Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[god shammgod]

That makes a little more sense. Don't get me wrong, would love to do that deal. Just sounds like a pretty crappy offer and people are getting too excited about it. It will probably cost more.

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appears to be an option is how he put it. i don't think the knicks should offer more than that unless it's a 2nd or something like that.

the deal itself is a steal. once you pay him though ? maxing out both randle & sexton the same summer is horrific and dooms the team to mediocrity. i think at that point they both become contracts that nobody really wants and so you either keep them for 4 years or play the trade one bad contract for another game. it's a fate worse than death or sharing a pizza with melo and thinking you'll get more than 1 slice before he eats the rest of the pizza.

Which is why the deal is a steal. It's basically the Porzingis deal.

A couple points on that. With an extra year to pay vs KP, he either plays like a max player or he doesn't. If he doesn't, you have to either not pay the max or walk away.

if a kid on a rookie deal is the top or 2nd top scorer on a playoff team, he'll get a max deal. they almost always do.

[Juco24]

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appears to be an option is how he put it. i don't think the knicks should offer more than that unless it's a 2nd or something like that.

the deal itself is a steal. once you pay him though ? maxing out both randle & sexton the same summer is horrific and dooms the team to mediocrity. i think at that point they both become contracts that nobody really wants and so you either keep them for 4 years or play the trade one bad contract for another game. it's a fate worse than death or sharing a pizza with melo and thinking you'll get more than 1 slice before he eats the rest of the pizza.

Lol @ the pizza, but just imagine us having maxed out both Sexton and Randle.... good Lord

realistically, it's unlikely that any of those guys will be a top 10 player. will one even be a top 15 player ? maybe rj or sex will get there, i don't see it, but maybe. and that's a best case scenario. will that ever be good enough ? no. so you need a trade for a real star still and you'd have to give up the rest of your assets to do that. is a team built around top 10 player, randle & sexton good enough ? maybe if there's another pandemic. otherwise, nope.

That part... and sending away assets (any, particularly a 1st) hurts our chances to trade for a real star. It's not rocket science

[Celo]

Knicks are def in hot pursuit per shams but i still don't buy that other guys deal as the one that will get it done.

They really paused the interview without saying much and said they would continue next week like it's a series on tv. This is the netflix era. Nobody's got the patience for that anymore

I do think in an ideal world the Cavs are hoping to get some all-star caliber talent back - they'd obviously have to add some assets in that case. At least that's what I get from hearing their name being linked to the Simmons sweepstakes.

But I also think that getting Obi may be in their interest, since they already thought about drafting him.

I don't think there's really interest in Knox. I'd be surprised if he has any value that exceeds a 2nd rounder at all.

If possible, I'd keep both 1st rounders this year and offer the Mavs '23 pick. So that the ultimate package would be something along the lines of Obi, #32 and Mavs '23. Pretty light in my eyes, but it's hard to gauge Sextons value around the league. If they asked for this years first, I do at least hope it's 21 and not 19. Not that 2 spots mean the world, but who knows who'll slip in the draft.

Obi's value has plummetted since the draft. I think he can be a useful player off the bench, but they already have a better version of him locked up in Larry Nance. I dont think they will get an allstar player, but they may be able to get a better package of picks/players especially since teams like NO, OKC and Miami seem to be interested too. It seems like we rarely get those steals (we did for Rose), so just think in the end it will cost more

Oh yeah, you're absolutely right regarding Obis value, especially since he was considered to be Roy favorite by Vegas. I do think tho that his value has somewhat recovered (but obviously not to the point where it once was) as he has proven to be playable in the playoffs.

I don't know enough about Nance to say he's penciled in as their starter. So I do think there's potentially a spot in their starting 5 to fill at the 4 spot should they not draft Mobley but Green.

My only hope is that with trading for Sexton you're probably committing to paying him a max extension - which he isn't worth now (at least in my opinion) but may very well be during that contract's span. So maybe that's somewhat driving the price down? As it's also probably the one reason why Cleveland wants to trade him.

I'm not the highest on Sexton. But the lower we can keep the price, the happier I'd be with a trade for him.

[Capn'O]

Also, him being untradeable shouldn't be true. The Nets leveraged DLO to get Durant. If something like that isn't available, unless he's horrible or injured all the time there's always an option.

[god shammgod]

i think the part that people missing is that a best case scenario is that sexton becomes a randle level player. which is great in a vacuum after you traded obi and a late 1st for him. it's not great when his running mate is actually randle. some of you aren't worried because you have "better than jordan at this age" rj on the team but those of us living in reality know that he too is, at best, another randle. it's a collection of 3rd stars.

[Capn'O]

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appears to be an option is how he put it. i don't think the knicks should offer more than that unless it's a 2nd or something like that.

the deal itself is a steal. once you pay him though ? maxing out both randle & sexton the same summer is horrific and dooms the team to mediocrity. i think at that point they both become contracts that nobody really wants and so you either keep them for 4 years or play the trade one bad contract for another game. it's a fate worse than death or sharing a pizza with melo and thinking you'll get more than 1 slice before he eats the rest of the pizza.

Which is why the deal is a steal. It's basically the Porzingis deal.

A couple points on that. With an extra year to pay vs KP, he either plays like a max player or he doesn't. If he doesn't, you have to either not pay the max or walk away.

if a kid on a rookie deal is the top or 2nd top scorer on a playoff team, he'll get a max deal. they almost always do.

Then he won't be unmovable on that deal and may be a piece of a bigger deal. You need salary and a young piece to make star trades. Zach Lavine.

