Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[Capn'O]

It's clear that the Cavs leaked the offer to invite other teams to bid.

It's basically an open call to beat Knox+Obi+1st

If no other team steps up, we'll get him.

Bingo. The reported offer is the current high bid.

As Begley said, a lot can change.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

No Bro, Colin is looking to get paid for 4-5 years and all I'm saying is that the Cavs are in a really bad negotiating position. They want Suggs meaning it'll push Sexton to the bench.

The Knicks can wait it out.

Exactly. Cleveland kind of put themselves in a corner because they aren't going to pay him and if they don't trade him they don't get anything when he walks. If they wait until the trade deadline, his value will probably be lower from playing in a crowded backcourt.

Ours is the offer to beat. Though if Miami offers Herro and agrees to take on Love, that would top our package.

The only team that can absorb Love is, ready, the New York Knicks (thank you Steve Mills).

and if we take Love, you better believe we're getting some swap of picks back. That's ALOT of money Love is getting for what he currently provides.

We can absorb the money, play Love behind Randle and Mitch and buy him out next summer.

I'm generally not in favor of acquiring Love, but if taking him on saves us an asset (or gives us an extra one, e.g. a pick swap), we could also use a lesser asset to unload him next summer when he'll have fewer years left on his contract. It depends on whether we'd rather spend that money this summer instead.

[louisorr]

sounds like it's a draft night deal if it does happen. so gotta be patient. I will say , I got my summer league tix already and if they wind up with no rookies ima be pissed.

[3toheadmelo]

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Fk what the Cavs fans want, this isn't what Don Leon does for a living. He gets his, for his and he's working for us. So chill with the over pay.

If we get Colin, it'll be on our terms, not the Cavs fandom.

You acting like Leon gonna force them to give us Sexton for Payton doesn’t work like that.

If the Knicks got Sexton for that package that’s high way robbery. But I am pretty sure Sexton will go for more. Watch

You're exagerating to quantify your position, I'm not talking Payton. I'm saying is that Don Leon is a power broker and no way he's just giving assets away since there has been a Lavine and Thibs reunion floating since Thibs got here.

You'll need these and future assets for that dude.

Sexton is gonna go for more than that package. Lavine will be a free agent also… you can sign him. Don’t need assets to sign a player.

[Zenzibar]

It's clear that the Cavs leaked the offer to invite other teams to bid.

It's basically an open call to beat Knox+Obi+1st

If no other team steps up, we'll get him.

Bingo. The reported offer is the current high bid.

As Begley said, a lot can change.

It may not seem as much of an offer, but who else has the cap to trade for then sign Colin to $20m per?

[Capn'O]

It's clear that the Cavs leaked the offer to invite other teams to bid.

It's basically an open call to beat Knox+Obi+1st

If no other team steps up, we'll get him.

Bingo. The reported offer is the current high bid.

As Begley said, a lot can change.

It may not seem as much of an offer, but who else has the cap to trade for then sign Colin to $20m per?

Yeah, that's why I say it's like the KP deal. You're acquiring the ability to then pay more. That depresses the asset value.

[FreeSpiritNY]

To be honest getting sexton and taking on love is not a bad deal if we can bring Reggie back and sign Duncan Robinson.

Sexton-rose
Rj-Quickley- Duarte
Duncan-bullock
Randle-love
Mitch-?? Taj.

Honestly not a bad team and finally some more scoring and better 3 point shooting

Rj, quick, Duncan, bullock and Duarte would rank top 10 in 3 point shooting and above average defense.

Remember elf was a below average defender, scorer and everything.

This lineup would dominate our past years line up.

That’s what you ask for better offense above average defense.

Honestly I would rather draft cooper but if we are in win mode down I’ll take Duarte

[GONYK]

It's clear that the Cavs leaked the offer to invite other teams to bid.

It's basically an open call to beat Knox+Obi+1st

If no other team steps up, we'll get him.

Bingo. The reported offer is the current high bid.

As Begley said, a lot can change.

It may not seem as much of an offer, but who else has the cap to trade for then sign Colin to $20m per?

It's not necessarily just the cap. Who has the ability to make the deal, pay the new contract, and still have flexibility to build a core that isn't overly reliant on Collin Sexton?

[FreeSpiritNY]

Bingo. The reported offer is the current high bid.

As Begley said, a lot can change.

It may not seem as much of an offer, but who else has the cap to trade for then sign Colin to $20m per?

It's not necessarily just the cap. Who has the ability to make the deal, pay the new contract, and still have flexibility to build a core that isn't overly reliant on Collin Sexton?

