Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

HumbleRen · Post #1021 » by **HumbleRen** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:27 am

720 wrote:Imagine if Suggs hit a second growth spurt and ended up 6 foot 7 before the draft. His stock go up?

S/o Jayson Tatum lol.

Dude went from 6’8 to a legit 6’10 after his rookie year :lol:

The basketball gods favour him

DatHomieYouHaTe · Post #1022 » by **DatHomieYouHaTe** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:35 am

Klay is 6"7 with 6"7 wingspan
Kyrie 6"1 and 6"3 wingspan
Devin Booker is 6"4 with 6"6 wingspan
Jamal Murray is 6"2 with 6"5 wingspan
De'Aaron Fox is 6"2 wingspan 6"4
Tatum 6"6 with 6"9 wingspan
Trae Young 6 fee and 6"1 wingspan
MPJ 6"8 Wingspan 6"9
Zion 6"6 with 6"8 wingspan
Ja Morant is 6"3 6"5 wingspan

Tons of dudes there with not the craziest wingspans. If they grew it doesn't matter much since they t rex arm players according to TD

Blood Orange · Post #1023 » by **Blood Orange** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:48 am

I don't know if this has been posted but..

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TD2FutureStar · Post #1024 » by **TD2FutureStar** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:59 am

PrinceAli wrote:
TD2FutureStar wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:I don’t see why Monta doesn’t qualify just cause he doesn’t play anymore. He was still an effective NBA player not long ago

Hayward isn’t a bad defender btw

And defense isn’t really a concern with Suggs so it’s kind of a pointless argument

Btw Kyle also has a short wingspan and is a great defender and the Groat

My question was about current NBA players, which I made clear. Lowry again like CP3 has a large wingspan relative to his height also has some pretty large hands which is beneficial.

Kyle has a 6’2” wingspan and is 6’. Not really much different from the ratio that Suggs has. And without looking at ratios, Suggs is gonna play the same position as Lowry and has 3 inches more than Lowry. I really don’t see any reason why Suggs wingspan should cause him issues defensively

He’s proven to be a good defender anyways so why doubt it now just based on wingspan when the actual sample of games show he’s a good defensive player

It’s more of pushing an agenda imo

College and NBA are completely different.

TD2FutureStar · Post #1025 » by **TD2FutureStar** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:01 am

ciueli wrote:
TD2FutureStar wrote:[
CP3 is 6'0 with a 6'5" wingspan. He's actually very long in comparison to his height. Suggs is 6' 4" with a 6' 5" wingspan.

Curry is the greatest shooter of all time, which makes up for wingspan. Butler is a good example, but even he has a 6' 7" wingspan.

Chris Paul has a 6'4" wingspan, not 6"5", Suggs is 3 inches taller and has a 1" better wingspan. And while we're throwing around numbers, Suggs has an 8'3" standing reach while Chris Paul's is 7'9".

Welcome to the conversation. We're talking about height to wingspan ratio, not just total wingspan.

Chris Paul has a 6'4.25" wingspan relative to his 6' height.

Blood Orange · Post #1026 » by **Blood Orange** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:04 am

Mobley's gonna be a baller

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TD2FutureStar · Post #1027 » by **TD2FutureStar** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:05 am

So Clutch wrote:
TD2FutureStar wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:Butler is 6’7” with a 6’8” wingspan. So basically by ratio, it’s even worse than Suggs. And yet he’s an elite defender

Yes I agreed Butler was the exception here. Still, as you can tell the list is extremely limited and it appears to effect these players more on the defensive end than anywhere else. Slightly concerning when you're looking for a star at #4.

You asked for examples. People have you examples. Now you add some other rationale about Butler being an exception and Curry being a shooter. Wingspan does not make a player. Maybe if he was undersized at this position, it’d be a bigger deal. He has great size and athleticism for a PG, and you’re nitpicking about his +1 wingspan.

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My point is there are very few stars with short wingspans relative to their height. In fact there is only one star, Jimmy Butler that's an A+ defender. Further proving my point that wingspan makes a HUGE difference in guarding at the NBA level.

