Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

[S.W.A.N]

These talks of Barnes at the 5... Barnes is best suited as a big guard defender with handles. Why would you put Barnes at 5 to defend Embiid and Vucevic? Because Barnes shooting sucks at everywhere except 5? Ridiculous mental gymnastics to reach for Barnes.

Who said anything about gaurding Embiid or Vucevic?

I'm pretty sure I'm the biggest Barnes hype guy around here and I've clearly said he fits as a small ball 5.

That said, if he adds 10-15 pounds muscle over the next couple years he has the length and jumping to play against the jumbo bigs. But I don't think you'd want to ask him to do that in year one.

And holy crap the garbage being spewed about his shooting is annoying. You only draft him if you think it can improve. It not like he has a broken shot.

[TNRaps4life]

Anyone watching pro day on ESPN?

[WuTang_OG]

I'm not looking at him as a finished product at all, but we have to acknowledge that players who come into the NBA with huge weaknesses don't always improve.
I think this idea that ever top 5 pick is going to improve because they are young is a fallacy.

You clearly are, since you're ragging on his strength.

I don't think you understand what he is as a prospect because he literally does everything well offensively as a 5 and he just showed this past year that he is a game changer on the defensive end

You know that it’s ok to acknowledge the weaknesses of prospects right?
Expecting every prospect to improve on their weaknesses at the next level is fantasy, but if that’s what you want to believe then good for you.

The dude will get pushed around like a rag doll and expecting him to play center in the league is ridiculous.

"huge weakness" lol ...

The only "weakness" we are talking about is his physique and I just explained that hes 19 and will take a few years to grow into his body. Which is normal for most prospects. He's an agile 5. Chris Bosh, Anthony Davis both had similar body types coming out of college and put on the mass to bang down low.

[vulture]

You clearly are, since you're ragging on his strength.

I don't think you understand what he is as a prospect because he literally does everything well offensively as a 5 and he just showed this past year that he is a game changer on the defensive end

You know that it’s ok to acknowledge the weaknesses of prospects right?
Expecting every prospect to improve on their weaknesses at the next level is fantasy, but if that’s what you want to believe then good for you.

The dude will get pushed around like a rag doll and expecting him to play center in the league is ridiculous.

"huge weakness" lol ...

The only "weakness" we are talking about is his physique and I just explained that hes 19 and will take a few years to grow into his body. Which is normal for most prospects. He's an agile 5. Chris Bosh, Anthony Davis both had similar body types coming out of college and put on the mass to bang down low.

Weaknesses: weak post game, inconsistent jump shot, doesn’t set physical screens guards and wings get into his body.

Also for every Anthony Davis, there is Marvin bagley, mo bamba and willie caulie Stein.
The rate of a prospect not being as good as we all think is sky high.

[WuTang_OG]

You know that it’s ok to acknowledge the weaknesses of prospects right?
Expecting every prospect to improve on their weaknesses at the next level is fantasy, but if that’s what you want to believe then good for you.

The dude will get pushed around like a rag doll and expecting him to play center in the league is ridiculous.

"huge weakness" lol ...

The only "weakness" we are talking about is his physique and I just explained that hes 19 and will take a few years to grow into his body. Which is normal for most prospects. He's an agile 5. Chris Bosh, Anthony Davis both had similar body types coming out of college and put on the mass to bang down low.

Weaknesses: weak post game, inconsistent jump shot, doesn’t set physical screens guards and wings get into his body.

Also for every Anthony Davis, there is Marvin bagley, mo bamba and willie caulie Stein.
The rate of a prospect not being as good as we all think is sky high.

Every prospect has weaknesses. Suggs - weak handle/shooting, Green - defense/strength, Cade - explosiveness.

Mobley shot 58% last year. His shooting from 3 will only improve.

But to say Mobley is not good because he will get pushed around as a 5 when he hasnt grown in his body just like Bosh and Davis (who have similar body types) is complete false.

[vulture]

"huge weakness" lol ...

The only "weakness" we are talking about is his physique and I just explained that hes 19 and will take a few years to grow into his body. Which is normal for most prospects. He's an agile 5. Chris Bosh, Anthony Davis both had similar body types coming out of college and put on the mass to bang down low.

