Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

[WuTang_OG]

Even if the cavs trade sexton they still have two top 5 picks to fill the backcourt in garland/okoro. Dont think it automatically means they’re leaning suggs

They want Garland running the point, Okoro to SG.

Their dream scenario is getting Jalen Green but hes not falling. I still think when the pressures on for them, they draft Kuminga/Barnes

[Bruin]

Days remaining:

[ItsDanger]

Cooper can't shoot, they'll just play off him. He's more of a late 1st rnd project

[KrazyP]

Cavs literally tank 3 years in a row giving Collin Sexton the keys to develop him and then they want to trade him to give the keys to a rookie to tank another 2 years to develop someone? So stupid

Exclusively building through tanking is a difficult task....especially when all these players coming into the league today are 19/20 yr olds. Many teams have to rinse and repeat if they dont land a game changing player and/or the player(s) they draft just dont develop the way they expect. The average player picked top 10 in the lotto the last 20 years = Norm Powell.

That said, the Raps are in a unique position. They have a great coaching and development system already in place and unlike most other tanking teams, they could turn around and start winning immediately as the bones of a playoff team are already in place. Its the ideal situation for a young player to develop in.

[PhilBlackson]

I have a sneaky suspicion that Sharife Cooper is the darkhorse for Toronto. If his Pro Day went as well as people say it did, and the shooting concerns are mitigated, I see him as the fourth best prospect.

The ability to create, play pick and roll, the elite quickness and shifty handle put him in an elite class. As I have mentioned before, this kid came up an elite scorer and I think has an Allen Iverson edge to him.

We just watched Trae Young and Chris Paul lead their teams and I think Toronto would be willing to draft a guy Cooper.

He has interviewed with Houston, OKC, Cleveland and Toronto among others. Considering the high picks, and the fact that Toronto only has a high first, there might be some momentum for Cooper that the draft community is missing.

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I give it next to no chance we use the 4th on him.

I do think on the otherhand Raps are thorough and just making sure they don't miss on anything AND moreso that they're also trying to get a look at picks in the late 1st because they have 2 picks they may be able to trade up for OR obtain a mid to late 1st in a long speculated S&T for Lowry in the off season.

[Mikistan]

you gotta think some teams do the draft interviews to build scouting reports for the coming season - you are gonna end up playing against a lot of these guys, so might as well know their strengths and waeaknesses early to game plan later more succinctly

[720]

you gotta think some teams do the draft interviews to build scouting reports for the coming season - you are gonna end up playing against a lot of these guys, so might as well know their strengths and waeaknesses early to game plan later more succinctly

Tolzman in his last press conference said part of the reason why they bring in guys not in their draft range is so that they could see what that player is about and that even if they don't get the player during the draft they could still go after them a few years later (Bembry being an example).

[MixxSRC]

you gotta think some teams do the draft interviews to build scouting reports for the coming season - you are gonna end up playing against a lot of these guys, so might as well know their strengths and waeaknesses early to game plan later more succinctly

Tolzman in his last press conference said part of the reason why they bring in guys not in their draft range is so that they could see what that player is about and even if they don't get the player during the draft they could still go after them a few years later (Bembry being an example).

True. they did that with so many guys

[Psubs]

Cooper can't shoot, they'll just play off him. He's more of a late 1st rnd project

He's like skinny Raymond Felton.

[Federalies]

Edit: my bad Reeko already posted, please,disregard!

A little Raptors draft break down by Adam Spinella.

2021 NBA Draft Primer: Toronto Raptors

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[alpngso]

Does anyone know whether there is controversy with Kuminga’s age?

I know it’s stigma with players from Africa but you can definitely hear whispers about him being older than 18 on twitter

[Dalek]

I have a sneaky suspicion that Sharife Cooper is the darkhorse for Toronto. If his Pro Day went as well as people say it did, and the shooting concerns are mitigated, I see him as the fourth best prospect.

The ability to create, play pick and roll, the elite quickness and shifty handle put him in an elite class. As I have mentioned before, this kid came up an elite scorer and I think has an Allen Iverson edge to him.

