Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[Howard Cosell]

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Losing my guy McDaniels would hurt.

The fact that all of this is clearly being leaked to the local guys still makes me wonder if this is just Rosas doing his close friend Morey a favor by attempting to pump up Simmons’ value somewhat. Simmons is getting killed publicly. For someone so clearly psychologically fragile, one has to wonder what things like the ESPY skit will do to him.

Pump up Simmons by saying he isn't going to trade anything of value for him? Bottom line is you have to give something to get something. Getting Simmons will cost ya Edwards.

LOL!

If 76ers FO perception of Simmons trade value is as delusional as the 76ers fanbase the conversation between Rosas and Morey lasted 2 minutes and there is no need for follow up phone calls.

Twolves will have zero interest in bidding on Simmons and won’t take part in some back n forth with Morey if it costs Edwards. Absolutely ridiculous.

Simmons has some value but it’s not anywhere close to what 76ers fanbase is dreaming about here in last 2 weeks.

[BlacJacMac]

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Losing my guy McDaniels would hurt.

The fact that all of this is clearly being leaked to the local guys still makes me wonder if this is just Rosas doing his close friend Morey a favor by attempting to pump up Simmons’ value somewhat. Simmons is getting killed publicly. For someone so clearly psychologically fragile, one has to wonder what things like the ESPY skit will do to him.

Pump up Simmons by saying he isn't going to trade anything of value for him? Bottom line is you have to give something to get something. Getting Simmons will cost ya Edwards.

You guys should trade him to the Lakers for LeBron and Davis.

[Nick K]

Losing my guy McDaniels would hurt.

The fact that all of this is clearly being leaked to the local guys still makes me wonder if this is just Rosas doing his close friend Morey a favor by attempting to pump up Simmons’ value somewhat. Simmons is getting killed publicly. For someone so clearly psychologically fragile, one has to wonder what things like the ESPY skit will do to him.

Pump up Simmons by saying he isn't going to trade anything of value for him? Bottom line is you have to give something to get something. Getting Simmons will cost ya Edwards.

You guys should trade him to the Lakers for LeBron and Davis.

Bravo. Touche'! You forgot the 2 first round picks to go with them.

[wat_machine]

As a sixers fan, I wouldn’t even ask for ant or draft picks, I just want beasley, mcdaniels and rubio. I feel like that’s a reasonable ask, but I get if wolves fans aren’t interested

[shrink]

If we trade for Simmons and dont send out DLO we will have three flawed incomplete players at a 30m dollar level.

I dont get what the obsession here is. If we want a facilitator who can't finish or shoot and is a great floor general we already have Rubio. Simmons is just a 6'10 fusion of Rubio and Okogie.

Did you notice how many +1's you have?

I couldn't agree more. Looks like many others agree too.

Yeah .. that’s a huge number of And 1’s for this board.

I get frustrated on the trade board when partisan PHI fans who decide that anyone who doesn’t agree with their high valuation of Simmons must be lying, trying to drive down the price on an internet chat board (no idea what they think the gain of that is!). The fact that there are 10 posters so far that agree with Nick’s position, placed on the MIN board where most people don’t see it, shows the PHI posters accusations are false. This is how they feel about Simmons.

[Domejandro]

If we trade for Simmons and dont send out DLO we will have three flawed incomplete players at a 30m dollar level.

I dont get what the obsession here is. If we want a facilitator who can't finish or shoot and is a great floor general we already have Rubio. Simmons is just a 6'10 fusion of Rubio and Okogie.

Did you notice how many +1's you have?

I couldn't agree more. Looks like many others agree too.

Yeah .. that’s a huge number of And 1’s for this board.

I get frustrated on the trade board when partisan PHI fans who decide that anyone who doesn’t agree with their high valuation of Simmons must be lying, trying to drive down the price on an internet chat board (no idea what they think the gain of that is!). The fact that there are 10 posters so far that agree with Nick’s position, placed on the MIN board where most people don’t see it, shows the PHI posters accusations are false. This is how they feel about Simmons.

