Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

[bon]

Mobley's gonna be a baller

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If Masai wants redemption for not trading up in 2013, he might have to make that move for Mobley on the 29th

[God Squad]

Out of the three players in Suggs, Green, and Mobley.

Who do you guys think has best chance to be an empty stats guy? Someone that puts up numbers but doesnt really impact winning.

Green, by a lot, carries the most risk as an empty stats guy. I think the LaVine comps are legit.

His ceiling is predicated on learning how to play better system defense and offense, whereas there is a ton to extrapolate in terms of how Suggs and Mobley impacted Gonzaga (finals) and USC (elite 8) respectively.

Agreed, if anything I don't think enough people talk about Green in this regard.

[God Squad]

Dumbest mock draft i've seen so far! look where they put Kuminga!

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-scottie-barnes-goes-no-3-based-on-who-is-most-likely-to-have-the-best-nba-career/

You guys don't read lol. The mock is based on who is likely to have the best career.

Some of the things I consider when ranking: overall skill set, success at the college level, projection of skills at the NBA level -- both immediate and potential for development -- areas they're unlikely to improve upon, how good of a teammate they are. As I've written before: The 30 players below are placed in deliberate order and they represent my collective best guess at who will have the most productive and long-lasting NBA careers from the 2021 draft pool.

Its a mock of who he thinks will end up the most successful.

[God Squad]

OT but still amazing!

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[filsor]

The wait for this draft seems like it is taking forever!

Hoping for Suggs. Fine with any top 4.

Have a great Monday friends!

[bboyskinnylegs]

I actually think we’re a chance of selecting Mobley at 4. I think it’s almost a given that Cade and Green go 1 and 2. At 3 I think Cavs may opt for a SF in Barnes or Kuminga. Leaves Mobley and Suggs for us, and I think Mobley would be highest on our board.

this stuff about Cleveland wanting to move Sexton since they don't want to max him, plus the fact that they are somewhat invested in Allen means there's a decent chance they select Suggs and Mobley is available to us at 4.

[Rodrickle]

Ya I just don't get the Roy comparison at all. Roy was like Kobe in a way scoring wise while Suggs is more Kidd and Westbrook.

Thats a pretty good comparison for Suggs. A more tame, slightly less explosive westbrook with Kidds court vision and intangibles

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[Rodrickle]

Also you guys need to consider that Suggs measurements aren’t recent since he didn’t go to the combine. Chances are he’s grown a bit since then

In fact the latest I find him actually being measured is 2018


https://www.nbadraft.net/players/jalen-suggs/

Suggs measured 6’3 barefoot, 6’4 in shoes, 194 lbs, with a 6’5 wingspan, and a 8’3 standing reach in mid 2018

Suggs has grown at least an inch since 2018. In one of the Gonzana games I saw earlier this year, the announcers mentioned Suggs being 6 foot 4 without shoes, and 6 foot 5 in shoes. He is an inch less than Green, who is 6 foot 6 in shoes. So, Suggs has good size for the PG position. He will be 4 inches taller than Lowry, the greatest Raptor ever. His height should not be an issue.

You're probably right. He looked an inch taller than Steph Curry (6'3 in shoes) back when he was 17. Should def be 6'5 3 years later

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[mtcan]

The wait for this draft seems like it is taking forever!

Hoping for Suggs. Fine with any top 4.

Have a great Monday friends!

I'm ready to move on from this tanking/lottery/draft talk...July 29 can't come fast enough.

Let's have some real news to talk about.

[WuTang_OG]

Mobley's gonna be a baller

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[PhilBlackson]

I actually think we’re a chance of selecting Mobley at 4. I think it’s almost a given that Cade and Green go 1 and 2. At 3 I think Cavs may opt for a SF in Barnes or Kuminga. Leaves Mobley and Suggs for us, and I think Mobley would be highest on our board.

this stuff about Cleveland wanting to move Sexton since they don't want to max him, plus the fact that they are somewhat invested in Allen means there's a decent chance they select Suggs and Mobley is available to us at 4.

