Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[NYK-Mentality85]

some of you guys in here are crazy

lonzo: "he's so young, i bet thibs and co. can turn him around. they'll make him attack the paint and teach him how to better utilize his passing skills"
sexton: "nah, all he does is shoot and he can't ever make his team better"

sexton's even younger than lonzo too

Isn't Lonzo Ball an upcoming free agent though?

There's a big difference between signing a FA (Ball) without giving up anything in return when in comparison trading for a player (Sexton) and being forced to throw away valuable assets.

Can't compare NY apples to FL Oranges man.
Two completely different situations here.

Sexton: 22 years old.
Lonzo: 23 years old.

One year difference, who really cares when they're both really young man? Sexton will be 50 when Ball is 51. Who cares?

[Knox]

Sexton is a distressed asset at a position of need with fairly efficient scoring production on a rookie deal.

That usually doesn't come around often or this cheap (if the rumored deal is true)

Plus, the Knicks would have even more capspace after this deal to make more moves.

Exactly. Folks are worried about selling low on Obi, but don't see that we'd also be buying low on Sexton.

Cavs fans don’t even want Obi

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Funny the same Cavs fans trashing Collin’s expect to get RJ Barrett for him lol.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Sexton is a distressed asset at a position of need with fairly efficient scoring production on a rookie deal.

That usually doesn't come around often or this cheap (if the rumored deal is true)

Plus, the Knicks would have even more capspace after this deal to make more moves.

Exactly. Folks are worried about selling low on Obi, but don't see that we'd also be buying low on Sexton.

Yea, Obi + #19 for Sexton is a trade the Knicks easily make. It is too good to be true. Dont really buy thats the best offer the Cavs can get.

[robillionaire]

It’s worth asking why the cavs don’t want to keep Sexton. Either they don’t think he’s worth the money, or they think they can draft someone better, or they think garland is better. I mean if they thought he was the second coming of Donovan Mitchell as someone above me just said, they wouldn’t be trying to trade him.

[DaGawd]

Just patiently waiting for the woj/sham bomb yes lawddddd

[sol537]

NY Trades: Obi, Knox, #19, #32, $3m Cash
CL Trades: Sexton, Nance Jr. (or Prince)

If they want to expand it, we can include Mitch and they return Allen.

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Then we follow that up with a 4-year deal to Lonzo or a 2-year deal to Lowry. Still have the #21 to get a youngster for the bench.

[NYK-Mentality85]

We won 41 games with Elfrid Payton.

I don't see an argument on how Sexton isn't an improvement on that.

At the very minimum, he will play the same role, provide the same level of defense and passing, but with actual scoring production. That is if he shows no improvement with better coaching and teammates.

That is a better team

Not if we lose Obi and picks 19 and 21 it's not.

And if anything happens to Julius Randle @ PF due to an injury it'll become a disaster trade.

Obi Toppin (PF).
#19: Sharife Cooper (PG).
# 21: Tre Mann (SG).

Has 10x more potential than Sexton and those 3 players make us a better team than "Sexton" would.

To be clear, the rumor said only one of those two picks... Heck if you're not interested in winning more right now and would rather wait on potential, I got a thread I think you should read...

Not caring about winning?

It's Cleveland who cares about winning because they're quitting on Sexton after only 3 years of losing basketball...

Cleveland since drafting Sexton = 60-159 (.273%).

Don't talk to me about Sexton making us "win" when as a PG he's failed to make Cleveland win all while Cleveland is (already) quitting on him after 3 miserable seasons in a row.

It's a red flag and very alarming how Cleveland is already quitting on their 8th overall draft pick and starting POINT GUARD. They obviously do not believe in his "potential" to win or else they'd BUILD AROUND HIM (not QUIT on him).

[bronxknicksfan1]

some of you guys in here are crazy

lonzo: "he's so young, i bet thibs and co. can turn him around. they'll make him attack the paint and teach him how to better utilize his passing skills"
sexton: "nah, all he does is shoot and he can't ever make his team better"

sexton's even younger than lonzo too

Isn't Lonzo Ball an upcoming free agent though?