80% of the And-1's are Minnesota fans, literally the same argument can be made about Minnesota fan partisanship.

[SO_MONEY]

Did you notice how many +1's you have?

I couldn't agree more. Looks like many others agree too.

Yeah .. that’s a huge number of And 1’s for this board.

I get frustrated on the trade board when partisan PHI fans who decide that anyone who doesn’t agree with their high valuation of Simmons must be lying, trying to drive down the price on an internet chat board (no idea what they think the gain of that is!). The fact that there are 10 posters so far that agree with Nick’s position, placed on the MIN board where most people don’t see it, shows the PHI posters accusations are false. This is how they feel about Simmons.

80% of the And-1's are Minnesota fans, literally the same argument can be made about Minnesota fan partisanship.

Perhaps, but what I find most interesting and very telling is that if a player is available and they were a true star the debate would be more about where the franchise is and if it is the right timing to go for it, rather than the polarized takes on that players actual talent level, value, worth and if you can build with him or not ect... Most times if a star can be had you have a heck of a lot more excitement, in the case of Simmons, I think there is a lot of skepticism, indifference and even disinterest where you would expect the opposite should he be in demand in some collective sense. If fans have that sinking feeling, just think where a GM is at who's job depends on it and needs to justify it to management financially and to fans from a marketing perspective. I don't think the takes from MN fans or other teams in the mix who only want him if the cost is low is far off of what the league thinks in comparison to the thinking of more emotionally attached fans to a player.

[Domejandro]

Yeah .. that’s a huge number of And 1’s for this board.

I get frustrated on the trade board when partisan PHI fans who decide that anyone who doesn’t agree with their high valuation of Simmons must be lying, trying to drive down the price on an internet chat board (no idea what they think the gain of that is!). The fact that there are 10 posters so far that agree with Nick’s position, placed on the MIN board where most people don’t see it, shows the PHI posters accusations are false. This is how they feel about Simmons.

80% of the And-1's are Minnesota fans, literally the same argument can be made about Minnesota fan partisanship.

Perhaps, but what I find most interesting and very telling is that if a player is available and they were a true star the debate would be more about where the franchise is and if it is the right timing to go for it, rather than the polarized takes on that players actual talent level, value, worth and if you can build with him or not ect... Most times if a star can be had you have a heck of a lot more excitement, in the case of Simmons, I think there is a lot of skepticism, indifference and even disinterest where you would expect the opposite should he be in demand in some collective sense. If fans have that sinking feeling, just think where a GM is at who's job depends on it and needs to justify it to management financially and to fans from a marketing perspective. I don't think the takes from MN fans or other teams in the mix who only want him if the cost is low is far off of what the league thinks in comparison to the thinking of more emotionally attached fans to a player.

For years, I was told how trading for Chris Paul would be insane for a million and five reasons (age, injuries, malcontent (???), contract, etc.) by the same Minnesota fans who can't seem to grasp how Ben Simmons is elite at every single aspect of the game except for shooting (which is serious enough to make him a potential trade target).

I purposefully don't engage with this topic on this forum because of how bad I think the takes are (makes more sense to not engage than waste a ton of time going over the same data/information I have already explained multiple times), but the suggestion that ten likes on a Minnesota board is representative of anything more than the predominant Minnesota fan perspective was funny enough to at least take a snipe towards.

[King Malta]

As a sixers fan, I wouldn’t even ask for ant or draft picks, I just want beasley, mcdaniels and rubio. I feel like that’s a reasonable ask, but I get if wolves fans aren’t interested

Look, I love McDaniels and believe in his potential, but if this trade was actually on the table I'd pull the trigger immediately.

[shrink]

Did you notice how many +1's you have?

I couldn't agree more. Looks like many others agree too.

Yeah .. that’s a huge number of And 1’s for this board.

