Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[davesilver]

SGA (unattainable) > Lillard > Fox > Beal >> Ingram >> Lavine

Wow I’d have lavine as #3 here. What do you have against ?

[yuuby]

SGA (unattainable) > Lillard > Fox > Beal >> Ingram >> Lavine

Wow I’d have lavine as #3 here. What do you have against ?

Go to Lavines basketball reference page and check the play by play section. Those on off numbers are a ghastly sight. They are consistently ugly for his whole career.

[stormi]

SGA (unattainable) > Lillard > Fox > Beal >> Ingram >> Lavine

Wow I’d have lavine as #3 here. What do you have against ?

I value natural facilitating ballhandlers in general over volume high usage scorers so that's where the divide between the first three come. In terms of preference of Beal vs Lavine vs Ingram, I trust Beal's scoring in a playoff game over the other two with his foul drawing ability. Also the best playmaker of the bunch, has averaged over 6 assists per game before. Lavine is purely a shotmaker and he's very good at what he does, but I'd nudge Ingram a bit over him as well for his age, size and two way potential. And he's really been putting it together as well as go-to scorer/ballhandler in Nawlins.

[LeonJordanJr24]

First we got the Rich Paul engages Sixers about possible trades article from Woj.

Now we got this article from Shams.

Yeah Simmons is 100% gone this summer.

Let's hope Morey doesnt get fleeced. We need SGA, Beal, Lavine, Lillard, or Fox back for him. Anything less and Morey is overrated.

What? You just be talking.. 100 percent Gone this summer based off what?

[BNelley24]

First we got the Rich Paul engages Sixers about possible trades article from Woj.

Now we got this article from Shams.

Yeah Simmons is 100% gone this summer.

Let's hope Morey doesnt get fleeced. We need SGA, Beal, Lavine, Lillard, or Fox back for him. Anything less and Morey is overrated.

What? You just be talking.. 100 percent Gone this summer based off what?

Uh, common sense? 76ers wouldn't release all this info publicly just to keep him. Could you imagine Ben being on the team next year with what just happened & then all the trade hoopla which will go on the next few weeks. It would be dysfunctional. Of course Morey is going to say he wants him back blah blah blah, but if you had a gun to my head I'd say there is less than a 10% chance he is.

[LeonJordanJr24]

First we got the Rich Paul engages Sixers about possible trades article from Woj.

Now we got this article from Shams.

Yeah Simmons is 100% gone this summer.

Let's hope Morey doesnt get fleeced. We need SGA, Beal, Lavine, Lillard, or Fox back for him. Anything less and Morey is overrated.

What? You just be talking.. 100 percent Gone this summer based off what?

Uh, common sense? 76ers wouldn't release all this info publicly just to keep him. Could you imagine Ben being on the team next year with what just happened & then all the trade hoopla which will go on the next few weeks. It would be dysfunctional. Of course Morey is going to say he wants him back blah blah blah, but if you had a gun to my head I'd say there is less than a 10% chance he is.

He had a bad playoffs and the fan base turned against him. Gauging his value around the league is a no brainer but a trade certainly happening with him is not. I'm sure the demand in return we want is very high. Unless Jaylen Brown, Beal or Lillard are in the deal. I doubt we move him.

[Stanford]

I think the only way he's 100% gone is if Morey gets an offer that returns a compatible "star" level creator. I don't think we see a trade if that doesn't happen.

[yuuby]

The Simmons situation is obviously untenable. He will not be back.

There is no way he is coming back after the Rich Paul unofficial trade request article came from Woj.

You dont put your 24 year old all star publicly on the trade block to sell to the highest bidder and have any scenario where they are on the team the following season.

It would be a total disaster starting on media day.

[Sportfan73]

Something just tells me it’s Lavine

[Stanford]

Okay good so we get Harrison Barnes and a pick then, sweet

[yuuby]

Something just tells me it’s Lavine

I mean they have Colangelos right hand man Marc Eversely as the 2nd in command in Chicago. We know the Colangelo crew liked Simmons more than Embiid.

That dude was in consideration to be our GM after burnergate. Imagine what a disaster that would be.

[okboomer]

The Simmons situation is obviously untenable. He will not be back.

There is no way he is coming back after the Rich Paul unofficial trade request article came from Woj.

You dont put your 24 year old all star publicly on the trade block to sell to the highest bidder and have any scenario where they are on the team the following season.

It would be a total disaster starting on media day.

It already is a disaster. He has more value from gms than he does with the general public.

[kuclas]

Lillard would immediately demand another trade if he got sent to New Orleans. Beal just wouldn’t re-sign there. I don’t know why it is, I’m guessing it has to do with the FO, but players want no part of The Big Easy.