TD2FutureStar · Post #1028 » by **TD2FutureStar** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:10 am

Yeezus_ wrote:
TD2FutureStar wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:I don’t see why Monta doesn’t qualify just cause he doesn’t play anymore. He was still an effective NBA player not long ago

Hayward isn’t a bad defender btw

And defense isn’t really a concern with Suggs so it’s kind of a pointless argument

Btw Kyle also has a short wingspan and is a great defender and the Groat

My question was about current NBA players, which I made clear. Lowry again like CP3 has a large wingspan relative to his height also has some pretty large hands which is beneficial.

His wingspan relative to height might not be the greatest but does it really matter when he’s looking like a 6’4 PG? It’s not like he’s 6’ with a 6’1 wingspan. He’s already got solid size for the position.

Shorter wingspan relative to height means he won't be able to handle the ball as well as a longer player that can dribble low to the ground without having to even bend over. Big factor for a point guard.

Yeezus_ · Post #1029 » by **Yeezus_** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:13 am

TD2FutureStar wrote:
Yeezus_ wrote:
TD2FutureStar wrote:My question was about current NBA players, which I made clear. Lowry again like CP3 has a large wingspan relative to his height also has some pretty large hands which is beneficial.

His wingspan relative to height might not be the greatest but does it really matter when he’s looking like a 6’4 PG? It’s not like he’s 6’ with a 6’1 wingspan. He’s already got solid size for the position.

Shorter wingspan relative to height means he won't be able to handle the ball as well as a longer player that can dribble low to the ground without having to even bend over. Big factor for a point guard.

Man what? This isn’t even why wingspan is important lmao

TD2FutureStar · Post #1030 » by **TD2FutureStar** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:14 am

DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:Klay is 6"7 with 6"7 wingspan
Kyrie 6"1 and 6"3 wingspan
Devin Booker is 6"4 with 6"6 wingspan
Jamal Murray is 6"2 with 6"5 wingspan
De'Aaron Fox is 6"2 wingspan 6"4
Tatum 6"6 with 6"9 wingspan
Trae Young 6 fee and 6"1 wingspan
MPJ 6"8 Wingspan 6"9
Zion 6"6 with 6"8 wingspan
Ja Morant is 6"3 6"5 wingspan

Tons of dudes there with not the craziest wingspans. If they grew it doesn't matter much since they t rex arm players according to TD

Your measurements are way off on several players. Check again and use good sources like draft express.

TD2FutureStar · Post #1031 » by **TD2FutureStar** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:15 am

Yeezus_ wrote:
TD2FutureStar wrote:
Yeezus_ wrote:His wingspan relative to height might not be the greatest but does it really matter when he’s looking like a 6’4 PG? It’s not like he’s 6’ with a 6’1 wingspan. He’s already got solid size for the position.

Shorter wingspan relative to height means he won't be able to handle the ball as well as a longer player that can dribble low to the ground without having to even bend over. Big factor for a point guard.

Man what? This isn’t even why wingspan is important lmao

Not sure if you've ever played basketball but it's absolutely a big advantage in basketball.

RaptorPride · Post #1032 » by **RaptorPride** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:19 am

PhilBlackson wrote:The only issue is Fred in about 2 years is gonna find it crazy ironic he was the "lucky charm" that brought in his replacement

Or his new partner in crime. Suggs is the perfect PG to have beside Fred.
Guys like Fred and Pascal had to fight their whole career to get here. I don't think its crazy to assume they keep on improving as players.

TD2FutureStar · Post #1033 » by **TD2FutureStar** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:25 am

DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:Klay is 6"7 with 6"7 wingspan
Kyrie 6"1 and 6"3 wingspan
Devin Booker is 6"4 with 6"6 wingspan
Jamal Murray is 6"2 with 6"5 wingspan
De'Aaron Fox is 6"2 wingspan 6"4
Tatum 6"6 with 6"9 wingspan
Trae Young 6 fee and 6"1 wingspan
MPJ 6"8 Wingspan 6"9
Zion 6"6 with 6"8 wingspan
Ja Morant is 6"3 6"5 wingspan

Tons of dudes there with not the craziest wingspans. If they grew it doesn't matter much since they t rex arm players according to TD

Klay 6' 9" wingspan
Irving 6'4" wingspan
Booker 6' 8.25"
Fox 6' 6"
Tatum 6' 11"
Young 6' 2"
MPJ 7'
Zion 6' 10"
Morant 6' 7"

Lmao dude you literally lied about every single guys wingspan by about 2-3" to try to discredit me. Pathetic attempt.