There's a big difference between signing a FA (Ball) without giving up anything in return when in comparison trading for a player (Sexton) and being forced to throw away valuable assets.

Can't compare NY apples to FL Oranges man.
Two completely different situations here.

Sexton: 22 years old.
Lonzo: 23 years old.

One year difference, who really cares when they're both really young man? Sexton will be 50 when Ball is 51. Who cares?

Obi, Knox and a middling pick are more valuable than a 22 year old scoring guard who’s still getting better?

Not to mention we can also get Lonzo if we really wanted to. Rather that than 2 players that get no burn and another young player who won’t get burn either.

[3toheadmelo]

It’s worth asking why the cavs don’t want to keep Sexton. Either they don’t think he’s worth the money, or they think they can draft someone better, or they think garland is better. I mean if they thought he was the second coming of Donovan Mitchell as someone above me just said, they wouldn’t be trying to trade him.

Sexton just isn’t a good fit next to garland. This is sorta like the Knicks having to pick between Mark Jackson and Strickland

[bronxknicksfan1]

Not if we lose Obi and picks 19 and 21 it's not.

And if anything happens to Julius Randle @ PF due to an injury it'll become a disaster trade.

Obi Toppin (PF).
#19: Sharife Cooper (PG).
# 21: Tre Mann (SG).

Has 10x more potential than Sexton and those 3 players make us a better team than "Sexton" would.

To be clear, the rumor said only one of those two picks... Heck if you're not interested in winning more right now and would rather wait on potential, I got a thread I think you should read...

Not caring about winning?

It's Cleveland who cares about winning because they're quitting on Sexton after only 3 years of losing basketball...

Cleveland since drafting Sexton = 60-159 (.273%).

Don't talk to me about Sexton making us "win" when as a PG he's failed to make Cleveland win all while Cleveland is (already) quitting on him after 3 miserable seasons in a row.

It's a red flag and very alarming how Cleveland is already quitting on their 8th overall draft pick and starting POINT GUARD. They obviously do not believe in his "potential" to win or else they'd BUILD AROUND HIM (not QUIT on him).

It’s tough reading/discussing any of your points. They’re absolutely terrible. I’m sorry.

[robillionaire]

It’s worth asking why the cavs don’t want to keep Sexton. Either they don’t think he’s worth the money, or they think they can draft someone better, or they think garland is better. I mean if they thought he was the second coming of Donovan Mitchell as someone above me just said, they wouldn’t be trying to trade him.

Sexton just isn’t a good fit next to garland. This is sorta like the Knicks having to pick between Mark Jackson and Strickland

Sure but since they had to pick one, why aren’t they trying to trade Garland?

[Knicksfan1992]

I will say I'm not fond of getting rid of Obi. If we can do it with Knox and an extra protected 1st in addition to like 19+32, then I'd be much more happy.

I was higher on Obi than most here pre draft and he showed me something in the last quarter of the season and post season. I actually think he showed signs in the non flashy areas of basketball that make me way more bullish than I think most would have been if he has been getting double doubles with still poor defense.
His rim protection numbers were actually legitimately good. According to Cleaning the Glass the Knicks defense never fell off with Obi on the court and actually were very slightly better.

His 3 point shooting started to come around and obviously his high energy hustle plays are always there. I think he's a pretty intriguing small ball 5 option who you can get away playing at the 4 too. I'd like to see another year out of him with a bump in playing time. But I understand if he needs to be in the package you still pull the trigger but I'm not necessarily giving up on Obi being a really good front court weapon down the line

[DowNY]

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[3toheadmelo]

It’s worth asking why the cavs don’t want to keep Sexton. Either they don’t think he’s worth the money, or they think they can draft someone better, or they think garland is better. I mean if they thought he was the second coming of Donovan Mitchell as someone above me just said, they wouldn’t be trying to trade him.

