Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[Black Mage]

If rumor are true there are 3-5 natural fit teams for a Simmons trade:

Cavs rumor: Sexton and 3 available.

Why: Sexton and Garland are both undersized guards who struggle defensively with larger guards. Sexton is also due his first extension and Cavs likely see a backcourt of high salary Garland/Sexton as a non-starter.

Why Simmons: Cavs are basically a young non-fully developed Trailblazers. Fitting Simmons next to Garland solves their defensive woes. Garland's range, handling and catch-shoot ability fits nicely with SImmons b/c Simmon's guy can't sag without leaving a step into a jumper opening for Garland.

Trade Package: Sexton & 3. One of Green or Suggs (I prefer Suggs for his refined and mature style of play, Green if we go raw potential). Cavs might balk at this, but we can sweeten the deal by eating K-Love or adding a pick. Sexton can stay or go, if he stays then you can play Suggs or Green next to him or you let those guys grow in experience running the second team while figuring out what Sexton brings.

GSW: Wiseman, Wiggins and 7 and 14.

Why: Dubs want to go all in to maximize Curry's window. Surprised they would want to move Wiseman, but he also likely has a low trade value given his constant injury history even pre-NBA.

Why Simmons: He does fit really well with Steph and Klay, but Draymond presents a problem. I wonder if Draymond could be moved or available over Wiggins.

Trade Package: Wiggins, 7 and future 2-3 picks/swaps (unprotected) beginning in 2024. Either flip 7 for help or use it on Davion to man the PG spot and you just hope he develops fast. Wiggins you see how he fits with Embiid or see if he can be moved later. This is a balance of immediate future while setting the team for a hard and fast reboot if Joel falls apart (as some on here fear).

Kings: Fox.

Why: I have no idea why Fox is available given age and development other than they really love Haliburton and see a future of him, HIeld and Simmons forming a dynamic trio that complement each other well. Plus Kings love doing stupid things and they also can't lure major stars to their team in FA.

Why Simmons: He fits well with Haliburton and Hield.

Trade Package: Fox and maybe 9 for Simmons and future 1st. I think this might have to turn into a straight swap, but if we could steal 9, I would do it as I see an early pick is another asset to flip now or use it to get cheap talent that can develop internally and I like the options between 6-10. I also trust Morey to identify talent given his hits in the past. If Kings wanted to move Bagley, I might bite on that too and take a flyer on him coming off bench in the PF role.

T-Wolves: D'Lo

Why: D'Lo wasn't the solution and couldn't run the team.

Why Simmons: Simmons and KAT fit well, plus they are best buds and the low pressure of Minnesota might help Ben mentally.

Trade Package: D'Lo and Edwards.

Trade intercepted by Indiana: Edwards being rerouted to Indiana for Brogdon to Sixers for Edwards and G-Hill.

Trade intercepted by New Orleans: D'Lo being rerouted to New Orleans in a sign n trade for Lonzo Ball. Or, if a pick or two gets it done you flip D'Lo for Ingram.

Picks likely need to be included, but this one goes beyond my pay grade.

I like the trades in order of Cavs/Kings/GSW/T-Wolves.

Every one of these trades is a huge overpay that will never happen by the teams trading for Simmons. Just ask yourself this question. If you were a fan of these other teams would you make these trades for BEN SIMMONS?

First, I never said these were the final terms. I have an outline of the players I've heard in rumors being available and the structure of a deal I'd be interested in even if we had to include sweeteners like picks going out.

Second, I absolutely would do the GSW trade presuming Klay is coming back healthy. The entire point of my post was to hi-light teams that actually present a natural fit for Ben and what he does very well while covering for his deficiencies. You may think Ben's value is low generally, but I selected teams that might have a higher value for him b/c of his fit for what they need to balance their roster.

[Tomjas]

If rumor are true there are 3-5 natural fit teams for a Simmons trade:

Cavs rumor: Sexton and 3 available.

Why: Sexton and Garland are both undersized guards who struggle defensively with larger guards. Sexton is also due his first extension and Cavs likely see a backcourt of high salary Garland/Sexton as a non-starter.

Why Simmons: Cavs are basically a young non-fully developed Trailblazers. Fitting Simmons next to Garland solves their defensive woes. Garland's range, handling and catch-shoot ability fits nicely with SImmons b/c Simmon's guy can't sag without leaving a step into a jumper opening for Garland.

