FIBA U19 World Cup

Charm · Post #61 » by **Charm** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:48 pm

Charm wrote:Hope that call doesn't end up deciding the game...was definitely ball first.

And it did. Welp.

Buckets22 · Post #62 » by **Buckets22** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:50 pm

Wow, Lofton Junior winning the game for USA, key, key plays on both sides of the ball. I hope such quirky player can find his niche in the top levels of basketball.

DroseReturnChi · Post #63 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:00 pm

congratz to team usa. were favorites and played better team ball and defense than the senior team.
holmgren will go number 1 unanimous mvp of tourney.

nolang1 · Post #64 » by **nolang1** » Sun Jul 11, 2021 7:57 pm

Buckets22 wrote:Wow, Lofton Junior winning the game for USA, key, key plays on both sides of the ball. I hope such quirky player can find his niche in the top levels of basketball.

That’s just the USA youth team formula where the MO is to physically overwhelm teams with either full court press or the offensive rebounding/inside scoring of a post player who’s way stronger than anyone else (Carey Jr and Trevion Williams have done this in recent teams).

sisibilio · Post #65 » by **sisibilio** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 4:29 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:holmgren will go number 1 unanimous mvp of tourney.

He was almost irrelevant in the final though.

Buckets22 · Post #66 » by **Buckets22** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 5:40 pm

sisibilio wrote:
DroseReturnChi wrote:holmgren will go number 1 unanimous mvp of tourney.

He was almost irrelevant in the final though.

He managed to get aggressive with Wembanyama and put 2 fouls on him in the early 4th quarter. Had several other key plays as well on the defensive end.

Prokorov · Post #67 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:02 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:congratz to team usa. were favorites and played better team ball and defense than the senior team.
holmgren will go number 1 unanimous mvp of tourney.

I dont think he will. i think like bol bol, it becomes obvious between college and workouts that he isnt a big despite his height, and as a wing, he is just good not great.

The size only helps when it forces the other team to go big. but teams can defend chet with a 4, and maybe even a stronger 3. he isnt a nightmare if he forces a switch and isnt quick ro athletic enough to kill you in roll situations, which he seems to avoid anyhow. defensively, im not sure how he pans out. he will be asked to do a ton more then block shots in the pros. and while he is skilled dont see him staying with the lowrys, van vleets, jrues of the world on switches let alone the tier above that.

still lotto, maybe high lotto. but the cant miss #1 stuff to me doesnt fit the eye test

Charm · Post #68 » by **Charm** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:04 pm

Buckets22 wrote:
sisibilio wrote:
DroseReturnChi wrote:holmgren will go number 1 unanimous mvp of tourney.

He was almost irrelevant in the final though.

He managed to get aggressive with Wembanyama and put 2 fouls on him in the early 4th quarter. Had several other key plays as well on the defensive end.

He got absolutely stuffed on the second one...really bad foul call that sent Wembanyama to the bench.

Post #69 » by **jman3134** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:16 pm

What about the follow through?

Charm · Post #70 » by **Charm** » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:22 pm

jman3134 wrote:What about the follow through?

He definitely hit his arm on the follow through, but if it's ball first (and this was *very* clearly ball first) then the follow through shouldn't matter, right?

Mickey8 · Post #71 » by **Mickey8** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:00 am

Holmgren is one of the weakest MVP's in FIBA's youth competitions ever . He didn't deserved it at all. At least two or three american players were more deserving than him, but FIBA is on the hype train as well.

Buckets22 · Post #72 » by **Buckets22** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:02 am

Charm wrote:
Buckets22 wrote:
sisibilio wrote:He was almost irrelevant in the final though.

He managed to get aggressive with Wembanyama and put 2 fouls on him in the early 4th quarter. Had several other key plays as well on the defensive end.

He got absolutely stuffed on the second one...really bad foul call that sent Wembanyama to the bench.

Gee, Wembanyamas palm is like a Tefal frying pan

Yes, this was a dubious call but wasnt going to happen without Holmgren being aggressive.

UcanUwill · Post #73 » by **UcanUwill** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:20 am

Charm wrote:
Buckets22 wrote:
sisibilio wrote:He was almost irrelevant in the final though.

He managed to get aggressive with Wembanyama and put 2 fouls on him in the early 4th quarter. Had several other key plays as well on the defensive end.

He got absolutely stuffed on the second one...really bad foul call that sent Wembanyama to the bench.

This call cost France the game. I mean congrats Chet on winning MVP, He was one of the best players on a winning side for sure, but honestly, Lofton Jr. could have been MVP of the tournament too, so that doesn't ultimately matter here. Chet was NBA material prospect before hand and he is NBA prospect now, but he wasnt as dominant here as Valanciunas, or RJ barrett were in the past, where you were seeing their NBA stock skyrocket before your very eyes. But thats just my opinion.

reamily · Post #74 » by **reamily** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:37 pm

How can you see if guys can bulk up the weight for this prospects..tyson chandler was man among beast in hs days bit he was faked second overall

Mickey8 · Post #75 » by **Mickey8** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:18 pm

Holmgren will be considered a bust if he he becomes number one selection in the next year NBA Draft.

sisibilio · Post #76 » by **sisibilio** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:17 pm

reamily wrote:How can you see if guys can bulk up the weight for this prospects..tyson chandler was man among beast in hs days bit he was faked second overall

Everyone can bulk but how much depends on the build. Holmgren for instance has very narrow frame, unlikely for him to gain much functional weight.

Post #77 » by **Marcus** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:28 pm

Mickey8 wrote:Holmgren will be considered a bust if he he becomes number one selection in the next year NBA Draft.

have my reservations about Chet. i've mentioned it before, the size is concerning and IMO to fully max out everything he's capable of you likely have to make him the hub or a hub of your offense.

Mickey8 · Post #78 » by **Mickey8** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:33 pm

I just don't see him being cornerstone of the franchise in the NBA , he's not that talented or that good, it would be better for him if he's picked out of the top 3 spots, the less expectations, the less pressure for him, right now he's the great white hope in the USA,everyone is waiting for a great white american superstar, I just don't see that in him, maybe I am wrong, we will see.

Post #79 » by **Marcus** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:41 pm

Chet's top spot likely won't fall unless one of the other kids do something extraordinary. Chet played the game perfectly picking the Zags. Team will be in the limelight, great coach, and a system that highlights his strengths with enough coverage for his weaknesses. Unless Banch does otherworldly things to stand out from the rest of the Duke boys or Hardy lights the G-League up in some unprecedented way it's going to be hard for Chet to lose his spot if he just plays his game in that Zags system.

clyde21 · Post #80 » by **clyde21** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:06 am

that Jayson Tchicamboud kid from France looks hella intriguing, possibly a 22 draft guy