Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

douggood · Post #1261 » by **douggood** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:38 pm

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
planetmars wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:What if Cleveland is willing to give up the 3rd for the 4th pick if we take on Kevin Love and maybe even give up Boucher as well? Maybe one of our seconds as well

Love makes $31M. Boucher makes $7M. Need a lot more than a second rounder to make that trade work.

Could be a 3 team trade and maybe Love and that second rounder to the Knicks and we take the 3rd pick

then why wont the knicks not just take the 3rd pick in this case?

planetmars · Post #1262 » by **planetmars** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:39 pm

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
planetmars wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:What if Cleveland is willing to give up the 3rd for the 4th pick if we take on Kevin Love and maybe even give up Boucher as well? Maybe one of our seconds as well

Love makes $31M. Boucher makes $7M. Need a lot more than a second rounder to make that trade work.

Could be a 3 team trade and maybe Love and that second rounder to the Knicks and we take the 3rd pick

Why would the Knicks not just take #3 then? And why would the Cavs not just buy out Love and keep #3?

So you're basically saying Boucher and a second rounder could get the #3 pick? I think you might be overrating Boucher here a tad.

dgr81 · Post #1263 » by **dgr81** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:39 pm

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WuTang_OG · Post #1264 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:41 pm

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Yeezus_ · Post #1265 » by **Yeezus_** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:45 pm

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Honestly, they could probably make a good deal with the Cavs if they were ever interested.

dgr81 · Post #1266 » by **dgr81** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:46 pm

G League Ignite Draft Prospect Isaiah Todd is canceling workouts with teams owning late first-round picks — such as the Jazz — because he has focused on visits with teams with lottery picks, sources said.

https://theathletic.com/2703448/2021/07/13/sixers-opening-up-ben-simmons-trade-talks-knicks-interested-in-collin-sexton-plus-more-nba-news/

Rapsfan07 · Post #1267 » by **Rapsfan07** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:49 pm

RapsFanInOhio wrote:It’s not even that I don’t like Barnes, but he doesn’t create shots for himself and that’s the issue. It isn’t the shooting, because even if he could shoot, he still can’t create. He’s not a natural scorer, which is going to limit his ceiling in the NBA. He may have played PG in high school or whatever, but that doesn’t mean he can get a bucket when he needs to. His ceiling is closer to Aaron Gordon than it is Kawhi.

He’s a great defender, he’s aggressive, and he’s super athletic. I think he ends up being an average shooter because he’ll put the work in. My issue with picking him over guys like Suggs or even Mobley is that their shot creating upside is much higher than Barnes. I worry about this with Mobley to an extent, but he’s both bigger and has a better creating game than Barnes. If you’re bigger, it’s naturally easier to score.

I’ve got it:
Cade
Green
Suggs
Mobley
Barnes / Kuminga

And that’s mostly based on how I rate their ability to create shots. When you’re picking in the top 5, the skills that you have to aim for are shot making and self shot creating. Those skills give you the best chance to hit on a star. I’m not picking for defense or upside, I want to see how you can create buckets for yourself.

Bingo. Bang on. Shot creation and shot making ability are the most important attributes when looking for a star. And if you watch the playoffs, you will see why these are premium skills. Everything else is secondary

mtcan · Post #1268 » by **mtcan** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:50 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:

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Barrett for Sexton makes a ton of sense...and makes it more likely the Cavs take Mobley...

Rapsfan07 · Post #1269 » by **Rapsfan07** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:52 pm

PD28 wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:

Sengun looks like a star... if this were the 90s/00s

Jahlil Okafor and Enes Kanter were also born a decade or two early.

I think you meant "late" here.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1270 » by **Rapsfan07** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:54 pm

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
planetmars wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:What if Cleveland is willing to give up the 3rd for the 4th pick if we take on Kevin Love and maybe even give up Boucher as well? Maybe one of our seconds as well

Love makes $31M. Boucher makes $7M. Need a lot more than a second rounder to make that trade work.

