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mtcan wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
...says the former GM who struck out on 2 top 10 picks in the SAME draft in Dragan Bender and Marquis Chriss
Also the guy who blew top 5 picks on Josh Jackson and Alex Len.
TOStateofMind wrote:Like others have said. Just don’t overthink it. We literally got a gift moving into top 4 and the pick is obvious.
niQ wrote:mtcan wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
...says the former GM who struck out on 2 top 10 picks in the SAME draft in Dragan Bender and Marquis Chriss
Also the guy who blew top 5 picks on Josh Jackson and Alex Len.
I mentioned it earlier, but I get Josh Jackson vibes from Kuminga. Good size and Tools but horrible percentages.
mtcan wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
...says the former GM who struck out on 2 top 10 picks in the SAME draft in Dragan Bender and Marquis Chriss
Also the guy who blew top 5 picks on Josh Jackson and Alex Len.
OAKLEY_2 wrote:720 wrote:If we’re getting Mobley then trade Siakam for the warriors picks (7 and 14). Mobley will need a couple years of polishing, it’s not like Suggs who can come in and contribute right away.
Our timelines change with drafting a big man over say Green or Suggs. Might as well add additional prospects and get younger until Mobley is ready to be the main guy.
Agreed but I think we could get more from the Pacers - even though laughed around the block when asking for Sabonis-Caris-13. Man this board pathetically under values Siakam. It is the tragedy of our pre champ culture. Too many years of ESPN Paul Piercing us and some around here lapping it all up. Bad reffing respect, no Christmas game, all-star snubs, the worst part is how badly undervalued Lowry is by fake sports news.
mtcan wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
...says the former GM who struck out on 2 top 10 picks in the SAME draft in Dragan Bender and Marquis Chriss
Also the guy who blew top 5 picks on Josh Jackson and Alex Len.
Clutch0z24 wrote:S.W.A.N wrote:Risk101 wrote:Anybody even thinking about picking Barnes over Mobley/Suggs should have there realgm accounts erased.
You guys are reaching for a non offensive prospect.
Thinking about a lineup with Barnes OG and Siakam in the frontcourt makes me drool. The defense would be absolutely deadly. Barnes is the kind of guy you can play half his minutes as a guard and the other half as a big.
Mobley and Suggs probably have higher upsides, but anyone that ignores Barnes as a potential draft pick is an idiot who doesn't know basketball.
That is the ugliest lineup in the NBA....Not to mention Siakam cannot play Center at all and we would get killed on the glass every night just like this season with Aaron Baynes as our only big body and when Siakam was there we got destroyed in the paint and gave easy layups half the time cause we had 0 presence at the Rim...
The shooting and spacing would literally be all jacked up cause OG is a stand still Corner shooter, Can't Create for himself yet, Siakam is a streaky Shooter at best, Barnes is a non factor shooting the ball so teams will sag off on him and let him shoot and brick while we have FVV and GTJR the only ones in the lineup who can shoot decent....
If the Raptors ever did a dumb move and drafted Barnes then your basically rebuilding from scratch at that point and moving Siakam for picks and w/e else and tanking the next few seasons to build a real contender in the draft cause Adding Barnes with OG/Siakam sure on defense its good but we would struggle to score 100 points with Lowry being gone as well
Jerry Lucas wrote:The Cavs aren't passing on Mobley lol they didn't even think they would be lucky enough to get Mobley originally. With Mobley's defensive versatility, athleticism and perimeter potential, he would probably not start right away but eventually start at the 4 and pair well with Allen. Then the Cavs can run Garland/Okoro at the 1/2 (the Cavs GM has recently said he considers both guards as part of their young core).
Raps in 4 wrote:Jerry Lucas wrote:The Cavs aren't passing on Mobley lol they didn't even think they would be lucky enough to get Mobley originally. With Mobley's defensive versatility, athleticism and perimeter potential, he would probably not start right away but eventually start at the 4 and pair well with Allen. Then the Cavs can run Garland/Okoro at the 1/2 (the Cavs GM has recently said he considers both guards as part of their young core).
The Cavs are a dumpster fire organization. They're notorious for burning top-5 picks on non-consensus busts.
S.W.A.N wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:S.W.A.N wrote:
Thinking about a lineup with Barnes OG and Siakam in the frontcourt makes me drool. The defense would be absolutely deadly. Barnes is the kind of guy you can play half his minutes as a guard and the other half as a big.
Mobley and Suggs probably have higher upsides, but anyone that ignores Barnes as a potential draft pick is an idiot who doesn't know basketball.