I get frustrated on the trade board when partisan PHI fans who decide that anyone who doesn’t agree with their high valuation of Simmons must be lying, trying to drive down the price on an internet chat board (no idea what they think the gain of that is!). The fact that there are 10 posters so far that agree with Nick’s position, placed on the MIN board where most people don’t see it, shows the PHI posters accusations are false. This is how they feel about Simmons.

80% of the And-1's are Minnesota fans, literally the same argument can be made about Minnesota fan partisanship.

You’re missing the point. Re-read my post.

The accusation of the PHI fans is that MIN posters that don’t value Simmons as high as they do isn’t that the MIN fans are wrong. The accusation is that they are LYING, and really do value Simmons highly.

These MIN fans aren’t lying.

[shrink]

80% of the And-1's are Minnesota fans, literally the same argument can be made about Minnesota fan partisanship.

Perhaps, but what I find most interesting and very telling is that if a player is available and they were a true star the debate would be more about where the franchise is and if it is the right timing to go for it, rather than the polarized takes on that players actual talent level, value, worth and if you can build with him or not ect... Most times if a star can be had you have a heck of a lot more excitement, in the case of Simmons, I think there is a lot of skepticism, indifference and even disinterest where you would expect the opposite should he be in demand in some collective sense. If fans have that sinking feeling, just think where a GM is at who's job depends on it and needs to justify it to management financially and to fans from a marketing perspective. I don't think the takes from MN fans or other teams in the mix who only want him if the cost is low is far off of what the league thinks in comparison to the thinking of more emotionally attached fans to a player.

For years, I was told how trading for Chris Paul would be insane for a million and five reasons (age, injuries, malcontent (???), contract, etc.) by the same Minnesota fans who can't seem to grasp how Ben Simmons is elite at every single aspect of the game except for shooting (which is serious enough to make him a potential trade target).

Not only serious enough to be a trade target - serious enough to sink the Sixers in the playoffs!

Who’d have thought it? $30 million dollar basketball players need to be able to put the basketball in the basket!

“Mrs Lincoln, that play was elite in every single aspect except for one.”

[Klomp]

80% of the And-1's are Minnesota fans, literally the same argument can be made about Minnesota fan partisanship.

Perhaps, but what I find most interesting and very telling is that if a player is available and they were a true star the debate would be more about where the franchise is and if it is the right timing to go for it, rather than the polarized takes on that players actual talent level, value, worth and if you can build with him or not ect... Most times if a star can be had you have a heck of a lot more excitement, in the case of Simmons, I think there is a lot of skepticism, indifference and even disinterest where you would expect the opposite should he be in demand in some collective sense. If fans have that sinking feeling, just think where a GM is at who's job depends on it and needs to justify it to management financially and to fans from a marketing perspective. I don't think the takes from MN fans or other teams in the mix who only want him if the cost is low is far off of what the league thinks in comparison to the thinking of more emotionally attached fans to a player.

For years, I was told how trading for Chris Paul would be insane for a million and five reasons (age, injuries, malcontent (???), contract, etc.) by the same Minnesota fans who can't seem to grasp how Ben Simmons is elite at every single aspect of the game except for shooting (which is serious enough to make him a potential trade target).

I purposefully don't engage with this topic on this forum because of how bad I think the takes are (makes more sense to not engage than waste a ton of time going over the same data/information I have already explained multiple times), but the suggestion that ten likes on a Minnesota board is representative of anything more than the predominant Minnesota fan perspective was funny enough to at least take a snipe towards.

Don't forget that short PGs can't do anything once they get older!