Sexton just isn’t a good fit next to garland. This is sorta like the Knicks having to pick between Mark Jackson and Strickland

Sure but since they had to pick one, why aren’t they trying to trade Garland?

Cause Sexton is due for big contract soon and they probably think they can get Suggs and just replace Sexton with a rookie PG that has a lot of potential

[DaGawd]

It’s worth asking why the cavs don’t want to keep Sexton. Either they don’t think he’s worth the money, or they think they can draft someone better, or they think garland is better. I mean if they thought he was the second coming of Donovan Mitchell as someone above me just said, they wouldn’t be trying to trade him.

Sexton just isn’t a good fit next to garland. This is sorta like the Knicks having to pick between Mark Jackson and Strickland

And they have more time to make a decision on Garland than Sexton whose rookie deal is about to expire

[Knicksfan1992]

NY Trades: Obi, Knox, #19, #32, $3m Cash
CL Trades: Sexton, Nance Jr. (or Prince)

If they want to expand it, we can include Mitch and they return Allen.

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Then we follow that up with a 4-year deal to Lonzo or a 2-year deal to Lowry. Still have the #21 to get a youngster for the bench.

Love the idea of poaching Nance in the deal if we part with Obi. Been an undervalued guy for a while now. Would help with our defense and gives us another big bodied wing/big hybrid to throw at the best wings in the game

[Capn'O]

Sexton is a distressed asset at a position of need with fairly efficient scoring production on a rookie deal.

That usually doesn't come around often or this cheap (if the rumored deal is true)

Plus, the Knicks would have even more capspace after this deal to make more moves.

Exactly. Folks are worried about selling low on Obi, but don't see that we'd also be buying low on Sexton.

Yea, Obi + #19 for Sexton is a trade the Knicks easily make. It is too good to be true. Dont really buy thats the best offer the Cavs can get.

And Knox

The leak is clearly from the Cavs looking for more. That said, if they're calling this their high offer there's definitely some interest there.

[DOT]

It’s worth asking why the cavs don’t want to keep Sexton. Either they don’t think he’s worth the money, or they think they can draft someone better, or they think garland is better. I mean if they thought he was the second coming of Donovan Mitchell as someone above me just said, they wouldn’t be trying to trade him.

Sexton just isn’t a good fit next to garland. This is sorta like the Knicks having to pick between Mark Jackson and Strickland

Sure but since they had to pick one, why aren’t they trying to trade Garland?

Garland is the better prospect

Plus I'd say it's less they don't think Sexland is a good pairing, it's more that they're in a position to get one of Green or Suggs if they want, and while you could make two of Sexton/Garland/Green or Suggs work, you can't make all 3 work.

[DowNY]

I’ll continue to say it. I like Sexton here at the SG spot. He’s a bucket. We can still go hard after PGs. Matter fact, Knox+Obi cap holds/salaries are more than Sexton. So we’d actually increase cap space. Lol

I’m not someone big on Lowry here but with Sexton, I’d warm up to the idea. Bring Rose back to run 2nd unit with IQ again. Get a backup SF for RJ like Powell, Oubre or DeRozan. Get backup big for Mitch. Carmelo back to backup Julius ? A lot of options.
Let’s go with this hypothetical:

Lowry - Rose - Vildoza
Sexton - Quickley
RJ - DeRozan
Julius - Carmelo
Mitch - backup big signing or pick

[Capn'O]

It’s worth asking why the cavs don’t want to keep Sexton. Either they don’t think he’s worth the money, or they think they can draft someone better, or they think garland is better. I mean if they thought he was the second coming of Donovan Mitchell as someone above me just said, they wouldn’t be trying to trade him.

Sexton just isn’t a good fit next to garland. This is sorta like the Knicks having to pick between Mark Jackson and Strickland

AND THEY KEPT NEITHER

I'm sorry, what are we talking about?