Trade Package: Sexton & 3. One of Green or Suggs (I prefer Suggs for his refined and mature style of play, Green if we go raw potential). Cavs might balk at this, but we can sweeten the deal by eating K-Love or adding a pick. Sexton can stay or go, if he stays then you can play Suggs or Green next to him or you let those guys grow in experience running the second team while figuring out what Sexton brings.

GSW: Wiseman, Wiggins and 7 and 14.

Why: Dubs want to go all in to maximize Curry's window. Surprised they would want to move Wiseman, but he also likely has a low trade value given his constant injury history even pre-NBA.

Why Simmons: He does fit really well with Steph and Klay, but Draymond presents a problem. I wonder if Draymond could be moved or available over Wiggins.

Trade Package: Wiggins, 7 and future 2-3 picks/swaps (unprotected) beginning in 2024. Either flip 7 for help or use it on Davion to man the PG spot and you just hope he develops fast. Wiggins you see how he fits with Embiid or see if he can be moved later. This is a balance of immediate future while setting the team for a hard and fast reboot if Joel falls apart (as some on here fear).

Kings: Fox.

Why: I have no idea why Fox is available given age and development other than they really love Haliburton and see a future of him, HIeld and Simmons forming a dynamic trio that complement each other well. Plus Kings love doing stupid things and they also can't lure major stars to their team in FA.

Why Simmons: He fits well with Haliburton and Hield.

Trade Package: Fox and maybe 9 for Simmons and future 1st. I think this might have to turn into a straight swap, but if we could steal 9, I would do it as I see an early pick is another asset to flip now or use it to get cheap talent that can develop internally and I like the options between 6-10. I also trust Morey to identify talent given his hits in the past. If Kings wanted to move Bagley, I might bite on that too and take a flyer on him coming off bench in the PF role.

T-Wolves: D'Lo

Why: D'Lo wasn't the solution and couldn't run the team.

Why Simmons: Simmons and KAT fit well, plus they are best buds and the low pressure of Minnesota might help Ben mentally.

Trade Package: D'Lo and Edwards.

Trade intercepted by Indiana: Edwards being rerouted to Indiana for Brogdon to Sixers for Edwards and G-Hill.

Trade intercepted by New Orleans: D'Lo being rerouted to New Orleans in a sign n trade for Lonzo Ball. Or, if a pick or two gets it done you flip D'Lo for Ingram.

Picks likely need to be included, but this one goes beyond my pay grade.

I like the trades in order of Cavs/Kings/GSW/T-Wolves.

Every one of these trades is a huge overpay that will never happen by the teams trading for Simmons. Just ask yourself this question. If you were a fan of these other teams would you make these trades for BEN SIMMONS?

First, I never said these were the final terms. I have an outline of the players I've heard in rumors being available and the structure of a deal I'd be interested in even if we had to include sweeteners like picks going out.

Second, I absolutely would do the GSW trade presuming Klay is coming back healthy. The entire point of my post was to hi-light teams that actually present a natural fit for Ben and what he does very well while covering for his deficiencies. You may think Ben's value is low generally, but I selected teams that might have a higher value for him b/c of his fit for what they need to balance their roster.

You can add the Spurs to that list as DeRozan is unlikely to return and there’s rumours about White & Murray

[Black Mage]

Every one of these trades is a huge overpay that will never happen by the teams trading for Simmons. Just ask yourself this question. If you were a fan of these other teams would you make these trades for BEN SIMMONS?

First, I never said these were the final terms. I have an outline of the players I've heard in rumors being available and the structure of a deal I'd be interested in even if we had to include sweeteners like picks going out.

Second, I absolutely would do the GSW trade presuming Klay is coming back healthy. The entire point of my post was to hi-light teams that actually present a natural fit for Ben and what he does very well while covering for his deficiencies. You may think Ben's value is low generally, but I selected teams that might have a higher value for him b/c of his fit for what they need to balance their roster.

You can add the Spurs to that list as DeRozan is unlikely to return and there’s rumours about White & Murray

I am intrigued by that, but I really like the flexibility getting a high draft pick in this draft gives the Sixers.

[yuuby]

Here are Bens best 3 games of the past 2 seasons.

Watch on YouTube

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What role do you think he is playing on offense?

Who is conventiently not playing in any of these games?

