Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[DaGawd]

Rose and Mills really fk’d us with the Knox and Obi picks smh

And Frank

Phil too SMH

[god shammgod]

We all just have to acknowledge that Clyde and Red Holzman made a deal with the Devil for those two championships and part of the bargain was the Knicks would never have any great guards again.

but rj is better than kobe at this age. speaking of, was my guy banned already ?

edit - i see. he's still creating terrible threads so no.

He has taken his talents to the GB and let’s say they haven’t been so welcome to him because of his homer takes

well damn. then he'll be banned with the quickness. they won't get the humor out of him that we do.

[thebuzzardman]

Man, f*ck this rat tail midget.

Just practicing for when the deal doesn't happen.

It sounded too good to be true. The deal was highway robbery

I don't know. Sexton is good but not great, and he's going to get paid.
On the other hand, as stated, you'd think they'd want to move Love as part of it.
And Knicks reason for getting Sexton - besides the obvious of he can actually 3 level score - is the ability to get another player, which Love removes.

[3toheadmelo]

I just saw the Duncan Robinson thread..

[prophet_of_rage]

Rose and Mills really fk’d us with the Knox and Obi picks smh

And Phil with Frank. We have to nail our lottery picks and we don't because we don't pick with modern basketball in mind.

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[DowNY]

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[3toheadmelo]

Man, f*ck this rat tail midget.

Just practicing for when the deal doesn't happen.

It sounded too good to be true. The deal was highway robbery

I don't know. Sexton is good but not great, and he's going to get paid.
On the other hand, as stated, you'd think they'd want to move Love as part of it.
And Knicks reason for getting Sexton - besides the obvious of he can actually 3 level score - is the ability to get another player, which Love removes.

To me it is high way robbery. 22 year old guard averaging 24 PPG and in return they get two busts in Obi and Knox, and a first round pick that won’t amount to anything most likely. I am pretty sure Cleveland can get something better than that. the heat is reportedly offering Tyler Herro, who is much better than our whole package. We probably have to give up more. I would just hand over our 21st pick as well, and maybe a top 10 protected pick in the future

[spree2kawhi]

100% agree but the question here is: "Can Sexton be that lead guard?" Based on his performances ytd - the answer "No". He needs/wants the ball in his hands and definitely is not a ball mover

He can create shots...

DEFINITELY! And he does that by having the ball in his hands while not utilizing ball movement. But has he shown the ability to make those around him better? His own teammates have complained about him. He's NOT a point guard but @ 6"1, he's going to need a big guard who can defend,, alongside him or Thibs better find a way to mask his defensive deficiencies

We've got Frank

[louisorr]

Wish they made the deal official already

Meanwhile, in Cleveland media today...

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/07/collin-sexton-trade-a-possibility-for-the-cleveland-cavaliers-its-complicated.html

The Cavs still like Sexton and believe in him. Sources say they’ve put a hefty price tag on him, which could make a deal challenging, and The Athletic identified the New York Knicks as the “most aggressive” trade suitor on Tuesday. The New York Post confirmed Sexton as a player on the Knicks’ radar, even saying he would’ve been their draft pick three years ago had Cleveland not nabbed him one slot earlier.

Cleveland and New York have discussed possibilities, sources say, and it’s an obvious potential trade destination. The Knicks are one of many teams monitoring the situation.

A surprising playoff party crasher this past season, the Knicks ranked 22nd in offensive efficiency during the regular season -- and those struggles became their undoing in the postseason, ranking second-last among 16 qualifiers. Sexton would give them a needed shot-creator, someone to take pressure off Most Improved Player Julius Randle, especially with guards Elfrid Payton, Derrick Rose, Frank Ntilikina and Alec Burks headed for free agency.

Sexton is a client of CAA, the agency that Knicks president Leon Rose ran until last season, and is also well-known by former Cavaliers executive Brock Aller, who was in Cleveland when decision-makers fell in love with Sexton following an eye-popping pre-draft workout.

But what kind of package could New York assemble?

The Cavs were smitten with RJ Barrett ahead of the 2019 draft. They even tried trading up a few spots, sources say. Barrett is reportedly not viewed as untouchable, considered a potential trade centerpiece if the Knicks go star hunting. Coming off a strong sophomore season in which the 21-year-old averaged 17.6 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 3.8 assists while hitting 40.1% from 3-point range and started all 72 games, it’s hard to see the Knicks parting with him for Sexton -- and then agreeing to give Sexton a massive contract.

Power forward Obi Toppin, a player Cleveland considered at No. 5 before choosing Isaac Okoro in the draft last November, doesn’t make much sense for a team that already has more than $40 million invested in Larry Nance Jr. and Kevin Love and could be adding Evan Mobley with the third pick in a few weeks. The Knicks do have a pair of 2021 first-rounders (Nos. 19 and 21), but those are sweeteners as opposed to headliners of a deal. So, who else? Reclamation project Knox? Even packaging all three together would give the Cavs essentially a trio of backups for Sexton.

Think about it more and the Knicks don’t make for the ideal trade partner. Unless Barrett is involved, sending Sexton to New York would be Cleveland making a lateral move -- or perhaps taking a step backward.

Poor guys don’t realize the Cavs are not dealing from a position of power

Exactly. go ahead and be greedy and wind up with what the Pels got for Lonzo. I got my mirrored shades on and aint flinching.

[Juco24]

He can create shots...

