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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1141 » by mtcan » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:18 pm

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InfraRedshaw wrote:I, for one, would love to see the Knicks go after, and re-up Sexton


Knicks have the highest cap space this summer to absorb Kevin Love and Sexton. It would be fun to watch... as a Raptors fan.


Feels like a very Knick-like thing to do, but would also put RJ in a tough spot... so I am no longer sure how I feel about this! :-?

It is a Knicks move.

If you want to destroy any momentum and positive karma you might have gained in the past season...start by bringing a black hole on offense to take the ball out of the hands of your 2 best players...

Honestly...I don't think I have ever despised a player for the way he plays more than Sexton. He goes 1 on 5 on offense so many times a game. Oh...that rat tail on his head bothers me as well. :lol:
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1142 » by hyper316 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:26 pm

mtcan wrote:
InfraRedshaw wrote:
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Knicks have the highest cap space this summer to absorb Kevin Love and Sexton. It would be fun to watch... as a Raptors fan.


Feels like a very Knick-like thing to do, but would also put RJ in a tough spot... so I am no longer sure how I feel about this! :-?

It is a Knicks move.

If you want to destroy any momentum and positive karma you might have gained in the past season...start by bringing a black hole on offense to take the ball out of the hands of your 2 best players...

Honestly...I don't think I have ever despised a player for the way he plays more than Sexton. He goes 1 on 5 on offense so many times a game. Oh...that rat tail on his head bothers me as well. :lol:


I kinda liked Sexton's game - played well against Raptors this season. Just need to find a role for him - like Clarkson for the Jazz. Come off the bench and unlimited green light to score
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1143 » by Clutch0z24 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:27 pm

every time we interview a player this board going to say we drafting them lol....Guys the staff is going to interview lots of players mid lotto, late lotto, and eventually the Top 4 in this Class ...Its what you do....Its the draft process

The Raptors are not going to reach at 4 to grab a guy slotted to go in the 20s lol you have to interview especially with trades being a possibility as well you want a feel for more than 4 prospects in the draft for that reason
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1144 » by hyper316 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:31 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:every time we interview a player this board going to say we drafting them lol....Guys the staff is going to interview lots of players mid lotto, late lotto, and eventually the Top 4 in this Class ...Its what you do....Its the draft process

The Raptors are not going to reach at 4 to grab a guy slotted to go in the 20s lol you have to interview especially with trades being a possibility as well you want a feel for more than 4 prospects in the draft for that reason


Webster said in interview that they actually having more difficult interviewing players because they got the 4th pick. Players/agents projected to go later in the draft didn't want to interview, but Webster said you never know what happens on draft night if trades happen.

Not saying Raps will trade down with their 4th pick, but maybe acquire picks through trades
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1145 » by DG88 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:43 pm

Complex Mock Draft v2

With less than three weeks until the Pistons are on the clock and the combine behind us, the draft is rapidly approaching. Speaking of the Pistons being on the clock, will they be picking first on draft night? ESPN’s Jonathan Givony has already reported that the Pistons are gauging trade interest from teams around the league. Cleveland, Houston, New Orleans, and Oklahoma City have reportedly engaged the Pistons on what it might take to move up to the No. 1 spot to presumably take Cade Cunningham.


1. Pistons - Cade Cunningham, G, Oklahoma State

Cade Cunningham finally puts the Pistons back on the NBA map in a big way. With two picks from last year’s draft that made the All-NBA Rookie Team this season and Jerami Grant emerging as a legitimate NBA scorer, the cupboard is not completely bare in Detroit. How the Pistons are able to bring along Killian Hayes next to Cunningham will be interesting in the upcoming years, as Hayes does not project to have great spot up shooting next to a guy who is going to have the ball in his hands a lot.

Cunningham is another big wing with the mind of a point guard. His 6’8” frame and 7’ wingspan allow for him to see over the defense in transition and pick and roll to make passes that many of his peers cannot. The one concern going into his freshman season was his outside shooting, and then he proceeded to make 40 percent of his 155 attempts, 60 percent of which came unassisted. He turned the ball over a little more than you’d like and his overall FG% of 43 is not perfect, but he was the Cowboys’ entire offense and was forced to take shots he shouldn’t have to in the NBA. He is also a very stout defender who may be able to even play some small ball 4 to get as many shooters on the court as possible.