[shrink]

Perhaps, but what I find most interesting and very telling is that if a player is available and they were a true star the debate would be more about where the franchise is and if it is the right timing to go for it, rather than the polarized takes on that players actual talent level, value, worth and if you can build with him or not ect... Most times if a star can be had you have a heck of a lot more excitement, in the case of Simmons, I think there is a lot of skepticism, indifference and even disinterest where you would expect the opposite should he be in demand in some collective sense. If fans have that sinking feeling, just think where a GM is at who's job depends on it and needs to justify it to management financially and to fans from a marketing perspective. I don't think the takes from MN fans or other teams in the mix who only want him if the cost is low is far off of what the league thinks in comparison to the thinking of more emotionally attached fans to a player.

For years, I was told how trading for Chris Paul would be insane for a million and five reasons (age, injuries, malcontent (???), contract, etc.) by the same Minnesota fans who can't seem to grasp how Ben Simmons is elite at every single aspect of the game except for shooting (which is serious enough to make him a potential trade target).

I purposefully don't engage with this topic on this forum because of how bad I think the takes are (makes more sense to not engage than waste a ton of time going over the same data/information I have already explained multiple times), but the suggestion that ten likes on a Minnesota board is representative of anything more than the predominant Minnesota fan perspective was funny enough to at least take a snipe towards.

Don't forget that short PGs can't do anything once they get older!

Meh. If you are saying that other posters should have predicted this, you are saying that what Chris Paul is doing is common.

I think what he (and LeBron) are doing at their age is exceptional, and groundbreaking,

[Klomp]

Perhaps, but what I find most interesting and very telling is that if a player is available and they were a true star the debate would be more about where the franchise is and if it is the right timing to go for it, rather than the polarized takes on that players actual talent level, value, worth and if you can build with him or not ect... Most times if a star can be had you have a heck of a lot more excitement, in the case of Simmons, I think there is a lot of skepticism, indifference and even disinterest where you would expect the opposite should he be in demand in some collective sense. If fans have that sinking feeling, just think where a GM is at who's job depends on it and needs to justify it to management financially and to fans from a marketing perspective. I don't think the takes from MN fans or other teams in the mix who only want him if the cost is low is far off of what the league thinks in comparison to the thinking of more emotionally attached fans to a player.

I think there's one big reason why Minnesota fans are skeptical.

James. Butler.

I think that's an underlying reason why fans were skeptical about the Russell trade (and haven't really even given it a chance yet) and why they're skeptical about Simmons.

Jimmy burned us. But let's not forget where he got us to as well. He was a huge reason we snapped the playoff streak. We were 29-17 going into the game he first got hurt and 36-25 when he went out the second time, both times in fourth place. We got up to third shortly after with games against poor competition.

Would Karl, Ant, D'Angelo and Ben be the foursome to take us all the way to the Finals? It might not be. But I don't want to be wondering 'what if' about a reasonably realistic opportunity to acquire an all-NBA player if it gives us a similar infusion in talent. Do I want to give up McDaniels? No, not really. Would I if push came to shove? I'd be foolish to not at least consider making the deal if that's the piece I'm most worried about losing.

As for trading "most of our future" in picks as someone mentioned a page back, with the Stepien rule we're only talking about every other year losing a 1st.

[Klomp]

Perhaps, but what I find most interesting and very telling is that if a player is available and they were a true star the debate would be more about where the franchise is and if it is the right timing to go for it, rather than the polarized takes on that players actual talent level, value, worth and if you can build with him or not ect... Most times if a star can be had you have a heck of a lot more excitement, in the case of Simmons, I think there is a lot of skepticism, indifference and even disinterest where you would expect the opposite should he be in demand in some collective sense. If fans have that sinking feeling, just think where a GM is at who's job depends on it and needs to justify it to management financially and to fans from a marketing perspective. I don't think the takes from MN fans or other teams in the mix who only want him if the cost is low is far off of what the league thinks in comparison to the thinking of more emotionally attached fans to a player.

I think there's one big reason why Minnesota fans are skeptical.

James. Butler.

I think that's an underlying reason why fans were skeptical about the Russell trade (and haven't really even given it a chance yet) and why they're skeptical about Simmons.

