Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[DaGawd]

Lol @ the pizza, but just imagine us having maxed out both Sexton and Randle.... good Lord

realistically, it's unlikely that any of those guys will be a top 10 player. will one even be a top 15 player ? maybe rj or sex will get there, i don't see it, but maybe. and that's a best case scenario. will that ever be good enough ? no. so you need a trade for a real star still and you'd have to give up the rest of your assets to do that. is a team built around top 10 player, randle & sexton good enough ? maybe if there's another pandemic. otherwise, nope.

That part... and sending away assets (any, particularly a 1st) hurts our chances to trade for a real star. It's not rocket science

And what if the FO feels like Sexton can be that “real star”? I mean the talent, youth and potential are there..

[mpharris36]

you're missing the point. i'm talking about d'lo's value after year 1 of his max deal. do you think anyone would still trade a bad contract and a top 10 pick for d'lo ?

I think thats a fair point. But D'lo trajectory due to injuries and his max skillset kinda maxed out. Sexton currently is on a upward trajectory. That is why there is some risk level too it.

Sexton is 22 if you believe he still ascending as a player. Kinda the LaVine situation then it makes sense to make the committment. If he kinda plateaus like D'lo then you probably don't have a valuable asset.

i'm fine with it for the year. it's after that. i can't be convinced that signing both randle and sexton to maxes makes sense. even if they both play very good. it just won't be good enough to contend.

thats why you have to sign another player before and use there cap holds to our benefit.

Ultimately that is why Sexton is probably coming cheaper then expected because teams have questions about paying him all that money.

[Kampuchea]

he didn't say that was going to be the deal to be fair. he said ny had offered that.

That makes a little more sense. Don't get me wrong, would love to do that deal. Just sounds like a pretty crappy offer and people are getting too excited about it. It will probably cost more.

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appears to be an option is how he put it. i don't think the knicks should offer more than that unless it's a 2nd or something like that.

the deal itself is a steal. once you pay him though ? maxing out both randle & sexton the same summer is horrific and dooms the team to mediocrity. i think at that point they both become contracts that nobody really wants and so you either keep them for 4 years or play the trade one bad contract for another game. it's a fate worse than death or sharing a pizza with melo and thinking you'll get more than 1 slice before he eats the rest of the pizza.

Who is this Evan Dammarell? Just wondering if he knows anything or just a random and we are running with it.

[HEZI]

Guards with skills are always moveable

[god shammgod]

I think thats a fair point. But D'lo trajectory due to injuries and his max skillset kinda maxed out. Sexton currently is on a upward trajectory. That is why there is some risk level too it.

Sexton is 22 if you believe he still ascending as a player. Kinda the LaVine situation then it makes sense to make the committment. If he kinda plateaus like D'lo then you probably don't have a valuable asset.

i'm fine with it for the year. it's after that. i can't be convinced that signing both randle and sexton to maxes makes sense. even if they both play very good. it just won't be good enough to contend.

thats why you have to sign another player before and use there cap holds to our benefit.

we'll see. because if you don't, at that point you should probably let both of them go which means getting back in the lottery and also...you're fired.

[3toheadmelo]

You still have a year to get another star along with Sexton rj and Randle

I think that is the one reason I would commit to it because of that factor. The clock would be ticking but they would have a year before everyone got paid.

Yep. We would basically have 3 stars (hopefully 4 if RJ improves). With the Nets always hurt… I would take this chance. Bucks don’t scare me

[HEZI]

Y’all deserve Elfrid Payton for 5 more years lol

[3toheadmelo]

I don’t see why you don’t take this deal, even if you’re scared that Sexton isn’t worth a max. The only point guards in this league really worth maxes are Steph, Luka, Dame, Trae. Those guys are very rare to get so if you’re gonna wait for us to get one of those type of players… you’ll probably be dead before wingo. Take Sexton and hope he continues to improve. Beggars can’t be choosers. Unless y’all rather max lonzo

[mpharris36]

Y’all deserve Elfrid Payton for 5 more years lol

thats your guy!

[spree8]

Olynyk. He can function some as a backup 4 too. Well, depending on matchup.

Olynyk would be perfect here, just like Lonzo. He’s a helluva passer too, and can put the ball on the floor n get his own shot. Bringing in him, Zo, Sexton, Luca, and Duarte would be amazing.

I would be SHOCKED if Lonzo gets money here. His rep is that he is afraid of that big man contact while driving to the hole. It is an absolute prerequisite for Thibs that his PG attacks the basket (see Alfrid). Conversely Sexton shoots about 6 free throws per.

Lonzo attempts 1 .2 free throws a game. Not acceptable, let's leave Ball alone.