2. Rockets - Jalen Green, G, G League Ignite

This selection is feeling more and more probable with each passing day. Between IG Live comments from Kevin Porter Jr. on Jalen Greens’ stream and the lack of rumors connecting Houston and any other player, Green is the betting favorite to hear his name second on draft night. Between Porter, Jae’Sean Tate, and Christian Wood there is little to dissuade Houston from taking any player or position, so Jalen Green should slot right into a heavy workload from the start.

Jalen Green is one of the best pure two guards to come into the league in the last handful of drafts. He has excellent size, athleticism, and shot making ability. He has an advanced skill set for getting to the spots he feels most comfortable in. Playing in the G League, under NBA veteran Brian Shaw, he is more prepared for the Association than most teenagers. Green was able to take the reins of the Ignite team and lead them in scoring, 3-point attempts, and steals. Coach Shaw gushed about his ability, character, and focus during the G League bubble, even calling him an “inevitable star.”

3. Cavaliers - Evan Mobley, C, USC

Cleveland finally catches a break in the lottery after dropping back in the last three drafts. While none of their draft picks have bombed, the roster in Cleveland continues to be a work in progress. The result is a lopsided roster that still contains too many front court players and too few shooters or playmakers. The fact of the matter is that none of the players on the roster will dictate what general manager Koby Altman does on draft night, and Evan Mobley may be too unique for him to pass up on.

How will Evan Mobley fit in with the rest of the Cavs’ roster? Jarrett Allen figures to be back after Cleveland spent a first-round pick to acquire the impending restricted free agent. Losing Allen for nothing or trading him at a loss will not be as attractive to GM Koby Altman. There are a few schools of thought when it comes to what role Mobley might play on a Cavs team that features Allen at center and incumbent power forward Kevin Love. Could Mobley come off the bench to start his career, playing both front-court positions? This would allow for the team to bring him along more slowly while also pairing him with intriguing options such as Allen, Love, or Larry Nance Jr. This would allow for Mobley to hone his wide array of skills on both ends of the floor without being too duplicative. Mobley will continue to hang his hat on his elite rim protection and ability to switch on the perimeter while providing a high floor on offense. If Mobley can turn into a shooter or more assertive scorer, the Cavs won’t have to worry about finding him a spot in the starting rotation.

4. Raptors - Jalen Suggs, G, Gonzaga

Is there a better fit in the draft between team and player? Kyle Lowry is most likely going to be leaving the Raptors this summer and they could not be more fortunate to hand the keys over to Jalen Suggs. By plugging in Suggs, a mature lead guard that is used to deferring and doing whatever the team needs to win, Toronto should be back contending for a playoff spot next season.

Jalen Suggs starred for the No. 1 overall seed in the NCAA Tournament and did not disappoint, even if his team did in the national championship game. While it has become cliché to mention, Suggs is a former four-star quarterback recruit with offers from Ohio State and Georgia. It is easy to how Suggs can translate skills from one sport to the other, whether it’s getting downhill with the ball or fitting passes in between defenders. Gonzaga’s team did not ask him to shoulder all the scoring load, but when their team’s back was up against the wall, Suggs would more than not have the ball and would deliver. The wide-open NBA game will make it even easier for Suggs to get to the rim and punish teams for switching bigs or smaller guards onto him. There are some aspects of his game that he could clean up, including his 3-point shot, turnovers, and off ball discipline, but Toronto should have one of the better environments for him to succeed in.

5. Magic - Jonathan Kuminga, F, G League Ignite

Orlando hit the reset button this season by sending their best player to Chicago and their second-best player to Denver. The organization maxed out what they could do with Nikola Vucevic and Aaron Gordon, so they collected more draft picks and guys still on their rookie deals as lottery tickets. Magic GM John Hammond came from Milwaukee and you can see how that has influenced his drafting in Orlando. The only problem, they haven’t picked their Giannis yet, so the rest of the pieces have not fell into place.

Jonathan Kuminga is somewhat of an enigma in this class. Once thought to have a chance to go No. 1 overall, Kuminga enjoyed up-and-down season during his short stint on the G League Ignite. Kuminga has a strong, thick, and developed body that will allow him to survive on both ends in the NBA right away. His role on the Ignite team afforded him the opportunity to play with the ball in his hands and make the types of decisions he would not have been able to do on most college teams. The results were mixed, as his shooting percentages were below average from most areas of the court, but his flashes reminded everyone why he was so highly touted in the first place. Will this experience allow for him to grow more quickly as a big wing creator? On a team like the Magic, he will get every opportunity to grow in a low-pressure situation.