We all better pray that's the case (even though I don't think it will be, I think CLE won't be able to handle the scrutiny of passing on him especially with previous management being a punchline for drafting Bennett). Our ceiling imo is substantially higher if we get Mobley. I know he's supposedly more of a long term project but he'd be an immediate difference maker defensively which is exactly what we were missing and I have no doubt even in year 1, he would still get an upgrade offensively from Birch and Gilly. Long term in our developmental system....good lawd watch tfo! But that would be another reason I think CLE would be scared to pass on him and look even more the fool..

This is also while most of American media had suddenly dubbed Suggs as a tier below. Again fingers crossed but I honestly give it like a 10% chance.

[WuTang_OG]

I actually think we’re a chance of selecting Mobley at 4. I think it’s almost a given that Cade and Green go 1 and 2. At 3 I think Cavs may opt for a SF in Barnes or Kuminga. Leaves Mobley and Suggs for us, and I think Mobley would be highest on our board.

this stuff about Cleveland wanting to move Sexton since they don't want to max him, plus the fact that they are somewhat invested in Allen means there's a decent chance they select Suggs and Mobley is available to us at 4.

We all better pray that's the case (even though I don't think it will be, I think CLE won't be able to handle the scrutiny of passing on him especially with previous management being a punchline for drafting Bennett). Our ceiling imo is substantially higher if we get Mobley. I know he's supposedly more of a long term project but he'd be an immediate difference maker defensively which is exactly what we were missing and I have no doubt even in year 1, he would still get an upgrade offensively from Birch and Gilly. Long term in our developmental system....good lawd watch tfo! But that would be another reason I think CLE would be scared to pass on him and look even more the fool..

This is also while most of American media had suddenly dubbed Suggs as a tier below. Again fingers crossed but I honestly give it like a 10% chance.

Cleveland has until draft night to make a deal. Let's see if they do it. I personally think they dont end up dealing Sexton but who knows. And I'm confident they arent taking Mobley because of Allen. Mobley to Toronto gains momentum each day.

[Clutch0z24]

I read back a couple pages to find a discussion about how Suggs at an above normal height for a PG because he has a short wingspan is not going to be a good NBA player....This board is getting a little insane lmao....Imagine thinking wingspan has that big of an impact on the game to the point you are a bust if you have short arms....

Which Suggs really doesn't have short arms compared to the position hes going to play considering hes bigger than 80 percent of the PGs in the league ....

Allen Iverson was Tiny and brought one of the worst teams to an NBA Finals by himself....Dude was a mini PG...These arguments are just foolish now...Wingspan plays a 2% part in a players abilities on a basketball court

"6'6
Listed at 6'4 with a solid 205-pound frame to go along with a 6'6 wingspan, Suggs may not be especially long, but has prototypical size for a player capable of playing both backcourt positions. He is a very good athlete with terrific instincts and body control that shined in the open floor last season."

From googling his wingspan and a 6"6 wingspan is literally bigger than most PGs so at the end of the day he still has good size for a PG

If you look at Westbrook who is considered a "Big" PG he has the same wingspan as Suggs but 1 inch shorter...Suggs maybe 6"5 now who really knows but he will be fine in the NBA

[WuTang_OG]

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[Raptorfan2012]

I read back a couple pages to find a discussion about how Suggs at an above normal height for a PG because he has a short wingspan is not going to be a good NBA player....This board is getting a little insane lmao....Imagine thinking wingspan has that big of an impact on the game to the point you are a bust if you have short arms....

Which Suggs really doesn't have short arms compared to the position hes going to play considering hes bigger than 80 percent of the PGs in the league ....

Allen Iverson was Tiny and brought one of the worst teams to an NBA Finals by himself....Dude was a mini PG...These arguments are just foolish now...Wingspan plays a 2% part in a players abilities on a basketball court

"6'6
Listed at 6'4 with a solid 205-pound frame to go along with a 6'6 wingspan, Suggs may not be especially long, but has prototypical size for a player capable of playing both backcourt positions. He is a very good athlete with terrific instincts and body control that shined in the open floor last season."

From googling his wingspan and a 6"6 wingspan is literally bigger than most PGs so at the end of the day he still has good size for a PG

If you look at Westbrook who is considered a "Big" PG he has the same wingspan as Suggs but 1 inch shorter...Suggs maybe 6"5 now who really knows but he will be fine in the NBA

IMO wingspan is less important for PGs than say rim-protecting bigs. Agility, passing, ball IQ, ability to create offense etc are way more important for a PG.