This team would be good for years though. You can’t expect and championship next year. Will it be a slight possibility yes can things also fail yes. But think about a 22 year old who scores 25 a night. They said he doesn’t pass but neither did elfred but he didn’t do anything he didn’t score pass or shoot all three thing sexton does better.

[DaGawd]

sounds like it's a draft night deal if it does happen. so gotta be patient. I will say , I got my summer league tix already and if they wind up with no rookies ima be pissed.

Knicks might deal all the picks.. maybe not for Sexton but in separate deals.. so prepare your anus

[Zenzibar]

Exactly. Cleveland kind of put themselves in a corner because they aren't going to pay him and if they don't trade him they don't get anything when he walks. If they wait until the trade deadline, his value will probably be lower from playing in a crowded backcourt.

Ours is the offer to beat. Though if Miami offers Herro and agrees to take on Love, that would top our package.

The only team that can absorb Love is, ready, the New York Knicks (thank you Steve Mills).

and if we take Love, you better believe we're getting some swap of picks back. That's ALOT of money Love is getting for what he currently provides.

We can absorb the money, play Love behind Randle and Mitch and buy him out next summer.

I'm generally not in favor of acquiring Love, but if taking him on saves us an asset (or gives us an extra one, e.g. a pick swap), we could also use a lesser asset to unload him next summer when he'll have fewer years left on his contract. It depends on whether we'd rather spend that money this summer instead.

Perfect.

We can use Love as a backup 5 and 4, send them Obi and the 21st and swap considerations.

What people here are seriously over-looking is that the Cavs have to do something with Allen as well. They have mismanaged there salary cap and have loaded up with guards they can't pay.

Let them see the light.

[thebuzzardman]

sounds like it's a draft night deal if it does happen. so gotta be patient. I will say , I got my summer league tix already and if they wind up with no rookies ima be pissed.

Knicks might deal all the picks.. maybe not for Sexton but in separate deals.. so prepare your anus

Here is where I make my occasional Goatse joke

[thebuzzardman]

The only team that can absorb Love is, ready, the New York Knicks (thank you Steve Mills).

and if we take Love, you better believe we're getting some swap of picks back. That's ALOT of money Love is getting for what he currently provides.

We can absorb the money, play Love behind Randle and Mitch and buy him out next summer.

I'm generally not in favor of acquiring Love, but if taking him on saves us an asset (or gives us an extra one, e.g. a pick swap), we could also use a lesser asset to unload him next summer when he'll have fewer years left on his contract. It depends on whether we'd rather spend that money this summer instead.

Perfect.

We can use Love as a backup 5 and 4, send them Obi and the 21st and swap considerations.

What people here are seriously over-looking is that the Cavs have to do something with Allen as well. They have mismanaged there salary cap and have loaded up with guards they can't pay.

Let them see the light.

I had the Knicks getting Love and using him as you say.

The problem is, the current team plus Sexton & Love (SexLove) and a couple of vets is what they are for 2 years, and then after that they are probably still capped out via RJ/Randle/Sexton etc, for another few years.

[Zenzibar]

Bingo. The reported offer is the current high bid.

As Begley said, a lot can change.

It may not seem as much of an offer, but who else has the cap to trade for then sign Colin to $20m per?

It's not necessarily just the cap. Who has the ability to make the deal, pay the new contract, and still have flexibility to build a core that isn't overly reliant on Collin Sexton?

Correct.
Noone just us. We're not giving them 19 AND 21, plus Obi and Knox.
We're not even giving them 19 as we may need that to move up in this years stacked draft.

[FreeSpiritNY]

sounds like it's a draft night deal if it does happen. so gotta be patient. I will say , I got my summer league tix already and if they wind up with no rookies ima be pissed.

Knicks might deal all the picks.. maybe not for Sexton but in separate deals.. so prepare your anus

I believe Luca will be playing in summer league he’s a rookie

[jvsimonetti0514]

Wish they made the deal official already

Meanwhile, in Cleveland media today...

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/07/collin-sexton-trade-a-possibility-for-the-cleveland-cavaliers-its-complicated.html

The Cavs still like Sexton and believe in him. Sources say they’ve put a hefty price tag on him, which could make a deal challenging, and The Athletic identified the New York Knicks as the “most aggressive” trade suitor on Tuesday. The New York Post confirmed Sexton as a player on the Knicks’ radar, even saying he would’ve been their draft pick three years ago had Cleveland not nabbed him one slot earlier.

Cleveland and New York have discussed possibilities, sources say, and it’s an obvious potential trade destination. The Knicks are one of many teams monitoring the situation.