He is clearly the center with Mike Scott and Al Horford acting as floor spacers. The whole paint is Simmons' domain.

There is a reason that our two centers play much better without each other. Trying to continue to build around to fundamentally opposing players on the court is a waste of time.

Send this tape to the Simmons' suitors and convince them he can be unlocked by playing center full time on offense.

[Aussiepiston1]

I have settled down after being angry at Simmons performance in the playoffs and believe we should hold onto him unless it’s for another star player who plays on both ends of the floor.
I’d trade Harris instead.
If Kemba is healthy I’d swap Harris for him and even add a pick.
Put Thybulle at the 2, sign Porter for the MLE and Curry as a 6th Man
Develop Maxey for another year.
Walker/Hill/Maxey
Thybulle/Curry /Milton
Porter/Korkmaz /Joe
Simmons/FA/Reed
Embiid/FA/28th pick

[stormi]

I think Kemba, worn knees and all is still a really good fit here with Jo. But I'm not adding a pick. He had to have a mid 1st included to retrieve Horford in return so there's no doubt he's viewed as a negative asset around the league.

Tobias > Al, So I'd need at least 16, Kemba and an early 2nd as compensation.

Doubt Presti would be willing to move on from him though, I'd imagine another pump & dump scenario is planned.

[Wilfried]

I think Kemba, worn knees and all is still a really good fit here with Jo. But I'm not adding a pick. He had to have a mid 1st included to retrieve Horford in return so there's no doubt he's viewed as a negative asset around the league.

Tobias > Al, So I'd need at least 16, Kemba and an early 2nd as compensation.

Interested if Presti would be willing to move on from him though, I'd imagine another pump & dump scenario is planned.

Why would OKC take Harris?

[Tomjas]

Kemba was a salary dump for the Celtics

Wth would we pay OKC to trade for him?

[phifans]

So in Ben fans eyes Horford = Tobias + 2 firsts Great!

I highly doubt if they do really care about this team.

Or why don't we just trade Ben for Kemba and …… 5 firsts ?

[stormi]

I think Kemba, worn knees and all is still a really good fit here with Jo. But I'm not adding a pick. He had to have a mid 1st included to retrieve Horford in return so there's no doubt he's viewed as a negative asset around the league.

Tobias > Al, So I'd need at least 16, Kemba and an early 2nd as compensation.

Interested if Presti would be willing to move on from him though, I'd imagine another pump & dump scenario is planned.

Why would OKC take Harris?

I mean I'm just piggybacking off the post above. But if Presti was playing the asset accumulation game it's more likely he could turn Harris into a mega asset opposed to Kemba with his injuries and still lose a lot of games. Big wings that can score and hit nearly 50/40/90 splits aren't dime a dozen.

[Tomjas]

So in Ben fans eyes Horford = Tobias + 2 firsts Great!

I highly doubt if they do really care about this team.

Or why don't we just trade Ben for Kemba and …… 5 firsts ?

Nothing to do with Ben

Kemba was a salary dump

[the_process]

Thybulle should get included in the Simmons deal to include additional return IMO.

If to Pelicans, get Ingram and Walker back. If Sacramento, get Fox and Wright back.

I keep hearing about Simmons for Ingram trades and it is driving me crazy! I've been a Sixers fan since Dr. J but I am from New Orleans so I am a Pels fan as well. Ingram is part of the core of the team and will only be moved with picks for a star player like Lillard or Beal. Pels will never trade Ingram for Simmons unless it is a gross overpay that they can use to send out for Lillard or Beal. The Pels will not be adding players that can't shoot to add to Bledsoe and Adams who also can't shoot. This would make no sense.

I just had to say that in an attempt to stop the Ingram for Simmons posts. '

Lillard would immediately demand another trade if he got sent to New Orleans. Beal just wouldn’t re-sign there. I don’t know why it is, I’m guessing it has to do with the FO, but players want no part of The Big Easy.

Also there are rumors Ingram and Zion don’t like playing together. That being said, in any kind of deal Simmons wouldn’t be going to NOP, he would be routed to a third team, probably for picks.

[kuclas]

Thybulle should get included in the Simmons deal to include additional return IMO.

If to Pelicans, get Ingram and Walker back. If Sacramento, get Fox and Wright back.

