Marc Stein: Toronto has expressed interest in Ben Simmons

[maternal85]

Morey wouldn't give Thybulle for Lowry, he ain't giving up Simmons for him. It would probably cost Siakam or OG.

Morey is like Ainge. He doesn't sell his assets cheap.

The market is the market. His feelings doesn't matter. Bring Simmons back for another year and watch him get booed each game. Morey has no leverage here. Didn't he do the Harden trade ?

[maternal85]

Philly is desperate. They're in win-now mode. If they scan around the league and can't find the "All-Star Calibre player" they're looking for.....Kyle Lowry might be their best option. That's when Masai gonna pounce.

Kyle Lowry S&T, Chris Boucher Paul Watson JR + 2nd for Ben Simmons.

Morey runs that team now. He isn't getting fleeced.

Simmons simply isn't that good at basketball. It's not about fleecing. It's about an NBA max player too scared to shoot the basketball.

[Mister Ze]

I used to be on the Simmons bandwagon ever since he was drafted, but now I wouldn’t trade OG or Pascal for him. I think he can still turn his career around but I wouldn’t bet on it .

- he’s young but hasn’t improved much since entering the league
- dangerously low percent free throw shooter
- non existent jumper
- he’s passive on offense in the second half at times
- not a closer

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Morey wouldn't give Thybulle for Lowry, he ain't giving up Simmons for him. It would probably cost Siakam or OG.

Morey is like Ainge. He doesn't sell his assets cheap.

The market is the market. His feelings doesn't matter. Bring Simmons back for another year and watch him get booed each game. Morey has no leverage here. Didn't he do the Harden trade ?

Bill Simmons said Morey is a guy doesn't want to lose a trade like Ainge. Our GM is similar so I doubt a deal gets done

[ratul]

Only Lowry works for us. In a sign and trade. Def not the fourth pick

[Clay Davis]

Simmons's passing is largely useless. His assists are like Jose's: he passes the ball to someone else so they can take a shot. His own neglible scoring prowess means that the shot which is taken could very well not be a good shot (see the position he left Thybulle in).

Look how effective a truly elite playmaker in CP3 is with Ayton against a Milwaukee team that is significantly better defensively than the Hawks. Simmons + Embiid would not exert nearly the same pressure on the Bucks since Chris Paul is much better at taking what the defense gives him -- which is often an opportunity to take his own tough shot

His playmaking is only elite in transition, and even then, it's not like he adds much to us if we remove our best transition finisher for him.

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[Jcity08]

I used to be on the Simmons bandwagon ever since he was drafted, but now I wouldn’t trade OG or Pascal for him. I think he can still turn his career around but I wouldn’t bet on it .

- he’s young but hasn’t improved much since entering the league
- dangerously low percent free throw shooter
- non existent jumper
- he’s passive on offense in the second half at times
- not a closer

He's also resigned himself to being a flawed player.

"I am who I am"

Thats line is probably the most damaging to his stock. It screams gutless and someone that has no apetite to improve.

[raptoratode]

What really are Morey's options?

1 - Trade Ben this off season - that's selling low right? after that horrible playoffs?

2 - Use this regular season to rebuild Ben's stock, then trade him at the deadline

Thus, I'm quite skeptical something gets done with Ben this summer given the potential low ball treatment he'll get from other teams.

I suspect PHI's assets are currently categorized as:

CORE / UNTOUCHABLE: Embiid

IN PLAY: Everyone else on the roster (even Doc)

NEED TO DISPOSE OFF: Ben (But how?!?)


And oh... DO NOT TOUCH #4 !!... Morey shouldn't even sniff this at all!

[Ackshun]

Thought I would put some Philly sports radio on at 6am on the way to work, and they were just starting to chat Ben. One host was just completely over him, the other one said Morey won't sell low so don't expect a trade.

They both assume its done by draft night if it is happening since Philly will want 2021 picks.

They spent most of their time chatting about Lillard to Philly. One guy was hesitant to include Thybulle lol.

First caller threw the 3 way with GS out there but they shut it down.

[OakleyDokely]

Thought I would put some Philly sports radio on at 6am on the way to work, and they were just starting to chat Ben. One host was just completely over him, the other one said Morey won't sell low so don't expect a trade.

They both assume its done by draft night if it is happening since Philly will want 2021 picks.

They spent most of their time chatting about Lillard to Philly. One guy was hesitant to include Thybulle lol.

First caller threw the 3 way with GS out there but they shut it down.

It just amazes me that the #1 seed and one of the favorites for the title treats Thybulle like he's some superstar prospect in trade negotiations.

It would be like Masai not including Val or Delon in a Gasol trade. When you're close, you need to add established talent to push you over the top, not worry about your average young players.

Like the 2019 Raptors, Philly is on the clock because you dont know how long Embiid's body will hold up.