Weaknesses: weak post game, inconsistent jump shot, doesn’t set physical screens guards and wings get into his body.

Also for every Anthony Davis, there is Marvin bagley, mo bamba and willie caulie Stein.
The rate of a prospect not being as good as we all think is sky high.

Every prospect has weaknesses. Suggs - weak handle/shooting, Green - defense/strength, Cade - explosiveness.

Mobley shot 58% last year. His shooting from 3 will only improve.

But to say Mobley is not good because he will get pushed around as a 5 when he hasnt grown in his body just like Bosh and Davis (who have similar body types) is complete false.

And that’s exactly what I’m saying that all the prospects have weaknesses and expecting those weaknesses to improve against better competition is so naive. He’s not a good shooter and doesn’t set physical screens and on defense he will get destroyed against good guards and wings who will get into his body. You can also see that he goes for too many blocks and is repeatedly out of position.

Mobley is just not 5 at the moment because he can’t hold his position so comparing him to guys like AD and bosh doesn’t mean much to me because of those guys are the exception.

However if you think he will be as good as bosh or AD he would be the consensus #1.

[RapsFanInOhio]

These talks of Barnes at the 5... Barnes is best suited as a big guard defender with handles. Why would you put Barnes at 5 to defend Embiid and Vucevic? Because Barnes shooting sucks at everywhere except 5? Ridiculous mental gymnastics to reach for Barnes.

Who said anything about gaurding Embiid or Vucevic?

I'm pretty sure I'm the biggest Barnes hype guy around here and I've clearly said he fits as a small ball 5.

That said, if he adds 10-15 pounds muscle over the next couple years he has the length and jumping to play against the jumbo bigs. But I don't think you'd want to ask him to do that in year one.

And holy crap the garbage being spewed about his shooting is annoying. You only draft him if you think it can improve. It not like he has a broken shot.

It's not a broken shot, but it's not the prettiest form either and he doesn't have confidence shooting it.

That said, it's not his shot that worries me. It's a combination of his shooting and his handle that worries me. WIll he be able to create baskets for himself? I don't know.

[WuTang_OG]

Weaknesses: weak post game, inconsistent jump shot, doesn’t set physical screens guards and wings get into his body.

Also for every Anthony Davis, there is Marvin bagley, mo bamba and willie caulie Stein.
The rate of a prospect not being as good as we all think is sky high.

Every prospect has weaknesses. Suggs - weak handle/shooting, Green - defense/strength, Cade - explosiveness.

Mobley shot 58% last year. His shooting from 3 will only improve.

But to say Mobley is not good because he will get pushed around as a 5 when he hasnt grown in his body just like Bosh and Davis (who have similar body types) is complete false.

And that’s exactly what I’m saying that all the prospects have weaknesses and expecting those weaknesses to improve against better competition is so naive. He’s not a good shooter and doesn’t set physical screens and on defense he will get destroyed against good guards and wings who will get into his body. You can also see that he goes for too many blocks and is repeatedly out of position.

Mobley is just not 5 at the moment because he can’t hold his position so comparing him to guys like AD and bosh doesn’t mean much to me because of those guys are the exception.

However if you think he will be as good as bosh or AD he would be the consensus #1.

Let's agree that you dont know what you're talking about. Everything you said about him especially defensively is false.

[AbC?]

And that’s exactly what I’m saying that all the prospects have weaknesses and expecting those weaknesses to improve against better competition is so naive. He’s not a good shooter and doesn’t set physical screens and on defense he will get destroyed against good guards and wings who will get into his body. You can also see that he goes for too many blocks and is repeatedly out of position.

Mobley is just not 5 at the moment because he can’t hold his position so comparing him to guys like AD and bosh doesn’t mean much to me because of those guys are the exception.

However if you think he will be as good as bosh or AD he would be the consensus #1.

Tell me you haven't watched Mobley play at all without saying you haven't watched Mobley play at all.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Anyone watching pro day on ESPN?

Is it still on?

[vulture]

Every prospect has weaknesses. Suggs - weak handle/shooting, Green - defense/strength, Cade - explosiveness.

Mobley shot 58% last year. His shooting from 3 will only improve.