We just watched Trae Young and Chris Paul lead their teams and I think Toronto would be willing to draft a guy Cooper.

He has interviewed with Houston, OKC, Cleveland and Toronto among others. Considering the high picks, and the fact that Toronto only has a high first, there might be some momentum for Cooper that the draft community is missing.

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I think the way the draft is shaping up, it's hard to really know where Cooper goes. He's talented but undersized and has shooting concerns. Dude could go end of the lotto or could legit fall to the 2nd round. This is just Raps doing their due diligence, imo, in case he does fall.

I agree that the Raps are always thorough, but if as Tolzman said they have a narrow board at pick 4, I don't see the need to interview Cooper unless it may be the case he is in their top 10 at least. I don't think he will be around at 46/47 and like Tolzman said, they are having trouble getting prospects to workout/interview who are not in range.

Maybe it might be for trades, but I tend to think that Cooper had a huge impact for Auburn last year. Bruce Pearl said he was a pretty special class of player:

“Sharife is a once-every-ten-year fast-breaking, playmaking, transition, and ball-screen floor general with his ability to make plays for himself and others,” Pearl said. “He had a pied piper effect. He has the ability to bring other guys along with him which is great for a point guard.”

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/lottery-bound-i-7-lottery-teams-eye-auburn-star-i-bruce-pearl-to-nba-teams-sharife-cooper-is-a-once-every-10-year-point-guard/

[Dalek]

Cooper can't shoot, they'll just play off him. He's more of a late 1st rnd project

He's like skinny Raymond Felton.

Raymond Felton never put up numbers that Sharife Cooper did. You are talking about Felton who averaging 12 and 5 versus Cooper's 20 and 8 with teams narrowed in on stopping Cooper. I get that his percentages were not perfect, but this was a kid who came in 45 days into the season and just started pummeling teams and reinvented the offense for Auburn. I have little doubt he translates better than Felton did.

[Bruin]

Does anyone know whether there is controversy with Kuminga’s age?

I know it’s stigma with players from Africa but you can definitely hear whispers about him being older than 18 on twitter

I don’t think so. He’s young cause he reclassified. He was supposed to be in next years draft class but graduated high school a year early

[mtcan]

Does anyone know whether there is controversy with Kuminga’s age?

I know it’s stigma with players from Africa but you can definitely hear whispers about him being older than 18 on twitter

I don’t think so. He’s young cause he reclassified. He was supposed to be in next years draft class but graduated high school a year early

I can appreciate how raw his game is but...for his age and in the right circumstances...he could be quite a player.

[720]

Does anyone know whether there is controversy with Kuminga’s age?

I know it’s stigma with players from Africa but you can definitely hear whispers about him being older than 18 on twitter

I don't think so but lets say he is a year older. He reclassified to get drafted a year earlier (which is why he's a year younger than Suggs, Mobley, Green and Cade).

[mademan]

I have a sneaky suspicion that Sharife Cooper is the darkhorse for Toronto. If his Pro Day went as well as people say it did, and the shooting concerns are mitigated, I see him as the fourth best prospect.

The ability to create, play pick and roll, the elite quickness and shifty handle put him in an elite class. As I have mentioned before, this kid came up an elite scorer and I think has an Allen Iverson edge to him.

We just watched Trae Young and Chris Paul lead their teams and I think Toronto would be willing to draft a guy Cooper.

He has interviewed with Houston, OKC, Cleveland and Toronto among others. Considering the high picks, and the fact that Toronto only has a high first, there might be some momentum for Cooper that the draft community is missing.

Read on Twitter

I think the way the draft is shaping up, it's hard to really know where Cooper goes. He's talented but undersized and has shooting concerns. Dude could go end of the lotto or could legit fall to the 2nd round. This is just Raps doing their due diligence, imo, in case he does fall.

I agree that the Raps are always thorough, but if as Tolzman said they have a narrow board at pick 4, I don't see the need to interview Cooper unless it may be the case he is in their top 10 at least. I don't think he will be around at 46/47 and like Tolzman said, they are having trouble getting prospects to workout/interview who are not in range.