DEFINITELY! And he does that by having the ball in his hands while not utilizing ball movement. But has he shown the ability to make those around him better? His own teammates have complained about him. He's NOT a point guard but @ 6"1, he's going to need a big guard who can defend,, alongside him or Thibs better find a way to mask his defensive deficiencies

We've got Frank

[thebuzzardman]

It sounded too good to be true. The deal was highway robbery

I don't know. Sexton is good but not great, and he's going to get paid.
On the other hand, as stated, you'd think they'd want to move Love as part of it.
And Knicks reason for getting Sexton - besides the obvious of he can actually 3 level score - is the ability to get another player, which Love removes.

To me it is high way robbery. 22 year old guard averaging 24 PPG and in return they get two busts in Obi and Knox, and a first round pick that won’t amount to anything most likely. I am pretty sure Cleveland can get something better than that. the heat is reportedly offering Tyler Herro, who is much better than our whole package. We probably have to give up more. I would just hand over our 21st pick as well, and maybe a top 10 protected pick in the future

Is Sexton THAT much better than a Dennis Schroeder who got 19 and 18 ppg for the Hawks and OKC respectively, while those teams were somewhat better?

I think Sexton is good but the stats are a bit inflated. Schroeder got traded for basically a #1 twice.

[sol537]

Grab Duncan Robinson to play SF, then trade for Sexton (or sign Lowry).

Mitch, Randle, DRob, RJ, Sexton (or Lowry). Yeah... we can battle.

[spree2kawhi]

DEFINITELY! And he does that by having the ball in his hands while not utilizing ball movement. But has he shown the ability to make those around him better? His own teammates have complained about him. He's NOT a point guard but @ 6"1, he's going to need a big guard who can defend,, alongside him or Thibs better find a way to mask his defensive deficiencies

We've got Frank

[seren]

it's not about age, it's about how many years guys have on their rookie deal. thats why Cleveland is trading him in the first place. thats why SGA doesn't fit okc's timeline. teams aren't ready to pay these guys. has nothing to do with whether a guy is 22 vs 24 years old.
give me four chances in the next two years to evaluate a kid for four years vs one season to decide whether a guy is worth 150 mil.
sexton is worth one pick and some flotsam and jetsam in my world.

If true, very stupid way of doing business for these franchises. You go through the whole draft to find a player as good as SGA. You have tons of cap space that you have to use (salary floor) and you are going to give away a 22 year old guy with all-star potential for a chance to maybe draft someone with the same potential down the road? That makes zero sense. That is why these guys won't just be given away. Especially SGA. In Cleveland's case, it sounds to me they determined that they simply don't like Sexton.

[3toheadmelo]

I don't know. Sexton is good but not great, and he's going to get paid.
On the other hand, as stated, you'd think they'd want to move Love as part of it.
And Knicks reason for getting Sexton - besides the obvious of he can actually 3 level score - is the ability to get another player, which Love removes.

To me it is high way robbery. 22 year old guard averaging 24 PPG and in return they get two busts in Obi and Knox, and a first round pick that won’t amount to anything most likely. I am pretty sure Cleveland can get something better than that. the heat is reportedly offering Tyler Herro, who is much better than our whole package. We probably have to give up more. I would just hand over our 21st pick as well, and maybe a top 10 protected pick in the future

Is Sexton THAT much better than a Dennis Schroeder who got 19 and 18 ppg for the Hawks and OKC respectively, while those teams were somewhat better?

I think Sexton is good but the stats are a bit inflated. Schroeder got traded for basically a #1 twice.

He’s significantly better than Schroder imo. Schroder wasn’t this good early in his career

[DaGawd]

I don't know. Sexton is good but not great, and he's going to get paid.
On the other hand, as stated, you'd think they'd want to move Love as part of it.
And Knicks reason for getting Sexton - besides the obvious of he can actually 3 level score - is the ability to get another player, which Love removes.

To me it is high way robbery. 22 year old guard averaging 24 PPG and in return they get two busts in Obi and Knox, and a first round pick that won’t amount to anything most likely. I am pretty sure Cleveland can get something better than that. the heat is reportedly offering Tyler Herro, who is much better than our whole package. We probably have to give up more. I would just hand over our 21st pick as well, and maybe a top 10 protected pick in the future

Is Sexton THAT much better than a Dennis Schroeder who got 19 and 18 ppg for the Hawks and OKC respectively, while those teams were somewhat better?

I think Sexton is good but the stats are a bit inflated. Schroeder got traded for basically a #1 twice.

Factor in he’s only in his 3rd year and 22 then yes

[Capn'O]

I can wait until the Knicks land that star drafting in the 20's or with a bundle of picks in the 20's...

People act like the Knicks have OKC's stash of picks or Ainge's back in the day.

They have their own picks. 19 this year. Probably in the upper/mid 20's for the next 4 years. They've got that sexy Dallas #23 this year.
And probably around #23 in '23. Or worse. And that kick ass #32.
And 4021 #2 picks courtesy of Brock Aller.

Those are what will land a "star"?
Yeah, right.

Oh, and the Knicks cap space will be gone in a year.
Or, they move on from Randle

Is this just boiling down into the tank argument again?

This is what we have Big Brock Baller and the analytics brigade for. Gotta find those draft and low key FA gems to shore up the asset base because our existing stock is still in need.

[Capn'O]

Rose and Mills really fk’d us with the Knox and Obi picks smh

And Phil with Frank. We have to nail our lottery picks and we don't because we don't pick with modern basketball in mind.

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Frank and Knox are totally modern players. They're just not that good. Obi will be aight.

[N Y K]

It's about to be a long ass summer, isn't it?

[Capn'O]

I just saw the Duncan Robinson thread..