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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1146 » by Yallbecrazy » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:45 pm

There's a clear top 3 for me,
1: Mobley
2: Sengun
3: Suggs
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4: Barnes, Cade, Green
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1147 » by PhilBlackson » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:55 pm

PrinceAli wrote:https://theathletic.com/2700614/2021/07/12/rockets-trade-possibilities-who-says-no-in-potential-deals-for-no-2-pick-in-nba-draft/?source=user_shared_article
Offer: Raptors trade the No. 4 and No. 46 picks in the 2021 NBA Draft and a 2023 lottery-protected first-round pick for No. 2

Raptors beat writer Blake Murphy: The Raptors kicking in a mid-second and a future first is about the going rate for a move like this, in general. The lottery protection shouldn’t be a big deal, either, as the Raptors project to be within their competitive window when the pick conveys. For the Rockets, there’s the added benefit here of a Toronto offer tipping their hand. I think if the Raptors were to move up, it’d be to snag Mobley, which would mean Houston could be reasonably assured of still landing one of the elite guards in the class.

Deal or no deal?

We might actually have something here.

The good thing about dealing with another team picking in the top four is the benefit of still selecting a great prospect. I think what it would come down to would be Houston hedging their bets on their Raptors intel, believing that Toronto would take Evan Mobley. Doing so would leave the Cleveland Cavaliers the choice of Green or Suggs. I have to believe Houston would be content with either. If the Cavs take Green, the Rockets get Suggs, a bonafide playmaker with lockdown potential at the next level. He would be the heir to Wall’s throne. On top of that, Houston can use the 46th pick and package with their back-to-back selections at 23 and 24 to move even higher up to double dip, if that was the objective.

This deal is contingent on trusting Toronto taking Mobley, but I could see Houston agreeing to something like this.


I only wish Murphy knew wth he's talking about lol

"Have to believe Houston would be content with either"

He has to actually provide substance behind it outside of "replace John Wall" as a reason to also be ok with getting Suggs lol...the Rockets don't give a damn about Wall, the trade was done to get WAS pick. The idea that HOU would be making decisions based on replacing anything to do with him is laughable.

I just wish it was substantiated by some rumors that the Rockets actually like Suggs so therefore they'd be ok with it. Because I know I would be ok with that deal especially with lottery protection because I have no doubts we'd turn Mobley into a monster and as such he'd drastically change our team ceiling long term.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1148 » by C_Money » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:56 pm

Jonahan Kuminga
Keon Johnson
Jalen Johnson
Kai Jones
Zhaire Williams

All projected lottery picks that have the physical tools but can’t actually play the game. These players end up being busts 8 times out of 10. It’ll be hilarious to see who wastes a top pick on them. I’m guessing the Kings will be one.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1149 » by WuTang_OG » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:00 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:There's a clear top 3 for me,
1: Mobley
2: Sengun
3: Suggs
Gap
4: Barnes, Cade, Green
Gap
everyone else


The discussion on Sengun is going to be fun in 2 years and see where people had him. Seems everyone has him as the next Jokic or the next bust. He'll likely be somewhere in the middle like a Kanter impact.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1150 » by Yallbecrazy » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:00 pm

C_Money wrote:Jonahan Kuminga
Keon Johnson
Jalen Johnson
Kai Jones
Zhaire Williams

All projected lottery picks that have the physical tools but can’t actually play the game. These players end up being busts 8 times out of 10. It’ll be hilarious to see who wastes a top pick on them. I’m guessing the Kings will be one.



I couldn't agree more.

I would say anyone that has any of those 5 ahead of Sengun should forfeit their right to ever make public their basketball scouting views.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1151 » by PT416 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:05 pm

They got Sengun going 32 on nbadraft.net ...
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1152 » by Psubs » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:08 pm

PT416 wrote:They got Sengun going 32 on nbadraft.net ...


Prkacin > Sengun :nod:
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Post#1153 » by PhilBlackson » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:14 pm

C_Money wrote:Jonahan Kuminga
Keon Johnson
Jalen Johnson
Kai Jones
Zhaire Williams

All projected lottery picks that have the physical tools but can’t actually play the game. These players end up being busts 8 times out of 10. It’ll be hilarious to see who wastes a top pick on them. I’m guessing the Kings will be one.


Kings have apparently given a promise to Franz Wagner so believe It or not prob won't be them lol

I think the actual answer is OKC.

The Thunder like no other team before have the ultimate freedom to "Take a Flyer On..." ever.