[god shammgod]

Also, him being untradeable shouldn't be true. The Nets leveraged DLO to get Durant. If something like that isn't available, unless he's horrible or injured all the time there's always an option.

the warriors traded him quick before year 1 was even up and they had to take wiggins. is dlo trade-able now for value ? would you give up obi and a 1st for him ?

[mpharris36]

i think the part that people missing is that a best case scenario is that sexton becomes a randle level player. which is great in a vacuum after you traded obi and a late 1st for him. it's not great when his running mate is actually randle. some of you aren't worried because you have "better than jordan at this age" rj on the team but those of us living in reality know that he too is, at best, another randle. it's a collection of 3rd stars.

with Sexton/RJ/Randle core though before you have to pay them all you would have a year to convince an actual star to come play with all 3. If that is your core 3 even as they improve its probably a conference semi's max type team.

The good thing it does leave the ability to sign a star if you play your cards right.

[god shammgod]

Which is why the deal is a steal. It's basically the Porzingis deal.

A couple points on that. With an extra year to pay vs KP, he either plays like a max player or he doesn't. If he doesn't, you have to either not pay the max or walk away.

if a kid on a rookie deal is the top or 2nd top scorer on a playoff team, he'll get a max deal. they almost always do.

Then he won't be unmovable on that deal and may be a piece of a bigger deal. You need salary and a young piece to make star trades. Zach Lavine.

we're trading sexton for lavine ?

[Juco24]

i think the part that people missing is that a best case scenario is that sexton becomes a randle level player. which is great in a vacuum after you traded obi and a late 1st for him. it's not great when his running mate is actually randle. some of you aren't worried because you have "better than jordan at this age" rj on the team but those of us living in reality know that he too is, at best, another randle. it's a collection of 3rd stars.

Mannnn, you're spitting sound knowledge today!!

[mpharris36]

Also, him being untradeable shouldn't be true. The Nets leveraged DLO to get Durant. If something like that isn't available, unless he's horrible or injured all the time there's always an option.

the warriors traded him quick before year 1 was even up and they had to take wiggins. is dlo trade-able now for value ? would you give up obi and a 1st for him ?

they also have the #7 pick from it too.

Would you take on Wiggins to get #7?

[Marty McFly]

ya'll are gonna regret trading that #19th pick.

[god shammgod]

Also, him being untradeable shouldn't be true. The Nets leveraged DLO to get Durant. If something like that isn't available, unless he's horrible or injured all the time there's always an option.

the warriors traded him quick before year 1 was even up and they had to take wiggins. is dlo trade-able now for value ? would you give up obi and a 1st for him ?

they also have the #7 pick from it too.

Would you take on Wiggins to get #7?

you're missing the point. i'm talking about d'lo's value after year 1 of his max deal. do you think anyone would still trade a bad contract and a top 10 pick for d'lo ?

[Ghetto Gospel]

i think the part that people missing is that a best case scenario is that sexton becomes a randle level player. which is great in a vacuum after you traded obi and a late 1st for him. it's not great when his running mate is actually randle. some of you aren't worried because you have "better than jordan at this age" rj on the team but those of us living in reality know that he too is, at best, another randle. it's a collection of 3rd stars.

pretty sure the front office isn't looking to build a championship contender, they're just looking to make the knicks a league embarrassment no more

[mpharris36]

the warriors traded him quick before year 1 was even up and they had to take wiggins. is dlo trade-able now for value ? would you give up obi and a 1st for him ?

they also have the #7 pick from it too.

Would you take on Wiggins to get #7?

you're missing the point. i'm talking about d'lo's value after year 1 of his max deal. do you think anyone would still trade a bad contract and a top 10 pick for d'lo ?

I think thats a fair point. But D'lo trajectory due to injuries and his max skillset kinda maxed out. Sexton currently is on a upward trajectory. That is why there is some risk level too it.

Sexton is 22 if you believe he still ascending as a player. Kinda the LaVine situation then it makes sense to make the committment. If he kinda plateaus like D'lo then you probably don't have a valuable asset.

[3toheadmelo]

You still have a year to get another star along with Sexton rj and Randle

[Marty McFly]

Also, him being untradeable shouldn't be true. The Nets leveraged DLO to get Durant. If something like that isn't available, unless he's horrible or injured all the time there's always an option.

the warriors traded him quick before year 1 was even up and they had to take wiggins. is dlo trade-able now for value ? would you give up obi and a 1st for him ?

they also have the #7 pick from it too.

Would you take on Wiggins to get #7?

I would. Wiggins had a good relationship with Thibs, supposedly.

[mpharris36]

You still have a year to get another star along with Sexton rj and Randle

I think that is the one reason I would commit to it because of that factor. The clock would be ticking but they would have a year before everyone got paid.

[F N 11]

ya'll are gonna reset trading that #19th pick.

Que the "You not getting 25PPG from the draft pick" which is true bc Thibs is fuqing stubborn. Its a young mans game, tell Thibs to catch up.

[god shammgod]

they also have the #7 pick from it too.

Would you take on Wiggins to get #7?

you're missing the point. i'm talking about d'lo's value after year 1 of his max deal. do you think anyone would still trade a bad contract and a top 10 pick for d'lo ?

I think thats a fair point. But D'lo trajectory due to injuries and his max skillset kinda maxed out. Sexton currently is on a upward trajectory. That is why there is some risk level too it.

Sexton is 22 if you believe he still ascending as a player. Kinda the LaVine situation then it makes sense to make the committment. If he kinda plateaus like D'lo then you probably don't have a valuable asset.

i'm fine with it for the year. it's after that. i can't be convinced that signing both randle and sexton to maxes makes sense. even if they both play very good. it just won't be good enough to contend.