2021 Draft Thread - Part II

[Ruzious]

I'm not as big a fan of Devin Booker as most people, but in any case I find it hard to see Bouknight as his type of player. Booker shot the 3 at .400 as a freshman. But he didn't rebound or handle the ball much. Bouknight does more of that stuff.

I guess, too, I'm not really convinced by Ingram either.

This is such a deep draft. My ideal is still to trade down with the Knicks plus buy another pick -- come away with 3 young players.

Bouknight is going to be a stud. Watch the film and you can see why. The guy is Zach Lavine with a higher defensive ceiling.

Springer is a Derrick White/Marcus Smart blend. My never be the lead guard on a contender, but will be PERFECT 3rd guard on his rookie contract.

To me, its
1) Giddey/Garuba/Wagner at 15
2) Trade down with NYK or Rockets (Picking up 2 of Duarte, Springer, Butler, Mann, Dosunmu, Petrusev, McBride, etc.)
3) Bouknight, Moody, Kispert at 15

You think Bouknight is Lavine with a higher defensive ceiling, but you'd rather have Garuba or Wagner?

I think most of us watched the Maryland game, and Bouknight stunk. He's definitely not the athlete that Lavine is, and he doesn't have a good jump shot. He looked like he's strictly an iso player who doesn't look for his teammates - the kind of player nobody wants to play with.

[pcbothwel]

Bouknight is going to be a stud. Watch the film and you can see why. The guy is Zach Lavine with a higher defensive ceiling.

Springer is a Derrick White/Marcus Smart blend. My never be the lead guard on a contender, but will be PERFECT 3rd guard on his rookie contract.

To me, its
1) Giddey/Garuba/Wagner at 15
2) Trade down with NYK or Rockets (Picking up 2 of Duarte, Springer, Butler, Mann, Dosunmu, Petrusev, McBride, etc.)
3) Bouknight, Moody, Kispert at 15

You think Bouknight is Lavine with a higher defensive ceiling, but you'd rather have Garuba or Wagner?

I think most of us watched the Maryland game, and Bouknight stunk. He's definitely not the athlete that Lavine is, and he doesn't have a good jump shot. He looked like he's strictly an iso player who doesn't look for his teammates - the kind of player nobody wants to play with.

Bouknight is strictly a 2, so He's a square peg on this current squad. Also, he may take a couple years to be legit contributor where I feel Garuba is a day one player and better fit

[80sballboy]

Interviewing a lot of undrafted rookie FAs. Ryan Daly? WTF. Must be a favor for someone.

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[NatP4]

Doesn’t feel like they have worked out very many guys who would go as high as 15. Lots of undrafted guys and a few late 1st guys.

[FAH1223]

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[pcbothwel]

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There is something about him that I just think teams regret overlooking. I see Billups/Lowry/Jrue all over this kid. He's the perfect 3rd guard in the short term that can grow into his role.
Day 1 defender, High IQ, spot up shooter, and will draw fouls.

[Frichuela]

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There is something about him that I just think teams regret overlooking. I see Billups/Lowry/Jrue all over this kid. He's the perfect 3rd guard in the short term that can grow into his role.
Day 1 defender, High IQ, spot up shooter, and will draw fouls.

Agreed. If we stay at #15, he is potentially a great pick up for us. I don’t think he will last much longer if he’s not gone already. In a previous post, I included a comparison of his college stats to Dejounte Murray and Derrick White, and Springer looked quite comparable to both.

[Dat2U]

Springer looking more explosive is good to hear. That's the one thing I was a little concerned about. He would be the safe pick and a good fit with some upside.

[Dat2U]

It would be cool for Wagner, Giddey or Bouknight to fall but I'd be very content with Cooper or Springer.

[mhd]

It would be cool for Wagner, Giddey or Bouknight to fall but I'd be very content with Cooper or Springer.

I don't think Wagner is going to fall. Looks like he has a promise in the 5-10 range.

[NatP4]

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There is something about him that I just think teams regret overlooking. I see Billups/Lowry/Jrue all over this kid. He's the perfect 3rd guard in the short term that can grow into his role.
Day 1 defender, High IQ, spot up shooter, and will draw fouls.

And some of the best intangibles in the draft. Has completely gotten over himself already at a young age. 100% a team first competitor.

I see so much Kyle Lowry in his game. If we end up with him, I won’t be disappointed at all.

[Frichuela]

Springer looking more explosive is good to hear. That's the one thing I was a little concerned about. He would be the safe pick and a good fit with some upside.

Indeed. He scored the 7th best max vertical leap at the combine with 41.5 inches and the 5th best standing vertical leap at 34.5 inches

[Ruzious]

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There is something about him that I just think teams regret overlooking. I see Billups/Lowry/Jrue all over this kid. He's the perfect 3rd guard in the short term that can grow into his role.
Day 1 defender, High IQ, spot up shooter, and will draw fouls.

And some of the best intangibles in the draft. Has completely gotten over himself already at a young age. 100% a team first competitor.