PT416 · Post #1034 » by **PT416** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:42 am

Ivan Drago wrote:Mobley's gonna be a baller

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Harden-esque creativity. Even in his draft lottery interview he said he doesn't wanna compare himself with anyone. Gave me a generational talent vibe. Sucks we're not gonna get him.

DatHomieYouHaTe · Post #1035 » by **DatHomieYouHaTe** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:46 am

TD2FutureStar wrote:
DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:Klay is 6"7 with 6"7 wingspan
Kyrie 6"1 and 6"3 wingspan
Devin Booker is 6"4 with 6"6 wingspan
Jamal Murray is 6"2 with 6"5 wingspan
De'Aaron Fox is 6"2 wingspan 6"4
Tatum 6"6 with 6"9 wingspan
Trae Young 6 fee and 6"1 wingspan
MPJ 6"8 Wingspan 6"9
Zion 6"6 with 6"8 wingspan
Ja Morant is 6"3 6"5 wingspan

Tons of dudes there with not the craziest wingspans. If they grew it doesn't matter much since they t rex arm players according to TD

Klay 6' 9" wingspan
Irving 6'4" wingspan
Booker 6' 8.25"
Fox 6' 6"
Tatum 6' 11"
Young 6' 2"
MPJ 7'
Zion 6' 10"
Morant 6' 7"

Lmao dude you literally lied about every single guys wingspan by about 2-3" to try to discredit me. Pathetic attempt.

get the good numbers from draft express he says... they even say he's not that long... you will never get 100% accurate numbers anyways. doesn't change the fact you're wrong about your wingspan comment. I think it matters more for the wings and bigman for sure not so much the guards

TD2FutureStar · Post #1036 » by **TD2FutureStar** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:13 am

DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:
TD2FutureStar wrote:
DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:Klay is 6"7 with 6"7 wingspan
Kyrie 6"1 and 6"3 wingspan
Devin Booker is 6"4 with 6"6 wingspan
Jamal Murray is 6"2 with 6"5 wingspan
De'Aaron Fox is 6"2 wingspan 6"4
Tatum 6"6 with 6"9 wingspan
Trae Young 6 fee and 6"1 wingspan
MPJ 6"8 Wingspan 6"9
Zion 6"6 with 6"8 wingspan
Ja Morant is 6"3 6"5 wingspan

Tons of dudes there with not the craziest wingspans. If they grew it doesn't matter much since they t rex arm players according to TD

Klay 6' 9" wingspan
Irving 6'4" wingspan
Booker 6' 8.25"
Fox 6' 6"
Tatum 6' 11"
Young 6' 2"
MPJ 7'
Zion 6' 10"
Morant 6' 7"

Lmao dude you literally lied about every single guys wingspan by about 2-3" to try to discredit me. Pathetic attempt.

get the good numbers from draft express he says... they even say he's not that long... you will never get 100% accurate numbers anyways. doesn't change the fact you're wrong about your wingspan comment. I think it matters more for the wings and bigman for sure not so much the guards

You must be trolling :lol:

That's a measurement form 2016. Lmao. At the 2018 combine he measured over 7 feet. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2776562-nba-combine-results-2018-thursday-measurements-highlights-and-top-prospects

Mark_83 · Post #1037 » by **Mark_83** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:35 am

Ivan Drago wrote:Mobley's gonna be a baller

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Did he just decide to Kawhi that ball like an orange mid-dribble and dunk it with his left hand?

NinjaBro · Post #1038 » by **NinjaBro** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:54 am

Ivan Drago wrote:Mobley's gonna be a baller

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I've seen enough. Mobley it is, let's get it!

AbC? · Post #1039 » by **AbC?** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:56 am

Mobley's going to dominate bigs 40lbs heavier than him with skill and basketball IQ, processes the game at an insane level. Even in that clip the ability to immediately recognize the help and make that move in one fluid motion is crazy.

AussieRaptor · Post #1040 » by **AussieRaptor** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:03 am

I actually think we’re a chance of selecting Mobley at 4. I think it’s almost a given that Cade and Green go 1 and 2. At 3 I think Cavs may opt for a SF in Barnes or Kuminga. Leaves Mobley and Suggs for us, and I think Mobley would be highest on our board.