[yassillio]

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https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2094398&p=92443841#p92443841

look at the sixers board

The Stanford mod really said KL +Siakam + 4th for Ben then calls raptor fans the dumbest on earth

Dudes an idiot

I can't wait to read their board once a trade goes through with any team and they are upset at it

AND he wasn't even happy with it lol ! I don't remember if it was him ( I think it was ) but said something along the lines of " well we don't want D'Angelo Russel so I guess that's ok "

[WuTang_CMB]

Philly fans are really spun. They dont want to admit they should have traded for Lowry at the deadline. Now they are coming up with these horrid deals to get Siakam, FVV, Trent. Philly is taking steps back next season cuz theyre lost

[Ackshun]

Thought I would put some Philly sports radio on at 6am on the way to work, and they were just starting to chat Ben. One host was just completely over him, the other one said Morey won't sell low so don't expect a trade.

They both assume its done by draft night if it is happening since Philly will want 2021 picks.

They spent most of their time chatting about Lillard to Philly. One guy was hesitant to include Thybulle lol.

First caller threw the 3 way with GS out there but they shut it down.

It just amazes me that the #1 seed and one of the favorites for the title treats Thybulle like he's some superstar prospect in trade negotiations.

It would be like Masai not including Val or Delon in a Gasol trade. When you're close, you need to add established talent to push you over the top, not worry about your average young players.

Like the 2019 Raptors, Philly is on the clock because you dont know how long Embiid's body will hold up.

Yeah they sounded more bent of shape losing him than Ben. I don't get it.

[mtcan]

Thought I would put some Philly sports radio on at 6am on the way to work, and they were just starting to chat Ben. One host was just completely over him, the other one said Morey won't sell low so don't expect a trade.

They both assume its done by draft night if it is happening since Philly will want 2021 picks.

They spent most of their time chatting about Lillard to Philly. One guy was hesitant to include Thybulle lol.

First caller threw the 3 way with GS out there but they shut it down.

It just amazes me that the #1 seed and one of the favorites for the title treats Thybulle like he's some superstar prospect in trade negotiations.

It would be like Masai not including Val or Delon in a Gasol trade. When you're close, you need to add established talent to push you over the top, not worry about your average young players.

Like the 2019 Raptors, Philly is on the clock because you dont know how long Embiid's body will hold up.

Yeah they sounded more bent of shape losing him than Ben. I don't get it.

Stockholm Syndrome...

[Kordic27]

I’m going to say it till im blue in the face - Simmons can not play in the closing minutes of big games. Like, the important part of important games. Your $35m player can’t play basketball when it matters! So the question becomes, do you want him at all? Answer - if you want to make the playoffs, yes. If you want to succeed in the playoffs, no.
So what do we want?

[Parataxis]

Philly fans are really spun. They dont want to admit they should have traded for Lowry at the deadline. Now they are coming up with these horrid deals to get Siakam, FVV, Trent. Philly is taking steps back next season cuz theyre lost

This is it exactly. Somebody in the GB was suggesting Siakam Plus Lowry plus more.

Living in the (idealised) past.

If Philly wants Lowry, they need to move a lot of salary out somehow. That means players leaving for no other return.

[Ackshun]

Philly fans are really spun. They dont want to admit they should have traded for Lowry at the deadline. Now they are coming up with these horrid deals to get Siakam, FVV, Trent. Philly is taking steps back next season cuz theyre lost

This is it exactly. Somebody in the GB was suggesting Siakam Plus Lowry plus more.

Living in the (idealised) past.

If Philly wants Lowry, they need to move a lot of salary out somehow. That means players leaving for no other return.

Most of them think it's Beal, Lillard type of guys. I even saw Kyrie last night.

They like the Warriors picks but realize they would need salary back, and they don't want Wiggins

**** off right

[Parataxis]

Philly fans are really spun. They dont want to admit they should have traded for Lowry at the deadline. Now they are coming up with these horrid deals to get Siakam, FVV, Trent. Philly is taking steps back next season cuz theyre lost

This is it exactly. Somebody in the GB was suggesting Siakam Plus Lowry plus more.

Living in the (idealised) past.

If Philly wants Lowry, they need to move a lot of salary out somehow. That means players leaving for no other return.

Most of them think it's Beal, Lillard type of guys. I even saw Kyrie last night.

**** off right

I mean, if they can get Beal or Lillard for Simmons, more power to them.

It would shock me though.

[NeoDragonKnight]

His salary is too much for someone who cant shoot or be assertive, he flat out is not a franchise player. Would you like him on your team as a role player? For sure, but that salary is obscene for not being a go to guy and will cripple your payroll/team for years until his contract is done, some fans only look at what they have to give up in the trade but not the long term salary ramifications, I dont get it. Let someone else deal with it.

[NBA Sheady]

There is absolutely no way Philly does that. they wouldn't trade for Thybulle and Maxey for Lowry at the deadline and they can find a better deal than that elsewhere.

I would personally be shocked if they got even one player as good as Lowry. Simmons destroyed his value in the second round this year.

The guy made the all-star team and was all-defense this year. His value hasn't gone down as much as you think.

It will be interesting to see what the market dictates.