Top 11 Ceilings

[The Moose]

I imagine he'll end up similar to Saddiq Bey. Elite scorer at the college level, high-IQ guy, but athletic limitations will force him into more of a floor-spacer role in the NBA. Useful player, but definitely not one you should draft in the high lottery.

lmao

[MotownMadness]

Cade was absolutely suffocated at the college level and still avg 20per game. We'll see how he does with better spacing and shooters around him at the next level.

[buzzkilloton]

I imagine he'll end up similar to Saddiq Bey. Elite scorer at the college level, high-IQ guy, but athletic limitations will force him into more of a floor-spacer role in the NBA. Useful player, but definitely not one you should draft in the high lottery.

lmao

Obv a troll post. No surprise the guy has an account made in May to many bad draft hot takes last year had to make a new account.

[God Squad]

Guys will take away the 3 because his first step is so bad. Even if he counters tight D with a drive attempt, recovering or rotating against him will be a cinch for NBA athletes.

Keep firing up the Cade hate post every chance you get so their easy to find to quote when hes rookie of the year.

I actually don't hate Cade at all, and for the record I have stated that I think he will be a very solid pro. There are however some very obvious limitations to his game that will prevent him from ever being a guy who can lead a team to a championship as the number one option.

Big J wrote:

Cade is not a leader man, he has absolutely zero charisma. He seems like he cares more about his brand and his stats than he does about his teammates.

Sounds about right.

[jezzerinho]

The Sistine Chapel would surely have to be right up there.

[Big J]

Keep firing up the Cade hate post every chance you get so their easy to find to quote when hes rookie of the year.

I actually don't hate Cade at all, and for the record I have stated that I think he will be a very solid pro. There are however some very obvious limitations to his game that will prevent him from ever being a guy who can lead a team to a championship as the number one option.

Big J wrote:

Cade is not a leader man, he has absolutely zero charisma. He seems like he cares more about his brand and his stats than he does about his teammates.

Sounds about right.

Let me put it this way. He’s very Rudy Gay/Turkoglu esque. Solid pro, but not the guy you want to build around. I don’t think that is hating, it’s just pointing out flaws. Too many of you are looking at him with rose colored glasses and refuse to acknowledge his flaws.

[Charm]

I actually don't hate Cade at all, and for the record I have stated that I think he will be a very solid pro. There are however some very obvious limitations to his game that will prevent him from ever being a guy who can lead a team to a championship as the number one option.

Big J wrote:

Cade is not a leader man, he has absolutely zero charisma. He seems like he cares more about his brand and his stats than he does about his teammates.

Sounds about right.

Let me put it this way. He’s very Rudy Gay/Turkoglu esque. Solid pro, but not the guy you want to build around. I don’t think that is hating, it’s just pointing out flaws. Too many MFers are looking at him with rose colored glasses and refuse to acknowledge his flaws.

Rudy Gay doesn't really make sense to me...he was a sensational athlete in his younger days. Maybe Joe Johnson?

It's funny that people hate the Saddiq Bey comp so much. Bey was an Erving Award winner, Wooden finalist, All-Rookie 1st team. It's not like I compared him to some scrub. But I guess it's blasphemous to suggest that Cade will be anything less than ROY and sure-fire All-Star.

[Big J]

Sounds about right.

Let me put it this way. He’s very Rudy Gay/Turkoglu esque. Solid pro, but not the guy you want to build around. I don’t think that is hating, it’s just pointing out flaws. Too many MFers are looking at him with rose colored glasses and refuse to acknowledge his flaws.

Rudy Gay doesn't really make sense to me...he was a sensational athlete in his younger days. Maybe Joe Johnson?

It's funny that people hate the Saddiq Bey comp so much. Bey was an Erving Award winner, Wooden finalist, All-Rookie 1st team. It's not like I compared him to some scrub. But I guess it's blasphemous to suggest that Cade will be anything less than ROY and sure-fire All-Star.

Yea you are right. I was mostly thinking demeanor with the Gay comp. TBH I think Turkoglu is probably the closest comp. Joe Johnson is pretty good also.

[yosemiteben]

Are you just posting randomly with this? Makes 0 sense

Well as a Hornets fan sitting at 11 I'll take it!

[God Squad]

I actually don't hate Cade at all, and for the record I have stated that I think he will be a very solid pro. There are however some very obvious limitations to his game that will prevent him from ever being a guy who can lead a team to a championship as the number one option.

Big J wrote:

Cade is not a leader man, he has absolutely zero charisma. He seems like he cares more about his brand and his stats than he does about his teammates.

Sounds about right.

Let me put it this way. He’s very Rudy Gay/Turkoglu esque. Solid pro, but not the guy you want to build around. I don’t think that is hating, it’s just pointing out flaws. Too many of you are looking at him with rose colored glasses and refuse to acknowledge his flaws.

