Tobias Harris Trade Thread

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #81 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:23 pm

Tobias at PF ain't getting us nowhere. He ain't elite or good enough. I'm not riding or dying to appease Embiid.. sorry...

I'm all for Simmons and Embiid til the end tho. Elite talent is hard to get and have. I want to appreciate them while we have them...

Get I wish I was an all-star Tobias outta here.

yuuby · Post #82 » by **yuuby** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:29 pm

Lets keep building around two centers in the modern NBA sounds like a great plan.

Sportfan73 · Post #83 » by **Sportfan73** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:36 pm

yuuby wrote:Lets keep building around two centers in the modern NBA sounds like a great plan.

You build around elite talent period

yuuby · Post #84 » by **yuuby** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:39 pm

Sportfan73 wrote:
yuuby wrote:Lets keep building around two centers in the modern NBA sounds like a great plan.

You build around elite talent period

Using elite in regard to Simmons is quite the stretch. He is a low level all star at best and probably is sub all star level. He also is not close to elite in the playoffs.

Post #85 » by **Stanford** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:43 pm

How is Ben Simmons even a center?

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #86 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:43 pm

Bro he's a 3x all-star and 2 time 1st team all league defender at 24 years old. Yo stop hating on him.

Tobias gotta be the first to go for a shot creator.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #87 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:45 pm

Ben is a positional less ball player he can pretty much play every where but shooting guard. He is best fitted at PF with Embiid and 2 guards and a wing .

Sportfan73 · Post #88 » by **Sportfan73** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:49 pm

If it’s not the straight swap, some type of framework that’s Tobias to team A

Matisse/28/ and assets/expirings from team A to team B

Shot creating guard to Philly

yuuby · Post #89 » by **yuuby** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:50 pm

Stanford wrote:How is Ben Simmons even a center?

Thinking Basketball: Ben Simmons Analysis, 2019 - The Point Big Man

https://youtu.be/2x3-B4ogAqA

Its funny how that video was made 2 years ago yet everything he pointed out still applies.

Ben Simmons is a center in the modern NBA and that is the fundamental problem we have. Need to sell that to the team we are trading him to.

Tjarks: Ben Simmons is a Center not a Point Guard

https://www.theringer.com/2019/5/9/18537564/play-ben-simmons-at-center-philadelphia-76ers-joel-embiid

The above article is also from 2 years ago and makes the case that Ben is a center.

Its weird how the front office has failed to see that.

We drafted four centers in a row with high lottery picks. Should have stopped when we got Embiid the only great one of the 4 we drafted.

Ben Simmons literally has the shot chart of a rim running center. He has the free throw percentage of a rim running center. His role on the half court is dribble hand offs and rim rolling which is the role of a center. He hides in the dunker sport which is the role of a center?

Simmons is clearly a center in the half court. What other position can he even play in the half court?

yuuby · Post #90 » by **yuuby** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:52 pm

LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Ben is a positional less ball player he can pretty much play every where but shooting guard. He is best fitted at PF with Embiid and 2 guards and a wing .

If you cant shoot in the NBA and all your scoring is from inside 3 feet you are a center on offense.

Ben can play any position on defense. Hes a point guard in transition. He is a center in the half court.

Transition only accounts for 20% of possessions. In the other 80% of the game he is a center.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #91 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:53 pm

Ok Embiid's a PF and Simmons a C ok fixed.

76ciology · Post #92 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:56 pm

Good news for Tobi fans.

Looks like there’s a lot of teams looking to trade for Sexton or someone similar, thus it may need to take more than Tobi to acquire a guy like him.

Warriors is also looking to trade for Dame. I’m guessing Wiseman and 7th would be the starting offer

Sportfan73 · Post #93 » by **Sportfan73** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:59 pm

76ciology wrote:Good news for Tobi fans.

Looks like there’s a lot of teams looking to trade for Sexton or someone similar, thus it may need to take more than Tobi to acquire a guy like him.

Warriors is also looking to trade for Dame. I’m guessing Wiseman and 7th would be the starting offer

We should be the team looking to trade Tobi for sexton or someone similar

76ciology · Post #94 » by **76ciology** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:03 pm

IM NOT SAYING ITS IDEAL BUT IM SAYING IT CAN WORK.

Does not matter if you play with two bigs. As long as both can dominate the game alternately.

Biid is more of a mid range shooter anyway

Something like this:

Watch on YouTube

The problem why the AD/DMC duo didnt work is because they lack talent on other areas that lead them not to get the other guys involve. The Kyrie-Bron and AD-Bron squad also suffers from the same problem. PG and Kawhi also but not totally. You need a couple of these guys dropping combined 60-80 pts to beat great teams

If Ben can drop 30pts regularly and both him and Biid drops 60-80 pts when needed, i guarantee you we’d be a lot better and not having problems beating less talented teams in the playoffs.