But to say Mobley is not good because he will get pushed around as a 5 when he hasnt grown in his body just like Bosh and Davis (who have similar body types) is complete false.

And that’s exactly what I’m saying that all the prospects have weaknesses and expecting those weaknesses to improve against better competition is so naive. He’s not a good shooter and doesn’t set physical screens and on defense he will get destroyed against good guards and wings who will get into his body. You can also see that he goes for too many blocks and is repeatedly out of position.

Mobley is just not 5 at the moment because he can’t hold his position so comparing him to guys like AD and bosh doesn’t mean much to me because of those guys are the exception.

However if you think he will be as good as bosh or AD he would be the consensus #1.

Let's agree that you dont know what you're talking about. Everything you said about him especially defensively is false.

Alright kiddo good luck with your fantasies of generational talent!!

[WuTang_OG]

And that’s exactly what I’m saying that all the prospects have weaknesses and expecting those weaknesses to improve against better competition is so naive. He’s not a good shooter and doesn’t set physical screens and on defense he will get destroyed against good guards and wings who will get into his body. You can also see that he goes for too many blocks and is repeatedly out of position.

Mobley is just not 5 at the moment because he can’t hold his position so comparing him to guys like AD and bosh doesn’t mean much to me because of those guys are the exception.

However if you think he will be as good as bosh or AD he would be the consensus #1.

Let's agree that you dont know what you're talking about. Everything you said about him especially defensively is false.

Alright kiddo good luck with your fantasies of generational talent!!

Some people are so behind in the race, they actually think their leading

[VanWest82]

If we draft Mobley then OG will play the 5 vs. big match ups just like last year. Problem solved.

[WuTang_OG]

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[niQ]

Let's agree that you dont know what you're talking about. Everything you said about him especially defensively is false.

Alright kiddo good luck with your fantasies of generational talent!!

Some people are so behind in the race, they actually think their leading

Guys, let's just leave it at that. No need to get that heated.

[mtcan]

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Masai obviously scouting Ben Uzoh...time to make his return to the Raptors...

[CanadaB-Ball]

Weaknesses: weak post game, inconsistent jump shot, doesn’t set physical screens guards and wings get into his body.

Also for every Anthony Davis, there is Marvin bagley, mo bamba and willie caulie Stein.
The rate of a prospect not being as good as we all think is sky high.

Every prospect has weaknesses. Suggs - weak handle/shooting, Green - defense/strength, Cade - explosiveness.

Mobley shot 58% last year. His shooting from 3 will only improve.

But to say Mobley is not good because he will get pushed around as a 5 when he hasnt grown in his body just like Bosh and Davis (who have similar body types) is complete false.

And that’s exactly what I’m saying that all the prospects have weaknesses and expecting those weaknesses to improve against better competition is so naive. He’s not a good shooter and doesn’t set physical screens and on defense he will get destroyed against good guards and wings who will get into his body. You can also see that he goes for too many blocks and is repeatedly out of position.

Mobley is just not 5 at the moment because he can’t hold his position so comparing him to guys like AD and bosh doesn’t mean much to me because of those guys are the exception.

However if you think he will be as good as bosh or AD he would be the consensus #1.

Holy mother of ****— this is one of the worst posts I’ve read in a while.

[MikeM]

I'd probably pick Suggs but there's a world where Barnes develops a jumper and now he's a guy who can play center, lead a fast break and also run pick and roll which... doesn't exist?

[Buff]

I'm not looking at him as a finished product at all, but we have to acknowledge that players who come into the NBA with huge weaknesses don't always improve.
I think this idea that ever top 5 pick is going to improve because they are young is a fallacy.

Except his weakness is physical, which is by far the easiest to overcome for a 19 year old. I think Bosh is the perfect center for this era, Mobley is taller and light years ahead of Bosh on defense while having a comparable body.

[Buff]

https://youtu.be/AfSLNBiDgCQ?t=447

amazing play

Mobley or Suggs cant go wrong !!!!!!

Nope you can't but I do see an "it" factor with Suggs with his winning plays. So he has the edge for me but I'd still be happy with either.

I prefer Suggs as well, but I've talking myself into Mobley lately. I can not get myself to call him a consolation prize.