[Morse Code]

Can you guys PLEASE end this stupid wingspan convo. Been scrolling through page after page trying to find relevant draft related stuff and it’s all just a pointless d*#k measuring contest. So annoying.

[Federalies]

Wade has 6" longer wingspan than gator arm Suggs. Suggs will be good, but he won't be anywhere close to D Wade.

I'm not comparing the two players, I'm comparing the situation.

4th pick. A stud big-man and a guard that's rated slightly lower than the other top prospects.

Mobley looks amazing, but long-term I think Suggs ends up the better pro.

Name me a star NBA player currently in the league with gator arms. I can't honestly think of any, so for me Suggs will be good, but he won't be a superstar due to his length issues.

Off the top of my head I’d go with Steph Curry (6’3” in shoes with a 6’3.5” wingspan) and Trae Young (6’1.5” in shoes with a 6’2” wingspan) but I’m sure there’s a few more if we dig.

[PhilBlackson]

this stuff about Cleveland wanting to move Sexton since they don't want to max him, plus the fact that they are somewhat invested in Allen means there's a decent chance they select Suggs and Mobley is available to us at 4.

We all better pray that's the case (even though I don't think it will be, I think CLE won't be able to handle the scrutiny of passing on him especially with previous management being a punchline for drafting Bennett). Our ceiling imo is substantially higher if we get Mobley. I know he's supposedly more of a long term project but he'd be an immediate difference maker defensively which is exactly what we were missing and I have no doubt even in year 1, he would still get an upgrade offensively from Birch and Gilly. Long term in our developmental system....good lawd watch tfo! But that would be another reason I think CLE would be scared to pass on him and look even more the fool..

This is also while most of American media had suddenly dubbed Suggs as a tier below. Again fingers crossed but I honestly give it like a 10% chance.

Cleveland has until draft night to make a deal. Let's see if they do it. I personally think they dont end up dealing Sexton but who knows. And I'm confident they arent taking Mobley because of Allen. Mobley to Toronto gains momentum each day.

You kind of go against your own statement by saying you think it's gaining momentum when 2 seconds earlier write you don't see a deal for Sexton happening...

Naturally if Sexton is outta the way it would make it easier to draft Suggs. If nott, it's going to be MUCH harder to justify bringing in yet another guard which actually would substantially damper the chances it happens if anything and INCREASE the likelihood they take Mobley because as a lot of mocks have mentioned whether it was HOU or CLE, they'd like just put Mobley at PF then look to deal Woods or Allen later and gain more assets.

[Psubs]

I read back a couple pages to find a discussion about how Suggs at an above normal height for a PG because he has a short wingspan is not going to be a good NBA player....This board is getting a little insane lmao....Imagine thinking wingspan has that big of an impact on the game to the point you are a bust if you have short arms....

Which Suggs really doesn't have short arms compared to the position hes going to play considering hes bigger than 80 percent of the PGs in the league ....

Allen Iverson was Tiny and brought one of the worst teams to an NBA Finals by himself....Dude was a mini PG...These arguments are just foolish now...Wingspan plays a 2% part in a players abilities on a basketball court

"6'6
Listed at 6'4 with a solid 205-pound frame to go along with a 6'6 wingspan, Suggs may not be especially long, but has prototypical size for a player capable of playing both backcourt positions. He is a very good athlete with terrific instincts and body control that shined in the open floor last season."

From googling his wingspan and a 6"6 wingspan is literally bigger than most PGs so at the end of the day he still has good size for a PG

If you look at Westbrook who is considered a "Big" PG he has the same wingspan as Suggs but 1 inch shorter...Suggs maybe 6"5 now who really knows but he will be fine in the NBA

I think his coordination and instincts optimize his physical profile. That's really what's important.

[sbsat]

I'm more confused now than ever as to who the raptors should draft. But the bottom line is, we getting one of Green, Mobley or Suggs.... and they are all pretty f'n good. If its Suggs, I'd imagine we make moves involving Flynn, or even FVV if its a bigger deal.