My thing is there are other ways of conveying how you feel about Cade, without saying intangible things like zero charisma,not being a leader and only caring about his brand. I'm also lower on Cade, but it mostly stems from his lack of burst/athleticism than charisma and questioning leadership. Anyways debates and conversation is what makes the draft process so much fun.

[God Squad]

Sounds about right.

Let me put it this way. He’s very Rudy Gay/Turkoglu esque. Solid pro, but not the guy you want to build around. I don’t think that is hating, it’s just pointing out flaws. Too many MFers are looking at him with rose colored glasses and refuse to acknowledge his flaws.

Rudy Gay doesn't really make sense to me...he was a sensational athlete in his younger days. Maybe Joe Johnson?

It's funny that people hate the Saddiq Bey comp so much. Bey was an Erving Award winner, Wooden finalist, All-Rookie 1st team. It's not like I compared him to some scrub. But I guess it's blasphemous to suggest that Cade will be anything less than ROY and sure-fire All-Star.

Well no, It's because Saddiq Bey is mostly a spot up shooter in the NBA with little ball handling duties. That's just now who Cade projects to. So yes it's kind of left field. Personally I've always liked the these comps. I think he's gonna have to really rely on that jumper to get the most out of his skill set with his lack of burst. Hedo's not a bad comp IMO, better than Saddiq.

Play making Middleton/Hayward/Tatum.

[Big J]

Sounds about right.

Let me put it this way. He’s very Rudy Gay/Turkoglu esque. Solid pro, but not the guy you want to build around. I don’t think that is hating, it’s just pointing out flaws. Too many of you are looking at him with rose colored glasses and refuse to acknowledge his flaws.

My thing is there are other ways of conveying how you feel about Cade, without saying intangible things like zero charisma,not being a leader and only caring about his brand. I'm also lower on Cade, but it mostly stems from his lack of burst/athleticism than charisma and questioning leadership. Anyways debates and conversation is what makes the draft process so much fun.

What’s wrong with pointing out personality flaws? Teams undertake a massive interview process to identify these type of things, so I figure that I should point out what I’m seeing on that end as well.

[jezzerinho]

Sounds about right.

Let me put it this way. He’s very Rudy Gay/Turkoglu esque. Solid pro, but not the guy you want to build around. I don’t think that is hating, it’s just pointing out flaws. Too many MFers are looking at him with rose colored glasses and refuse to acknowledge his flaws.

Rudy Gay doesn't really make sense to me...he was a sensational athlete in his younger days. Maybe Joe Johnson?

It's funny that people hate the Saddiq Bey comp so much. Bey was an Erving Award winner, Wooden finalist, All-Rookie 1st team. It's not like I compared him to some scrub. But I guess it's blasphemous to suggest that Cade will be anything less than ROY and sure-fire All-Star.

I've also made the Bey comp on here. Bey is used more as a shooter in his first pro year, but in college he was often the PnR initiator, he defended guards a lot, he did a lot of the stuff Cade does.

I'm not claiming it's an exact comp, but i used it in the context of asking "how much better is Cade than Saddiq in reality?". Both have plenty of development scope ahead of them and they could end up taking very divergent paths, but it's fair to wonder if Cade is really as elite a prospect as he's being projected.

[The Moose]

Let me put it this way. He’s very Rudy Gay/Turkoglu esque. Solid pro, but not the guy you want to build around. I don’t think that is hating, it’s just pointing out flaws. Too many MFers are looking at him with rose colored glasses and refuse to acknowledge his flaws.

Rudy Gay doesn't really make sense to me...he was a sensational athlete in his younger days. Maybe Joe Johnson?

It's funny that people hate the Saddiq Bey comp so much. Bey was an Erving Award winner, Wooden finalist, All-Rookie 1st team. It's not like I compared him to some scrub. But I guess it's blasphemous to suggest that Cade will be anything less than ROY and sure-fire All-Star.

I've also made the Bey comp on here. Bey is used more as a shooter in his first pro year, but in college he was often the PnR initiator, he defended guards a lot, he did a lot of the stuff Cade does.

I'm not claiming it's an exact comp, but i used it in the context of asking "how much better is Cade than Saddiq in reality?". Both have plenty of development scope ahead of them and they could end up taking very divergent paths, but it's fair to wonder if Cade is really as elite a prospect as he's being projected.

There are two major differences, which should be fairly obvious to anyone that has watched them both and thats their ability as isolation scorers and their ability to shoot off the dribble/create their own shot.

Bey was in the 36th percentile as an isolation scorer in the NCAA as a sophmore, Cade was 87th percentile as a freshman with a far higher usage. He was far better as an isolation scorer than Tatum, or Trae Young, or pretty much any player drafted in the top 10 in the past 5 or so years. Bey was 66th percentile around the rim, Cade was 82nd.
Cade was unassisted on 55% of his 3pt makes, Bey was unassisted on 8% of his 3pt makes.