That is the ugliest lineup in the NBA....Not to mention Siakam cannot play Center at all and we would get killed on the glass every night just like this season with Aaron Baynes as our only big body and when Siakam was there we got destroyed in the paint and gave easy layups half the time cause we had 0 presence at the Rim...
The shooting and spacing would literally be all jacked up cause OG is a stand still Corner shooter, Can't Create for himself yet, Siakam is a streaky Shooter at best, Barnes is a non factor shooting the ball so teams will sag off on him and let him shoot and brick while we have FVV and GTJR the only ones in the lineup who can shoot decent....
If the Raptors ever did a dumb move and drafted Barnes then your basically rebuilding from scratch at that point and moving Siakam for picks and w/e else and tanking the next few seasons to build a real contender in the draft cause Adding Barnes with OG/Siakam sure on defense its good but we would struggle to score 100 points with Lowry being gone as well
I think you overstate the issues on offense. Barnes would be playing the 5 spot so he'd fit into the dunker spot (Even if he guarding others you still play him as a 5 on offense.) With Barnes and Siakam on the team you have a couple bigs who love to run the fast break so you'd get lots of transition points off steals and rebounds. Then in the half court sets Barnes plays that pick and roll game either as the ball handler to get him attacking the hoop or as the screener who operates out of the foul line extended.
OG and Fred are legit three point threats and Siakam hits enough that teams have to respect him. Add a fourth guy who hits threes like a Trent Jr when you playing small, and a Kelly Olynyk when you playing big and you have plenty of scoring power.
Also you don't draft Barnes or Suggs for that matter based on our roster. You draft they guy you think has the highest upside. If Barnes or Kuminga are guys the scouting staff really believe can be elite then you just draft them period. I trust the raps scouting staff more than any mock draft.
DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:S.W.A.N wrote:Clutch0z24 wrote:
That is the ugliest lineup in the NBA....Not to mention Siakam cannot play Center at all and we would get killed on the glass every night just like this season with Aaron Baynes as our only big body and when Siakam was there we got destroyed in the paint and gave easy layups half the time cause we had 0 presence at the Rim...
The shooting and spacing would literally be all jacked up cause OG is a stand still Corner shooter, Can't Create for himself yet, Siakam is a streaky Shooter at best, Barnes is a non factor shooting the ball so teams will sag off on him and let him shoot and brick while we have FVV and GTJR the only ones in the lineup who can shoot decent....
If the Raptors ever did a dumb move and drafted Barnes then your basically rebuilding from scratch at that point and moving Siakam for picks and w/e else and tanking the next few seasons to build a real contender in the draft cause Adding Barnes with OG/Siakam sure on defense its good but we would struggle to score 100 points with Lowry being gone as well
I think you overstate the issues on offense. Barnes would be playing the 5 spot so he'd fit into the dunker spot (Even if he guarding others you still play him as a 5 on offense.) With Barnes and Siakam on the team you have a couple bigs who love to run the fast break so you'd get lots of transition points off steals and rebounds. Then in the half court sets Barnes plays that pick and roll game either as the ball handler to get him attacking the hoop or as the screener who operates out of the foul line extended.
OG and Fred are legit three point threats and Siakam hits enough that teams have to respect him. Add a fourth guy who hits threes like a Trent Jr when you playing small, and a Kelly Olynyk when you playing big and you have plenty of scoring power.
Also you don't draft Barnes or Suggs for that matter based on our roster. You draft they guy you think has the highest upside. If Barnes or Kuminga are guys the scouting staff really believe can be elite then you just draft them period. I trust the raps scouting staff more than any mock draft.
You can see the Raptors are interested in Ben Simmons so it aint crazy that the Raptors would be interested in a similar player in Barnes. they either want Simmons or Barnes at the 5
WuTang_OG wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:Jerry Lucas wrote:The Cavs aren't passing on Mobley lol they didn't even think they would be lucky enough to get Mobley originally. With Mobley's defensive versatility, athleticism and perimeter potential, he would probably not start right away but eventually start at the 4 and pair well with Allen. Then the Cavs can run Garland/Okoro at the 1/2 (the Cavs GM has recently said he considers both guards as part of their young core).
The Cavs are a dumpster fire organization. They're notorious for burning top-5 picks on non-consensus busts.
Cavs will also be forced to take a guard or a wing (most likely) rather than another centre with allen ready to be re-upped who they love.
S.W.A.N wrote:DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:S.W.A.N wrote:
I think you overstate the issues on offense. Barnes would be playing the 5 spot so he'd fit into the dunker spot (Even if he guarding others you still play him as a 5 on offense.) With Barnes and Siakam on the team you have a couple bigs who love to run the fast break so you'd get lots of transition points off steals and rebounds. Then in the half court sets Barnes plays that pick and roll game either as the ball handler to get him attacking the hoop or as the screener who operates out of the foul line extended.