You don’t have to have everyone attacking the rim. He does so many other things well. Sexton, RJ, and Randle can take care of that.

[mpharris36]

i'm fine with it for the year. it's after that. i can't be convinced that signing both randle and sexton to maxes makes sense. even if they both play very good. it just won't be good enough to contend.

thats why you have to sign another player before and use there cap holds to our benefit.

we'll see. because if you don't, at that point you should probably let both of them go which means getting back in the lottery and also...you're fired.

Correct but at this point the acquisition cost if that is what the knicks are offering is crazy where we would regret it.

Now if you telling me we have to take Love or throw in future 1sts...then that would be a no from me because the acquisition cost would outweigh the benefit.

Right now if your telling me its just Obi, Knox, and one of 19 or 21 then I can live with that one year risk and see if it plays out well. The risk would be worth the acquisition IMO.

[Gravy]

ya'll are gonna reset trading that #19th pick.

Que the "You not getting 25PPG from the draft pick" which is true bc Thibs is fuqing stubborn. Its a young mans game, tell Thibs to catch up.

Sexton is already a 24ppg scorer and the same age as a draft pick lol

[HEZI]

Y’all deserve Elfrid Payton for 5 more years lol

thats your guy!

Fa sho

[Richard4444]

I don’t see why you don’t take this deal, even if you’re scared that Sexton isn’t worth a max. The only point guards in this league really worth maxes are Steph, Luka, Dame, Trae. Those guys are very rare to get so if you’re gonna wait for us to get one of those type of players… you’ll probably be dead before wingo. Take Sexton and hope he continues to improve. Beggars can’t be choosers. Unless y’all rather max lonzo

What about CP3. Harden, Irving, Ja, Fox, Shai, Jrue and LaMello?

[dukeknicksirish]

Won't it be nice when we trade for Sexton, sign LaVine the following year and make it to the ECF in 2 seasons

[god shammgod]

thats why you have to sign another player before and use there cap holds to our benefit.

we'll see. because if you don't, at that point you should probably let both of them go which means getting back in the lottery and also...you're fired.

Correct but at this point the acquisition cost if that is what the knicks are offering is crazy where we would regret it.

Now if you telling me we have to take Love or throw in future 1sts...then that would be a no from me because the acquisition cost would outweigh the benefit.

Right now if your telling me its just Obi, Knox, and one of 19 or 21 then I can live with that one year risk and see if it plays out well. The risk would be worth the acquisition IMO.

the deal is a steal, i'm just worried about the roster afterwards. maybe they should turn around and trade randle to the highest bidder right after. sexton is on the right timeline with the other young players at least.

[3toheadmelo]

ya'll are gonna reset trading that #19th pick.

Que the "You not getting 25PPG from the draft pick" which is true bc Thibs is fuqing stubborn. Its a young mans game, tell Thibs to catch up.

Sexton is already a 24ppg scorer and the same age as a draft pick lol

People rather draft Duarte who’s 24 years old with minimal upside

[3toheadmelo]

I don’t see why you don’t take this deal, even if you’re scared that Sexton isn’t worth a max. The only point guards in this league really worth maxes are Steph, Luka, Dame, Trae. Those guys are very rare to get so if you’re gonna wait for us to get one of those type of players… you’ll probably be dead before wingo. Take Sexton and hope he continues to improve. Beggars can’t be choosers. Unless y’all rather max lonzo

What about CP3. Harden, Irving, Ja, Fox, Shai, Jrue and LaMello?

I’m talking about the true franchise stars who change your franchise on their own. Forgot about Harden. Chris Paul isn’t a max at this stage in this career. Too early to tell for Ja and Lamelo. The rest of the players, no.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Lol @ the pizza, but just imagine us having maxed out both Sexton and Randle.... good Lord

realistically, it's unlikely that any of those guys will be a top 10 player. will one even be a top 15 player ? maybe rj or sex will get there, i don't see it, but maybe. and that's a best case scenario. will that ever be good enough ? no. so you need a trade for a real star still and you'd have to give up the rest of your assets to do that. is a team built around top 10 player, randle & sexton good enough ? maybe if there's another pandemic. otherwise, nope.

That part... and sending away assets (any, particularly a 1st) hurts our chances to trade for a real star. It's not rocket science

What real star is even in the market? We really only have until July 25th to make a trade anyways. As soon as we use these picks on a player they lose a lot of value. Teams prefer the mystery box of the draft pick. If we get lucky and the player we draft ends up as good as IQ it could help us but that’s usually a rare find in the back half of the draft. So unless a star asks out between the end of the season and before the draft I don’t think it’s wasting an asset.

[Marty McFly]

Quickley had a comparable rookie season to Sexton.