Cade and Bey did not have a remotely similar usage or role in college, and they won't have one in the NBA either. There are other reasons why they are projected as far different players at the next level, but just those facets of their offensive game alone should say a lot.

[Charm]

When the game was on the line, especially towards the end of the season, Cade went to his trusty jumpshot again and again. He clearly didn’t trust his handle in traffic even against college defenses…it’s going to take a lot of improvement on his part to become a primary ballhandler type in the NBA.

[Big J]

Adam Morrison was one of the greatest ISO scorers ever in the NCAA. We all saw what happens when a guy who dominates that way in college without any burst tries the same thing against NBA athletes.

[The Moose]

When the game was on the line, especially towards the end of the season, Cade went to his trusty jumpshot again and again. He clearly didn’t trust his handle in traffic even against college defenses…it’s going to take a lot of improvement on his part to become a primary ballhandler type in the NBA.

seemed fairly effective for him considering the guy had almost double the amount of points in the clutch than any other player in the NCAA

but I agree, he's not a perfect prospect, his ball handling in half court traffic needs improvement, not sure why people think his ball handling is a finished product considering the improvement he has shown in other areas like his jumpshot

[The Moose]

Adam Morrison was one of the greatest ISO scorers ever in the NCAA. We all saw what happens when a guy who dominates that way in college without any burst tries the same thing against NBA athletes.

Your argument is his lack of burst, even though you can look and see plenty of successful players around the league who lack elite burst. Lack of burst can be overcome fairly easily in today's NBA. Morrison is not in the same league as a shooter as Cade either, he had literally 1 good season from 3 as a junior, was mediocre to poor as a shooter from 3pt and FT's every other season in the NCAA/NBA.

But we'll see, I'll come back and bump this thread myself if Cade looks like Adam Morrison out there

[Big J]

Adam Morrison was one of the greatest ISO scorers ever in the NCAA. We all saw what happens when a guy who dominates that way in college without any burst tries the same thing against NBA athletes.

Your argument is his lack of burst, even though you can look and see plenty of successful players around the league who lack elite burst. Lack of burst can be overcome fairly easily in today's NBA. Morrison is not in the same league as a shooter as Cade either, he had literally 1 good season from 3 as a junior, was mediocre to poor as a shooter from 3pt and FT's every other season in the NCAA/NBA.

But we'll see, I'll come back and bump this thread myself if Cade looks like Adam Morrison out there

How many good shooting seasons had Cade had …. right. Cade is obviously going to be better than Ammo, the thing is though, he has limitations that are going to render him to a fringe All Star level, and in the end he won’t even be close to the other top guys in this draft. I’m not trying to be a dick, I’m just pointing out some very obvious limitations to his game.

[The Moose]

Adam Morrison was one of the greatest ISO scorers ever in the NCAA. We all saw what happens when a guy who dominates that way in college without any burst tries the same thing against NBA athletes.

Your argument is his lack of burst, even though you can look and see plenty of successful players around the league who lack elite burst. Lack of burst can be overcome fairly easily in today's NBA. Morrison is not in the same league as a shooter as Cade either, he had literally 1 good season from 3 as a junior, was mediocre to poor as a shooter from 3pt and FT's every other season in the NCAA/NBA.

But we'll see, I'll come back and bump this thread myself if Cade looks like Adam Morrison out there

How many good shooting seasons had Cade had …. right. Cade is obviously going to be better than Ammo, the thing is though, he has limitations that are going to render him to a fringe All Star level, and in the end he won’t even be close to the other top guys in this draft. I’m not trying to be a dick, I’m just pointing out some very obvious limitations to his game.

Morrison was never a good ft shooter, unlike Cade, I'm not surprised Morrison's shooting didn't translate to the NBA.
His only limitation that can't be changed is his burst, and as we both know, there are elite players in the league right now who do not have an elite burst, therefore lack of burst should not be considered a sole reason for a player's ceiling to be a fringe all star. Of course he could end up a fringe all star, that could be said about any player in the draft (no matter how much you won't accept that possibility about Green), but it won't be purely because his lack of elite burst.

A limitation is something that can't be improved upon. His half court ball handling and turnovers are weaknesses, but they aren't limitations to his ceiling. They can be worked on and improved. You're essentially implying that anyone who lacks elite burst has a limit to their ceiling, and I just don't believe that to be the case looking at the players who are succeeding in the NBA right now. Will he ever be Lebron? Of course not, but there are plenty of players who are better than fringe all stars with no elite burst, you cannot dispute that, so to use that as the basis of reasoning for why his ceiling is a fringe all star isn't logical.