OG and Fred are legit three point threats and Siakam hits enough that teams have to respect him. Add a fourth guy who hits threes like a Trent Jr when you playing small, and a Kelly Olynyk when you playing big and you have plenty of scoring power.
Also you don't draft Barnes or Suggs for that matter based on our roster. You draft they guy you think has the highest upside. If Barnes or Kuminga are guys the scouting staff really believe can be elite then you just draft them period. I trust the raps scouting staff more than any mock draft.
You can see the Raptors are interested in Ben Simmons so it aint crazy that the Raptors would be interested in a similar player in Barnes. they either want Simmons or Barnes at the 5
Exactly. A small ball 5 who can pass and defend multiple spots is a valuable commodity.
S.W.A.N wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:
The Cavs are a dumpster fire organization. They're notorious for burning top-5 picks on non-consensus busts.
Cavs will also be forced to take a guard or a wing (most likely) rather than another centre with allen ready to be re-upped who they love.
I wonder what it would take to sweeten the pot to make them think they getting a steal. Trade them a couple second round picks or an asset like Boucher to get the pick swap. We get Mobley they get Suggs and bonus asset while paying the lower draft slot for cap reasons...
S.W.A.N wrote:DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:S.W.A.N wrote:
I think you overstate the issues on offense. Barnes would be playing the 5 spot so he'd fit into the dunker spot (Even if he guarding others you still play him as a 5 on offense.) With Barnes and Siakam on the team you have a couple bigs who love to run the fast break so you'd get lots of transition points off steals and rebounds. Then in the half court sets Barnes plays that pick and roll game either as the ball handler to get him attacking the hoop or as the screener who operates out of the foul line extended.
OG and Fred are legit three point threats and Siakam hits enough that teams have to respect him. Add a fourth guy who hits threes like a Trent Jr when you playing small, and a Kelly Olynyk when you playing big and you have plenty of scoring power.
Also you don't draft Barnes or Suggs for that matter based on our roster. You draft they guy you think has the highest upside. If Barnes or Kuminga are guys the scouting staff really believe can be elite then you just draft them period. I trust the raps scouting staff more than any mock draft.
You can see the Raptors are interested in Ben Simmons so it aint crazy that the Raptors would be interested in a similar player in Barnes. they either want Simmons or Barnes at the 5
Exactly. A small ball 5 who can pass and defend multiple spots is a valuable commodity.
WuTang_OG wrote:S.W.A.N wrote:DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:
You can see the Raptors are interested in Ben Simmons so it aint crazy that the Raptors would be interested in a similar player in Barnes. they either want Simmons or Barnes at the 5
Exactly. A small ball 5 who can pass and defend multiple spots is a valuable commodity.
I think thats the complete opposite of what we are looking for tbh. We saw the impact of having 2 very solid 7 foot centres with length and high iq did for us. We saw how using Siakam at the 5 didnt make much sense and impacted us greatly with no shot blocking presence and rebounding.
For the Raps to get a guy like mobley, is a win win because we get the bpa and a big time need. Mobley just dominated defensively this past year and has very high upside on offence and can mix it up which is unique.
Raps want a real 5 not an undersized one with Simmons lol
mtcan wrote:S.W.A.N wrote:DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:
You can see the Raptors are interested in Ben Simmons so it aint crazy that the Raptors would be interested in a similar player in Barnes. they either want Simmons or Barnes at the 5
Exactly. A small ball 5 who can pass and defend multiple spots is a valuable commodity.
...but he literally has never played the 5...and if asked...there's no guarantee he would want to. Just like there's no guarantee he would want to take a jump shot even if he's asked. This is what you get from Ben. He has to WANT to do something to help his team and even when they beg him to...he decides he doesn't want to.
This is why I want nothing to do with this cancer.
WuTang_OG wrote:vulture wrote:WuTang_OG wrote:
He's 19. He's going to take 2-3 years just like Bosh did to fill out his body. Stop looking at Mobley as a finished product, he's no where near it but yet carries the highest upside in the draft.
I'm not looking at him as a finished product at all, but we have to acknowledge that players who come into the NBA with huge weaknesses don't always improve.
I think this idea that ever top 5 pick is going to improve because they are young is a fallacy.
You clearly are, since you're ragging on his strength.
I don't think you understand what he is as a prospect because he literally does everything well offensively as a 5 and he just showed this past year that he is a game changer on the defensive end