what you do in the draft depends on where your team is. If we were a contender (like we were back in the ECF years) then you absolutely take a guy like Kispert (or Davion Mitchell) who can help right away. Potential be damned, if you are contending, you get the one who helps you right now.

If you are not contending, though, you usually have to swing for the fences. Especially when you are in the situation that we're in, where we have no established star on the team. That's when you use the best pick that you've had in half a decade to try and acquire that star.

IF that's the case and we're not contending and as that other guy says not winning a playoff game in 3 years, then it's fire sale time!! Why are we keeping in of these slags? $20 million a year for Brogdon, $17.5 Million for LeVert, $18 million for Turner and Sabonis, trade them all, starting with LeVert give me a high 2nd and cap space for him and I"ll be happier than a pig in slop. Trade'm all! Get a bunch of draft picks like OKC and New Orleans have. Who cares if you only win 17 games at least you're not losing in the playoffs because you won't get closer than #13 seed. And when there's only 8,000 people in the stands and you have to have a guy wrestle a bear at half time to wake them up then you know you're on the right path to a title!!

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I don't see it 27% on the college 3? Athleticism does not make a basketball player or Larry Legend would have be been Larry who, oh yeah that tall guy who works at the hotel in West Baden.

As I said if this the best we can do I'd trade down with one of NY, OKC or Houston to get 2 picks and take two shots at such a player. Potential is rarely achieved and I've seen too many of these guys at 20 years old who turn into nothing, and I can name off 5-6 off the top of my head from recent years.

Yes, potential doesn't always pan out. That's sort of what potential is, after all. It's potential, not a given.

Look, what you do in the draft depends on where your team is. If we were a contender (like we were back in the ECF years) then you absolutely take a guy like Kispert (or Davion Mitchell) who can help right away. Potential be damned, if you are contending, you get the one who helps you right now.

If you are not contending, though, you usually have to swing for the fences. Especially when you are in the situation that we're in, where we have no established star on the team. That's when you use the best pick that you've had in half a decade to try and acquire that star.

IF that's the case and we're not contending and as that other guy says not winning a playoff game in 3 years, then it's fire sale time!! Why are we keeping in of these slags? $20 million a year for Brogdon, $17.5 Million for LeVert, $18 million for Turner and Sabonis, trade them all, starting with LeVert give me a high 2nd and cap space for him and I"ll be happier than a pig in slop. Trade'm all! Get a bunch of draft picks like OKC and New Orleans have. Who cares if you only win 17 games at least you're not losing in the playoffs because you won't get closer than #13 seed. And when there's only 8,000 people in the stands and you have to have a guy wrestle a bear at half time to wake them up then you know you're on the right path to a title!!

Yea, I don't wanna trade everyone, nor did I ever call them "slags", but whatever helps you sleep at night.

It would be smart to trade them all, but that isn't what I want to do. I think we can focus on getting young talent while still making the playoffs. I just want us to have some potential coming up instead of a mostly maxed out team that still can't get out of the first round. If we are going to lose in the 1st round, may as well have some young talent to be excited about.

But again, you try as hard as you can to convince yourself of whatever you want....but I can't imagine many here are actually buying it.

[8305]

An elite athlete with a high motor. Still needs to learn to play. He’s young and hasn’t been playing as long as most of his contemporaries. Decent chance he has a big development jump in him. Some of his tape reminds me of Vic. If Johnson was available at 13 I’d hope we would jump on it.

[NYCbeadyrae]

An elite athlete with a high motor. Still needs to learn to play. He’s young and hasn’t been playing as long as most of his contemporaries. Decent chance he has a big development jump in him. Some of his tape reminds me of Vic. If Johnson was available at 13 I’d hope we would jump on it.

GMs are not in love. Johnson looked bad at his pro-day he could potentially fall to 13.

[basketballwacko2]

An elite athlete with a high motor. Still needs to learn to play. He’s young and hasn’t been playing as long as most of his contemporaries. Decent chance he has a big development jump in him. Some of his tape reminds me of Vic. If Johnson was available at 13 I’d hope we would jump on it.

GMs are not in love. Johnson looked bad at his pro-day he could potentially fall to 13.

He could fall to 24 also looks like a over hyped player to me. We see it every year. But hey I'm about done with the NBA and it's running fraud and joke leadership.

[Nuntius]

I don't see it 27% on the college 3? Athleticism does not make a basketball player or Larry Legend would have be been Larry who, oh yeah that tall guy who works at the hotel in West Baden.

As I said if this the best we can do I'd trade down with one of NY, OKC or Houston to get 2 picks and take two shots at such a player. Potential is rarely achieved and I've seen too many of these guys at 20 years old who turn into nothing, and I can name off 5-6 off the top of my head from recent years.

Yes, potential doesn't always pan out. That's sort of what potential is, after all. It's potential, not a given.

Look, what you do in the draft depends on where your team is. If we were a contender (like we were back in the ECF years) then you absolutely take a guy like Kispert (or Davion Mitchell) who can help right away. Potential be damned, if you are contending, you get the one who helps you right now.