I see so much Kyle Lowry in his game. If we end up with him, I won’t be disappointed at all.

I like Springer, but I think he needs a couple of years to mature physically and gain confidence, and I see him more as a 2 than a combo guard. Honestly, almost no matter who's there at 15, I want to trade down and get 2 good players rather than 1.

[NatP4]

Blow it up:

Beal to Toronto for #4&filler
#15 for #21&#32
Rui and Bryant for Derrick White
Westbrook to the clippers for #25 and filler
#25 for #35 and #40

4: Jalen Suggs
21: Jared Butler
32: Neemius Queta
35: Joe Wieskamp
40: Isaiah Livers

Suggs Butler
White Mathews
Avdija Wieskamp Livers
Bertans Gill
Gafford Queta

[Dark Faze]

It's a damn shame we can't see Giddey in the Olympics. Would be massively helpful information.

[Dat2U]

Blow it up:

Beal to Toronto for #4&filler
#15 for #21&#32
Rui and Bryant for Derrick White
Westbrook to the clippers for #25 and filler
#25 for #35 and #40

4: Jalen Suggs
21: Jared Butler
32: Neemius Queta
35: Joe Wieskamp
40: Isaiah Livers

Suggs Butler
White Mathews
Avdija Wieskamp Livers
Bertans Gill
Gafford Queta

Congrats, that's a really really bad team.

[payitforward]

...Honestly, almost no matter who's there at 15, I want to trade down and get 2 good players rather than 1.

Me too!

[pcbothwel]

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There is something about him that I just think teams regret overlooking. I see Billups/Lowry/Jrue all over this kid. He's the perfect 3rd guard in the short term that can grow into his role.
Day 1 defender, High IQ, spot up shooter, and will draw fouls.

And some of the best intangibles in the draft. Has completely gotten over himself already at a young age. 100% a team first competitor.

I see so much Kyle Lowry in his game. If we end up with him, I won’t be disappointed at all.

I like Springer, but I think he needs a couple of years to mature physically and gain confidence, and I see him more as a 2 than a combo guard. Honestly, almost no matter who's there at 15, I want to trade down and get 2 good players rather than 1.

1) Physically Mature? He's the youngest US prospect in the draft and measured 6'3 and 202 lbs (6% Body Fat) with a 6'8 wingspan. The EXACT same measurements as Beal at the exact same age and he was a tank. So no, Physical maturation is far from making the list of things he NEEDS right now.

2) I agree he's not a pure 1, but I think thats an antiquated way to view guards anyway. Conley, Jrue, Lowry, Brogdon, Murray, Smart... I think those types of guys work better anyway, especially next to a high usage guard like Beal.

[Ruzious]

And some of the best intangibles in the draft. Has completely gotten over himself already at a young age. 100% a team first competitor.

I see so much Kyle Lowry in his game. If we end up with him, I won’t be disappointed at all.

I like Springer, but I think he needs a couple of years to mature physically and gain confidence, and I see him more as a 2 than a combo guard. Honestly, almost no matter who's there at 15, I want to trade down and get 2 good players rather than 1.

1) Physically Mature? He's the youngest US prospect in the draft and measured 6'3 and 202 lbs (6% Body Fat) with a 6'8 wingspan. The EXACT same measurements as Beal at the exact same age and he was a tank. So no, Physical maturation is far from making the list of things he NEEDS right now.

2) I agree he's not a pure 1, but I think thats an antiquated way to view guards anyway. Conley, Jrue, Lowry, Brogdon, Murray, Smart... I think those types of guys work better anyway, especially next to a high usage guard like Beal.

Beal was on the small side for a 2. For example, I remember watching him as a rookie against Harden, and he wasn't strong enough to handle Harden's size. As expected, he's physically matured since then. I expect similar physical maturation with Springer - especially considering how young he is. I don't think he is now what he'll be in a couple of years from now.

Let me try this again - I don't think he's a combo guard. I think he's strictly a 2. I don't think he's like Conley or Lowry at all, and I don't think he's much like Jrue, Brogdon, Murray, and Smart - though it's possible he will develop to be like one or more of them. That's my view, fwiw.

[payitforward]

It looks like people have named about 1/2 dozen guys all of whom look likely to be available at #15 & any of whom would seem to be a pretty good pick. In which case, at least one of them will also be available at #21. In fact, it's likely more than one guy on that list will still be there, since since the chances are good that a surprise or two will be picked along the way.

That's a good argument for trading down to #21 & getting the #32 in return -- if the Knicks want to deal, that is.

The Knicks have only 7 guys with guaranteed contracts -- for just under $50m. They also have a $1.8m option on Mitchell Robinson -- i.e. he's virtually certain to get a new deal this Summer. Randle will too.

This makes me less than optimistic that they'll want to trade 2 picks for a higher one. It'll depend on whether there's someone they really want.

OTOH, they have so much financial flexibility that they really might be a good destination for Bertans -- but that's for another thread.