If you are watching the finals. Imagine Bucks having a couple of Giannis where they take turns taking over quarters. The current problem of the bucks is similar to us, and previous weak LeBron teams. Where Lebron and Embiid would need to take over games to keep the game close. And by the time its the fourth, they’ll run out of gas.

There are two ways to win a championship.
- OP in talent (lebron teams)
- beautiful game (spurs, warriors and suns)

You can do both with Embiid by pairing him with 1-2 superstars to form a superteam or pair with a good backcourt duo (2 of lavine, fox, cj, sexton or SGA)

yuuby · Post #95 » by **yuuby** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:10 pm

76ciology wrote:IM NOT SAYING ITS IDEAL BUT IM SAYING IT CAN WORK.

Does not matter if you play with two bigs. As long as both can dominate the game alternately.

Biid is more of a mid range shooter anyway

Something like this:

Watch on YouTube

The problem why the AD/DMC duo didnt work is because they lack talent on other areas that lead them not to get the other guys involve. The Kyrie-Bron and AD-Bron squad also suffers from the same problem. PG and Kawhi also but not totally. You need a couple of these guys dropping combined 60-80 pts to beat great teams

If Ben can drop 30pts regularly and both him and Biid drops 60-80 pts when needed, i guarantee you we’d be a lot better and not having problems beating less talented teams in the playoffs.

There are two ways to win a championship.
- OP in talent (lebron teams)
- beautiful game (spurs, warriors and suns)

You can do both with Embiid by pairing him with 1-2 superstars to form a superteam or pair with a good backcourt duo (2 of lavine, fox, cj, sexton or SGA)

Isnt the AD/DMC example proving the contrary though?

The team was way better when they put Mirotic at PF next to AD at C. Thats how they went on the late season run to make the playoffs and also how they beat Portland.

DMC and AD had a losing record in games played together which is a sign of their bad fit.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #96 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:19 pm

Embiid and Ben are a compatible frontcourt. They need Tobias traded for a alpha guard who can create.

Sportfan73 · Post #97 » by **Sportfan73** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:30 pm

LeonJordanJr24 wrote:Embiid and Ben are a compatible frontcourt. They need Tobias traded for a alpha guard who can create.

And will shoot 7+ 3pa’s per game

mjkvol · Post #98 » by **mjkvol** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:13 pm

Mik317 wrote:Again...kinda need something to happen asap so we can move on to that part of this in which we talk ourselves into New GuyMcNewerson as the savior already

Think he can be had for Tobi? That guy's got it all - shot creator, volume 3 pt. shooter, plays enough D - he'd be perfect.

youngcrev · Post #99 » by **youngcrev** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:21 pm

yuuby wrote:
Stanford wrote:How is Ben Simmons even a center?

Thinking Basketball: Ben Simmons Analysis, 2019 - The Point Big Man

https://youtu.be/2x3-B4ogAqA

Its funny how that video was made 2 years ago yet everything he pointed out still applies.

Ben Simmons is a center in the modern NBA and that is the fundamental problem we have. Need to sell that to the team we are trading him to.

Tjarks: Ben Simmons is a Center not a Point Guard

https://www.theringer.com/2019/5/9/18537564/play-ben-simmons-at-center-philadelphia-76ers-joel-embiid

The above article is also from 2 years ago and makes the case that Ben is a center.

Its weird how the front office has failed to see that.

We drafted four centers in a row with high lottery picks. Should have stopped when we got Embiid the only great one of the 4 we drafted.

Ben Simmons literally has the shot chart of a rim running center. He has the free throw percentage of a rim running center. His role on the half court is dribble hand offs and rim rolling which is the role of a center. He hides in the dunker sport which is the role of a center?

Simmons is clearly a center in the half court. What other position can he even play in the half court?

He's also arguably the best perimeter defender in the league and not a rim protector... So not a center?

Not being able to shoot isn't the only qualifier of a center.

I'd like to see them experiment with it for stretches with a switch everything unit to have a different look when Embiid goes to the bench, but I don't think that's his primary spot.

You can be a roll man as a 4. AD and John Collins are among the best in the league at it.

yuuby · Post #100 » by **yuuby** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:28 pm

youngcrev wrote:He's also arguably the best perimeter defender in the league and not a rim protector... So not a center?

Not being able to shoot isn't the only qualifier of a center.

I'd like to see them experiment with it for stretches with a switch everything unit to have a different look when Embiid goes to the bench, but I don't think that's his primary spot.

You can be a roll man as a 4. AD and John Collins are among the best in the league at it.

Those two guys take 95% of their shots within 5 feet of the basket?

Name a single player since 2010 who shoots 95% of their shots within 5 feet who isnt a center?

Sabonis cant protect the rim yet he is still a center. Sabonis' role in the half court is what Simmons should be aiming at.