Also there are rumors Ingram and Zion don’t like playing together. That being said, in any kind of deal Simmons wouldn’t be going to NOP, he would be routed to a third team, probably for picks.

Simmons can average 25/8/8 on any bad team and contribute to more regular seasons wins than Ingram.

So I’m leery on stats on any player on bad teams. Pelicans are improving. Ingram has shown improvement since coming over from the lakers. Even Julius Randle showed big time improvement once he left the lakers.

But in playoffs when teams focus on players weakness. How effective can Ingram be? We won’t know till they make the playoffs.

Stats on a bad team is what they said about Devin Booker, too. Until Phoenix wasn’t bad anymore.

Ingram, and for that example Zach LaVine as well, are the kinds of guys you take the chance on IMO. Of course, trying to figure out exactly what NOP would want for him is the hard part for us as fans. Ostensibly Morey would know and be looking to acquire those necessary pieces if he wanted Ingram.

Its Chris Paul who is making things run in Phoenix. Not booker.

That’s really my point. Ingram is not a 3 level scorer.

Paul George is.

So who is the best fit for Embiid. We need that iso scorer from everywhere. Who can get into the paint. Ingram doesn’t do it

[yuuby]

My new favorite trade is Simmons ($33 million) to CHI for Lavine ($20 million) and we get Lonzo in a sign and trade since the Pelicans dont want to pay him and hes is pretty similar to Simmons stylewise.

Lonzo loves running in transition, is probably a better passer, both cant run pnr but Simmons is better inside but Lonzo is better at shooting 3s and takes a lot of 3s. Lonzo is also a good defender. We can probably get him for the 28th pick and paying him 20 mil per year or less.

Does Lonzo give you 85% of the production that Simmons gives you on 50% of the salary?

[zaz102]

My new favorite trade is Simmons ($33 million) to CHI for Lavine ($20 million) and we get Lonzo in a sign and trade since the Pelicans dont want to pay him and hes is pretty similar to Simmons stylewise.

Lonzo loves running in transition, is probably a better passer, both cant run pnr but Simmons is better inside but Lonzo is better at shooting 3s and takes a lot of 3s. Lonzo is also a good defender. We can probably get him for the 28th pick and paying him 20 mil per year or less.

Does Lonzo give you 85% of the production that Simmons gives you on 50% of the salary?

I would love this. I feel like it might be a stretch to get LaVine for Simmons at this point. And also, I feel like Lonzo will be getting $20M - $25M, not $16.5M.

[Embiid-MVP]

My new favorite trade is Simmons ($33 million) to CHI for Lavine ($20 million) and we get Lonzo in a sign and trade since the Pelicans dont want to pay him and hes is pretty similar to Simmons stylewise.

Lonzo loves running in transition, is probably a better passer, both cant run pnr but Simmons is better inside but Lonzo is better at shooting 3s and takes a lot of 3s. Lonzo is also a good defender. We can probably get him for the 28th pick and paying him 20 mil per year or less.

Does Lonzo give you 85% of the production that Simmons gives you on 50% of the salary?

Not a NBA money guy but if this could work I would love this. Big on LaVine and Ball

[Hipster Doofus]

I don't think we get Beal or Dame. They're both superstars and we're not getting a superstar by trading a star.

These two have always been pipe dreams and seems like we've been pumping them up as potential trades just because we're fans. Dame and Beal have to ask for trades first, publicly or privately, for there even to be a chance. Unless they do that, we're not getting either. Both of them have been supportive of their current teams.

So let's go back to the more realistic names: SGA, Fox, Lavine, Sexton, DeJounte Murray, DeAngelo Russell, Demar Derozan, Ingram, Anthony Edwards, Lowry (sign and trade).

I think it'll be one of those names. If we eliminate by logic, we can remove Sexton based on fit. We can remove Edwards as he's reigning ROY and if Minny has any brains they won't trade him, we can eliminate (my favorite) SGA as I don't see OKC trading their best player, we can then eliminate Russell again based on fit and maturity, and we can probably remove Murray as he's not (yet) an all-star caliber player.

So we're left with Fox, Lavine, Derozan, Ingram, Lowry.

My guess is one of those five names. I'd love for Morey to surprise us though.

[PhillyNj]

Rating the trades for Simmons: as of July 13th.
#1. Lillard
#2. Beal
#3 Lavine
#4 Fox
#5 SGA.
#6 Edwards

[Stanford]

Rating the trades for Simmons: as of July 13th.
#1. Lillard
#2. Beal
#3 Lavine
#4 Fox
#5 SGA.
#6 Edwards

My ranking:

1.SGA
2. Fox
3. Lillard
4. Lavine
5. Beal
6. Edwards

[Iverson Armband]

Lillard
Lavine
SGA
Beal
Fox
Edwards


Most likely - Sexton or Terry Rozier