I keep hearing about Simmons for Ingram trades and it is driving me crazy! I've been a Sixers fan since Dr. J but I am from New Orleans so I am a Pels fan as well. Ingram is part of the core of the team and will only be moved with picks for a star player like Lillard or Beal. Pels will never trade Ingram for Simmons unless it is a gross overpay that they can use to send out for Lillard or Beal. The Pels will not be adding players that can't shoot to add to Bledsoe and Adams who also can't shoot. This would make no sense.

I just had to say that in an attempt to stop the Ingram for Simmons posts. '

Lillard would immediately demand another trade if he got sent to New Orleans. Beal just wouldn’t re-sign there. I don’t know why it is, I’m guessing it has to do with the FO, but players want no part of The Big Easy.

Also there are rumors Ingram and Zion don’t like playing together. That being said, in any kind of deal Simmons wouldn’t be going to NOP, he would be routed to a third team, probably for picks.

Simmons can average 25/8/8 on any bad team and contribute to more regular seasons wins than Ingram.

So I’m leery on stats on any player on bad teams. Pelicans are improving. Ingram has shown improvement since coming over from the lakers. Even Julius Randle showed big time improvement once he left the lakers.

But in playoffs when teams focus on players weakness. How effective can Ingram be? We won’t know till they make the playoffs.

[BNelley24]

Shams with the tweet, anyone know what the article says?

[Mik317]

Shams with the tweet, anyone know what the article says?

We are talking to teams. Want an all star back. His value is robust.

Nothing gamechanging really.

[jotachase]

Shams with the tweet, anyone know what the article says?

He said nothing new:

"The 76ers have opened up trade conversations surrounding Simmons and have engaged with teams, sources told The Athletic. Those sources also say that teams that have engaged with the 76ers about Simmons have been met with a high price threshold for the three-time All-Star.

“(The 76ers) want an All-Star-caliber player in return,” one source with knowledge of the ongoing talks said.

Make no mistake: Interest across the league in Simmons remains robust. He’s turning just 25 this month, was an All-NBA team member in 2019-20, is a two-time All-Defensive first-team member and a Rookie of the Year award winner. Simmons is under contract through 2025, making him the type of superstar talent that rarely becomes available at an attainable price at this juncture of his career."

[the_process]

I keep hearing about Simmons for Ingram trades and it is driving me crazy! I've been a Sixers fan since Dr. J but I am from New Orleans so I am a Pels fan as well. Ingram is part of the core of the team and will only be moved with picks for a star player like Lillard or Beal. Pels will never trade Ingram for Simmons unless it is a gross overpay that they can use to send out for Lillard or Beal. The Pels will not be adding players that can't shoot to add to Bledsoe and Adams who also can't shoot. This would make no sense.

I just had to say that in an attempt to stop the Ingram for Simmons posts. '

Lillard would immediately demand another trade if he got sent to New Orleans. Beal just wouldn’t re-sign there. I don’t know why it is, I’m guessing it has to do with the FO, but players want no part of The Big Easy.

Also there are rumors Ingram and Zion don’t like playing together. That being said, in any kind of deal Simmons wouldn’t be going to NOP, he would be routed to a third team, probably for picks.

Simmons can average 25/8/8 on any bad team and contribute to more regular seasons wins than Ingram.

So I’m leery on stats on any player on bad teams. Pelicans are improving. Ingram has shown improvement since coming over from the lakers. Even Julius Randle showed big time improvement once he left the lakers.

But in playoffs when teams focus on players weakness. How effective can Ingram be? We won’t know till they make the playoffs.

Stats on a bad team is what they said about Devin Booker, too. Until Phoenix wasn’t bad anymore.

Ingram, and for that example Zach LaVine as well, are the kinds of guys you take the chance on IMO. Of course, trying to figure out exactly what NOP would want for him is the hard part for us as fans. Ostensibly Morey would know and be looking to acquire those necessary pieces if he wanted Ingram.

[51X3RF4N]

This Shams article tells me the Sixers are trying to raise Ben's value and gather some better offers from teams that have yet to call.

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[yuuby]

First we got the Rich Paul engages Sixers about possible trades article from Woj.

Now we got this article from Shams.

Yeah Simmons is 100% gone this summer.

Let's hope Morey doesnt get fleeced. We need SGA, Beal, Lavine, Lillard, or Fox back for him. Anything less and Morey is overrated.

[stormi]

SGA (unattainable) > Lillard > Fox > Beal >> Ingram >> Lavine