If you are not contending, though, you usually have to swing for the fences. Especially when you are in the situation that we're in, where we have no established star on the team. That's when you use the best pick that you've had in half a decade to try and acquire that star.

IF that's the case and we're not contending and as that other guy says not winning a playoff game in 3 years, then it's fire sale time!! Why are we keeping in of these slags? $20 million a year for Brogdon, $17.5 Million for LeVert, $18 million for Turner and Sabonis, trade them all, starting with LeVert give me a high 2nd and cap space for him and I"ll be happier than a pig in slop. Trade'm all! Get a bunch of draft picks like OKC and New Orleans have. Who cares if you only win 17 games at least you're not losing in the playoffs because you won't get closer than #13 seed. And when there's only 8,000 people in the stands and you have to have a guy wrestle a bear at half time to wake them up then you know you're on the right path to a title!!

Yeah, there's no reason to go to the other extreme here. No reason for all this hyperbole. We all know that the Pacers will never have a fire sale. Ever. And I have no issue with that. I do believe in continuity, after all.

Oh, and a high second for LeVert would be an incredibly poor return. You don't waste assets like that, mate. Just like you don't waste a lotto pick on someone like Kispert

[CableKC]

I'd go with Keon Johnson, but as this is a mock draft, I sadly have to vote for Corey Kispert.

Nuntius suggested that I bounce this off of you.

Based off of whose left in this Mock Draft, why should I consider Keon Johnson is going to be the BPA that the Pacers should draft at #13 ( assuming that he's available )?

[CableKC]

Whose your top 4 Players that you think could realistically be on the board at #13 that would be a good pick for the Pacers?

For me, it's:

1 ) Giddy
2 ) Moody
3 ) Franz
4 ) ????

I was really high on Davion Mitchell; but after suggestions by Nuntius and reviewing other Draft reports, I'm not so high on him anymore. Bouknight is a guy that has gone as high as #7 in some mocks and all the way down to #19 in others. Any thoughts on why I should consider him or anyone else as a Player the Pacers should draft?

[Mavrelous]

The worst pick Indy can make is high potential, no contribution guy with RC a head coach, RC is a great coach, but he's merciless on his rookies, go ask Josh Green.

[Nuntius]

The worst pick Indy can make is high potential, no contribution guy with RC a head coach, RC is a great coach, but he's merciless on his rookies, go ask Josh Green.

He is merciless, yes, but if you're good enough then you'll play. For every Josh Green, there's a Yogi Ferrell and a Jalen Brunson.

I think that everyone who is likely to be picked at #13 is going to be good enough to play.

[Marcus]

The worst pick Indy can make is high potential, no contribution guy with RC a head coach, RC is a great coach, but he's merciless on his rookies, go ask Josh Green.

who's minutes would you have given him?

[Mavrelous]

The worst pick Indy can make is high potential, no contribution guy with RC a head coach, RC is a great coach, but he's merciless on his rookies, go ask Josh Green.

He is merciless, yes, but if you're good enough then you'll play. For every Josh Green, there's a Yogi Ferrell and a Jalen Brunson.

I think that everyone who is likely to be picked at #13 is going to be good enough to play.

Brunson is the only guy other than Luka who can handle the ball on the entire team, he had to play him.

[Mavrelous]

The worst pick Indy can make is high potential, no contribution guy with RC a head coach, RC is a great coach, but he's merciless on his rookies, go ask Josh Green.

who's minutes would you have given him?

Doesn't really matter, he'd come in, miss a shot, or make boneheaded play, and he's in the doghouse for 3-4 games.

[Nuntius]

The worst pick Indy can make is high potential, no contribution guy with RC a head coach, RC is a great coach, but he's merciless on his rookies, go ask Josh Green.

He is merciless, yes, but if you're good enough then you'll play. For every Josh Green, there's a Yogi Ferrell and a Jalen Brunson.

I think that everyone who is likely to be picked at #13 is going to be good enough to play.

Brunson is the only guy other than Luka who can handle the ball on the entire team, he had to play him.

True enough but I do trust Rick to play the guys who can contribute right now. I don't think that any player who is slated to go in our range in this draft cannot contribute right now.

[Marcus]

The worst pick Indy can make is high potential, no contribution guy with RC a head coach, RC is a great coach, but he's merciless on his rookies, go ask Josh Green.

who's minutes would you have given him?

Doesn't really matter, he'd come in, miss a shot, or make boneheaded play, and he's in the doghouse for 3-4 games.

Josh do ok in the G-League?

[Mavrelous]

who's minutes would you have given him?

Doesn't really matter, he'd come in, miss a shot, or make boneheaded play, and he's in the doghouse for 3-4 games.

Josh do ok in the G-League?

Didn't really follow, it was mostly the other 3 rookies in G-league, Terry, Bey and Hinton.

[Marcus]

Doesn't really matter, he'd come in, miss a shot, or make boneheaded play, and he's in the doghouse for 3-4 games.

Josh do ok in the G-League?

Didn't really follow, it was mostly the other 3 rookies in G-league, Terry, Bey and Hinton.

I legit thought Terry would have been a solid replacement for what you might have lost with Seth was surprised to see how that worked out.