Maybe it might be for trades, but I tend to think that Cooper had a huge impact for Auburn last year. Bruce Pearl said he was a pretty special class of player:

“Sharife is a once-every-ten-year fast-breaking, playmaking, transition, and ball-screen floor general with his ability to make plays for himself and others,” Pearl said. “He had a pied piper effect. He has the ability to bring other guys along with him which is great for a point guard.”

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/lottery-bound-i-7-lottery-teams-eye-auburn-star-i-bruce-pearl-to-nba-teams-sharife-cooper-is-a-once-every-10-year-point-guard/

I dont think he'll far that far, but i do think 2nd round is very much in play for him. At which point, if the Raps like him enough, a trade up is possible

[Bruin]

https://theathletic.com/2700614/2021/07/12/rockets-trade-possibilities-who-says-no-in-potential-deals-for-no-2-pick-in-nba-draft/?source=user_shared_article

Offer: Raptors trade the No. 4 and No. 46 picks in the 2021 NBA Draft and a 2023 lottery-protected first-round pick for No. 2

Raptors beat writer Blake Murphy: The Raptors kicking in a mid-second and a future first is about the going rate for a move like this, in general. The lottery protection shouldn’t be a big deal, either, as the Raptors project to be within their competitive window when the pick conveys. For the Rockets, there’s the added benefit here of a Toronto offer tipping their hand. I think if the Raptors were to move up, it’d be to snag Mobley, which would mean Houston could be reasonably assured of still landing one of the elite guards in the class.

Deal or no deal?

We might actually have something here.

The good thing about dealing with another team picking in the top four is the benefit of still selecting a great prospect. I think what it would come down to would be Houston hedging their bets on their Raptors intel, believing that Toronto would take Evan Mobley. Doing so would leave the Cleveland Cavaliers the choice of Green or Suggs. I have to believe Houston would be content with either. If the Cavs take Green, the Rockets get Suggs, a bonafide playmaker with lockdown potential at the next level. He would be the heir to Wall’s throne. On top of that, Houston can use the 46th pick and package with their back-to-back selections at 23 and 24 to move even higher up to double dip, if that was the objective.

This deal is contingent on trusting Toronto taking Mobley, but I could see Houston agreeing to something like this.

[Reeko]

https://theathletic.com/2700614/2021/07/12/rockets-trade-possibilities-who-says-no-in-potential-deals-for-no-2-pick-in-nba-draft/?source=user_shared_article

Offer: Raptors trade the No. 4 and No. 46 picks in the 2021 NBA Draft and a 2023 lottery-protected first-round pick for No. 2

Raptors beat writer Blake Murphy: The Raptors kicking in a mid-second and a future first is about the going rate for a move like this, in general. The lottery protection shouldn’t be a big deal, either, as the Raptors project to be within their competitive window when the pick conveys. For the Rockets, there’s the added benefit here of a Toronto offer tipping their hand. I think if the Raptors were to move up, it’d be to snag Mobley, which would mean Houston could be reasonably assured of still landing one of the elite guards in the class.

Deal or no deal?

We might actually have something here.

The good thing about dealing with another team picking in the top four is the benefit of still selecting a great prospect. I think what it would come down to would be Houston hedging their bets on their Raptors intel, believing that Toronto would take Evan Mobley. Doing so would leave the Cleveland Cavaliers the choice of Green or Suggs. I have to believe Houston would be content with either. If the Cavs take Green, the Rockets get Suggs, a bonafide playmaker with lockdown potential at the next level. He would be the heir to Wall’s throne. On top of that, Houston can use the 46th pick and package with their back-to-back selections at 23 and 24 to move even higher up to double dip, if that was the objective.

This deal is contingent on trusting Toronto taking Mobley, but I could see Houston agreeing to something like this.

Heir to Wall's throne. Only throne Wall is sitting on is his toilet.

[InfraRedshaw]

I, for one, would love to see the Knicks go after, and re-up Sexton

Knicks have the highest cap space this summer to absorb Kevin Love and Sexton. It would be fun to watch... as a Raptors fan.

Feels like a very Knick-like thing to do, but would also put RJ in a tough spot... so I am no longer sure how I feel about this!