Could be a 3 team trade and maybe Love and that second rounder to the Knicks and we take the 3rd pick

Why would the Knicks take on that much salary, lose out on their max space and only take a second rounder? Boucher isn't worth the 3rd overall pick so I'm not quite sure how this works. Knicks would just cut us out and take the pick for themselves.

Post #1271 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:58 pm

You don’t draft the Barnes in the top half of the lotto. We know this.

vulture · Post #1272 » by **vulture** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:00 pm

I've been trying to get some info regarding the raptors draft board from my friends who work there and of course they have no info.
This actually makes me so happy because it lets you know that this team doesn't leak information easily.

I did however hear that we have made a call to philly regarding Ben Simmons.

tecumseh18 · Post #1273 » by **tecumseh18** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:02 pm

mtcan wrote:Barrett for Sexton makes a ton of sense...and makes it more likely the Cavs take Mobley...

Disagree. Barrett's a better prospect, and it would leave a huge hole on the wing for the Knicks.

Just take Love's salary into the Knicks' 60 mill of cap space, and maybe give up the #21 pick.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1274 » by **Rapsfan07** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:03 pm

mtcan wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:

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Barrett for Sexton makes a ton of sense...and makes it more likely the Cavs take Mobley...

Not surprising that the Knicks are the most aggressive.

Miami could offer the best package though. I have to imagine that if the Knicks are trying to acquire Sexton, then the goal would be to pair him with Barrett. I can't see the Knicks having much more to offer than a package of Toppin, their first and maybe Quickley.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1275 » by **Rapsfan07** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:03 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
mtcan wrote:Barrett for Sexton makes a ton of sense...and makes it more likely the Cavs take Mobley...

Disagree. Barrett's a better prospect, and it would leave a huge hole on the wing for the Knicks.

Just take Love's salary into the Knicks' 60 mill of cap space, and maybe give up the #21 pick.

This makes a lot of sense too.

WuTang_OG · Post #1276 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:05 pm

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mtcan · Post #1277 » by **mtcan** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:05 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
mtcan wrote:Barrett for Sexton makes a ton of sense...and makes it more likely the Cavs take Mobley...

Disagree. Barrett's a better prospect, and it would leave a huge hole on the wing for the Knicks.

Just take Love's salary into the Knicks' 60 mill of cap space, and maybe give up the #21 pick.

My opinion is that Cleveland is looking for more than a salary dump and NY is not looking to compromise their max cap space especially when they plan on resigning Julius Randle...and having almost 60 million a year tied up in 2 players that play the same position is not smart.

WuTang_OG · Post #1278 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:06 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
mtcan wrote:Barrett for Sexton makes a ton of sense...and makes it more likely the Cavs take Mobley...

Disagree. Barrett's a better prospect, and it would leave a huge hole on the wing for the Knicks.

Just take Love's salary into the Knicks' 60 mill of cap space, and maybe give up the #21 pick.

ya why tf would Knicks trade Barrett for Sexton. They love Barrett on the wing and would want to pair him with Sexton. Knicks havent had a real young PG in decades

mtcan · Post #1279 » by **mtcan** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:07 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
mtcan wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:

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Barrett for Sexton makes a ton of sense...and makes it more likely the Cavs take Mobley...

Not surprising that the Knicks are the most aggressive.

Miami could offer the best package though. I have to imagine that if the Knicks are trying to acquire Sexton, then the goal would be to pair him with Barrett. I can't see the Knicks having much more to offer than a package of Toppin, their first and maybe Quickley.

Oh ya...Toppin...totally forgot about him. Ya that is definitely possible...which would make a Suggs pick more likely.

WuTang_OG · Post #1280 » by **WuTang_OG** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:11 pm

so real rumours came out today for both Simmons and Sexton. Seems Cavs are legit trying to move on from Sexton.

I still dont believe they pick Mobley with Allen there. If rumours swirl around that they want to move Allen, then Mobley falling to us is over and Suggs it is