...and I believe they will on MANY players at once until they filter through to the ones that stick and show actual potential to be stars.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1154 » by Psubs » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:18 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
Yallbecrazy wrote:There's a clear top 3 for me,
1: Mobley
2: Sengun
3: Suggs
Gap
4: Barnes, Cade, Green
Gap
everyone else


The discussion on Sengun is going to be fun in 2 years and see where people had him. Seems everyone has him as the next Jokic or the next bust. He'll likely be somewhere in the middle like a Kanter impact.


At best Sabonis' level. Maybe it's current Kevin Love.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1155 » by DG88 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:19 pm

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PT416 wrote:They got Sengun going 32 on nbadraft.net ...


Prkacin > Sengun :nod:

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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1156 » by VanWest82 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:24 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:I just wish it was substantiated by some rumors that the Rockets actually like Suggs so therefore they'd be ok with it. Because I know I would be ok with that deal especially with lottery protection because I have no doubts we'd turn Mobley into a monster and as such he'd drastically change our team ceiling long term.


Houston probably isn't trading the pick but we can always hope Cleveland is just stupid and passes on Mobley because they need a forward. That can be substantiated by their actual drafting history.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1157 » by Pooper » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:25 pm

Dalek wrote:I have a sneaky suspicion that Sharife Cooper is the darkhorse for Toronto. If his Pro Day went as well as people say it did, and the shooting concerns are mitigated, I see him as the fourth best prospect.

The ability to create, play pick and roll, the elite quickness and shifty handle put him in an elite class. As I have mentioned before, this kid came up an elite scorer and I think has an Allen Iverson edge to him.

We just watched Trae Young and Chris Paul lead their teams and I think Toronto would be willing to draft a guy Cooper.

He has interviewed with Houston, OKC, Cleveland and Toronto among others. Considering the high picks, and the fact that Toronto only has a high first, there might be some momentum for Cooper that the draft community is missing.

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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1158 » by Dalek » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:43 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:every time we interview a player this board going to say we drafting them lol....Guys the staff is going to interview lots of players mid lotto, late lotto, and eventually the Top 4 in this Class ...Its what you do....Its the draft process

The Raptors are not going to reach at 4 to grab a guy slotted to go in the 20s lol you have to interview especially with trades being a possibility as well you want a feel for more than 4 prospects in the draft for that reason


I think it is fair to make the assumption that Toronto interviews a ton of guys from a number of ranges.

What I will say is that whatever the "consensus" is this year is a lot of guesswork. You have Cade Cunningham who the most likely consensus #1, and then there is the rest of the players. I would normally put Evan Mobley at no. 2, but honestly his position is not absolute. Guards and Forwards rule the NBA as being the most likely to be impactful as potential franchise players. Cs always take longer to develop. Look at how long it took Ayton to work out. We are still waiting on guys like JJJ and Mo Bamba.

What I do think is that teams would put a high value on guys you can run the offense through and have shown themselves to be high skill and high performance players.

I wouldn't discount guys like Alperen Sengun, Sharife Cooper and Tre Mann who actually were offensive hubs for their teams and showed a high level of skill and leadership despite being young guys.

A player like Suggs was much more interesting in high school. I wonder if he would have been more spectacular on a different team than Gonzaga. Playing with Andrew Nembhard makes me think he wasn't always suited to be a lead. I don't think Toronto should aim for a 1b or lower starter, so I am trying not to just go with consensus thinking and really look at the guys who are true game changers.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1159 » by PhilBlackson » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:46 pm

VanWest82 wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:I just wish it was substantiated by some rumors that the Rockets actually like Suggs so therefore they'd be ok with it. Because I know I would be ok with that deal especially with lottery protection because I have no doubts we'd turn Mobley into a monster and as such he'd drastically change our team ceiling long term.


Houston probably isn't trading the pick but we can always hope Cleveland is just stupid and passes on Mobley because they need a forward. That can be substantiated by their actual drafting history.


Tbh I don't think their recent draft history under Altman has been so off base. Not saying that I agree with their picks but I don't think that they veered horribly off course from most projected mock drafts in the range they choose the players they did. Not the same crew responsible for Bennett.

But I do have the smallest glimmers of hope because they still really don't know what they're doing as evidenced with Drummond and Love lol so we'll see...
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1160 » by HolyMage110 » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:53 pm

Not gonna lie, the more I watch Barnes, the more intrigued I get. Dude can be a stud with our development program
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