A surprising playoff party crasher this past season, the Knicks ranked 22nd in offensive efficiency during the regular season -- and those struggles became their undoing in the postseason, ranking second-last among 16 qualifiers. Sexton would give them a needed shot-creator, someone to take pressure off Most Improved Player Julius Randle, especially with guards Elfrid Payton, Derrick Rose, Frank Ntilikina and Alec Burks headed for free agency.

Sexton is a client of CAA, the agency that Knicks president Leon Rose ran until last season, and is also well-known by former Cavaliers executive Brock Aller, who was in Cleveland when decision-makers fell in love with Sexton following an eye-popping pre-draft workout.

But what kind of package could New York assemble?

The Cavs were smitten with RJ Barrett ahead of the 2019 draft. They even tried trading up a few spots, sources say. Barrett is reportedly not viewed as untouchable, considered a potential trade centerpiece if the Knicks go star hunting. Coming off a strong sophomore season in which the 21-year-old averaged 17.6 points, 5.8 rebounds, and 3.8 assists while hitting 40.1% from 3-point range and started all 72 games, it’s hard to see the Knicks parting with him for Sexton -- and then agreeing to give Sexton a massive contract.

Power forward Obi Toppin, a player Cleveland considered at No. 5 before choosing Isaac Okoro in the draft last November, doesn’t make much sense for a team that already has more than $40 million invested in Larry Nance Jr. and Kevin Love and could be adding Evan Mobley with the third pick in a few weeks. The Knicks do have a pair of 2021 first-rounders (Nos. 19 and 21), but those are sweeteners as opposed to headliners of a deal. So, who else? Reclamation project Knox? Even packaging all three together would give the Cavs essentially a trio of backups for Sexton.

Think about it more and the Knicks don’t make for the ideal trade partner. Unless Barrett is involved, sending Sexton to New York would be Cleveland making a lateral move -- or perhaps taking a step backward.

I'm pretty sure both Love and Nance were with the cavs last year and they were still considering to draft Obi. Let's be real neither of them are long term solutions to what they need at the 4. Don't get me wrong, I bet they're looking for a wing but Obi could be the long term answer for them at the 4. I don't think he's a bust like other members of this board do cuz of the flashes he showed the last two months of the year. Also Mobley isn't a 4 either. Maybe 10 years ago you could get away with an Allen and Mobley front court but I highly doubt it work today. This all reeks of leaks from the Cavs trying to get a bigger offer.

[FreeSpiritNY]

Hey if we could get sexton and love and give them a second round pick give them obi and Knox I take that deal all day. We are taking a bad contract. Which thibs will make him look good we trade him the following year and gain more picks. Ohhh dreams come true

[thebuzzardman]

For Melo, that "Schroeder never had a game like Sexton"

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[3toheadmelo]

For Melo, that "Schroeder never had a game like Sexton"

Watch on YouTube

Come on, having a great game against Utah isn’t the same as destroying the Nets big 3 by himself. You know that

[Dave DaButcher]

The only team that can absorb Love is, ready, the New York Knicks (thank you Steve Mills).

and if we take Love, you better believe we're getting some swap of picks back. That's ALOT of money Love is getting for what he currently provides.

We can absorb the money, play Love behind Randle and Mitch and buy him out next summer.

I'm generally not in favor of acquiring Love, but if taking him on saves us an asset (or gives us an extra one, e.g. a pick swap), we could also use a lesser asset to unload him next summer when he'll have fewer years left on his contract. It depends on whether we'd rather spend that money this summer instead.

Perfect.

We can use Love as a backup 5 and 4, send them Obi and the 21st and swap considerations.

What people here are seriously over-looking is that the Cavs have to do something with Allen as well. They have mismanaged there salary cap and have loaded up with guards they can't pay.

Let them see the light.

Despite some reports that have portrayed Sexton as difficult, based on this recent quote from Love, sounds like Sexton gets along fine with his teammates.

“I feel like we have such a good rapport now,” Love said after Monday’s practice, Cleveland.com reported. “We tell each other what to look for. Sometimes it’s just to get either one of us out of our heads. I think it goes both ways, because he knows the game. I mean, Collin is always locked in.”

Love also praised Sexton’s openness to asking questions and his ability to lighten the mood in the locker room.

“I love how infectious it is to be around him because he just loves the game and chases it so much… But again, I laugh cuz nobody knows how funny he is,” Love said. “He’s really, really funny. And I appreciate being able to keep it light even when things are tough right now.”

https://nypost.com/2021/05/04/cavaliers-collin-sexton-having-issues-with-teammates/