Jimmy burned us. But let's not forget where he got us to as well. He was a huge reason we snapped the playoff streak. We were 29-17 going into the game he first got hurt and 36-25 when he went out the second time, both times in fourth place. We got up to third shortly after with games against poor competition.

Would Karl, Ant, D'Angelo and Ben be the foursome to take us all the way to the Finals? It might not be. But I don't want to be wondering 'what if' about a reasonably realistic opportunity to acquire an all-NBA player if it gives us a similar infusion in talent. Do I want to give up McDaniels? No, not really. Would I if push came to shove? I'd be foolish to not at least consider making the deal if that's the piece I'm most worried about losing.

As for trading "most of our future" in picks as someone mentioned a page back, with the Stepien rule we're only talking about every other year losing a 1st.

This isn't just a basketball thing.

Minnesota Twins fans saw David Ortiz blow up in Boston. After that, fans wanted to do whatever it took to keep Joe Mauer in Minnesota. Since Mauer had his struggles late in his contract, Twins fans are now scared to overpay the young guys.

[Klomp]

There were reports that Rosas was (rightfully) rejecting offers for McDaniels at the deadline. These typesof trades are the reason why you hold onto him. It's not because you don't ever want to let him go, but because he's the type of piece that can push a deal like this for an all-NBA player over the edge to get done.

[Nick K]

Did you notice how many +1's you have?

I couldn't agree more. Looks like many others agree too.

Yeah .. that’s a huge number of And 1’s for this board.

I get frustrated on the trade board when partisan PHI fans who decide that anyone who doesn’t agree with their high valuation of Simmons must be lying, trying to drive down the price on an internet chat board (no idea what they think the gain of that is!). The fact that there are 10 posters so far that agree with Nick’s position, placed on the MIN board where most people don’t see it, shows the PHI posters accusations are false. This is how they feel about Simmons.

80% of the And-1's are Minnesota fans, literally the same argument can be made about Minnesota fan partisanship.

Yes, but we know what we're talkin about.

[old school 34]

Change it up a bit from all the Simmons talk (but for the one's keeping score...I'd be in favor of Simmons deal & I'd probably pay more than a fair amount on these boards).

But to a couple of smaller trade options (margin type deals that could add us a draft pick)...any of these 3 interest anyone?

Option 1: pretty simple Culver to OKC for 2 of their 3 2nds....why for OKC--get free look @ Culver & they have the ability to load him up some minutes....& they would still have 4 other rooks on roster?

Option 2: MN sends Okogie and Culver to NY for Knox & #21 (their 2nd of their 2)....why for NY--Thibs get some more defensive wings & his guy in Okogie

Option 3: MN sends Rubio & Layman to NO for Bledsoe & #10....why for NO--shave a year off & get to expiring vets....get Rubio on expiring with lots of young G's to mentor ?

All 3 deals save MN some money for sure to start before adding rook contracts back in, but even then...you'd create some added room from lux line? None of these deals may be the lone move but would give you some more flexibility to further work margins type of deals while still having assets in place if bigger fish type still becomes available? In last deal...getting 10 for tacking another year on in the backup PG spot is almost the JJ for Rubio deal part 2 where we're just keeping that contract around for the bigger fish deal later vs letting it just fall off the books....& one could make the case that Bledsoe may be better fit for us (Rubio can't really be POA defender whereas Bledsoe might offer some of that & probably plays with Dlo better in the those 2 pg lineups).

Thoughts...

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[Mattya]

Any talk from Sixers fans about getting Edwards is just pure delusion. Even this reply I’m typing isn’t worth the brain power used to interact with that level of fantasy.

[King Malta]

Sixers fans: Oh my God, this guy is awful, he just cost us a playoff series. It's all good and well that he can defend and get out in transition but he's got such massive flaws that really hamper our ability to win a chip.

Also Sixers fans: Yeah, we're gonna need your #1 pick, potential superstar in any trade for our All NBA, All Defense guy thanks.