Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!!

[vulture]

Cmon guys lol. There’s no way Kuminga or Barnes gets picked over Mobley

Nothing is ever certain about the draft so just enjoy the ride. There is no point listening to people who think there is a consensus because they are wrong every single year.

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1. Cade
2. Green
3. Kuminga/Barnes
4. Mobley
5. Suggs
6. Barnes/Kuminga

I don't see why the Cavs would pick either Barnes or Kuminga. BPA is Mobley at that point in the draft. Even with Jarrett Allen there at the 5 you still pick Mobley. Koby Altman is running the show and has for 3 years now picking Sexton, Garland and Okoro. Sexton is the only pick where you can say he whiffed on is Sexton and he ended up being a decent scoring guard. I don't see Altman reaching for a player when the best one is sitting in his lap.

Valid but I just dont seethem taking Mobley with Allen there. If there weren't good enough wings, I'd lean mobley. I just have a funny feeling they take Kuminga or Barnes here. If this was OKC, it would be a lock to take Mobley but its the Cavs who traditional fk up every draft.

If you think Mobley as good as you think, why would the cavs pass on him because they have Allen?

[WuTang_CMB]

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Interesting. Mobley back at 2. To be honest, I could see it happening. They played Wood with Olynyk last season. Wood and Mobley could work.

This is just their opinion not from the Ringer's mock.

[WuTang_CMB]

I don't see why the Cavs would pick either Barnes or Kuminga. BPA is Mobley at that point in the draft. Even with Jarrett Allen there at the 5 you still pick Mobley. Koby Altman is running the show and has for 3 years now picking Sexton, Garland and Okoro. Sexton is the only pick where you can say he whiffed on is Sexton and he ended up being a decent scoring guard. I don't see Altman reaching for a player when the best one is sitting in his lap.

Valid but I just dont seethem taking Mobley with Allen there. If there weren't good enough wings, I'd lean mobley. I just have a funny feeling they take Kuminga or Barnes here. If this was OKC, it would be a lock to take Mobley but its the Cavs who traditional fk up every draft.

If you think Mobley as good as you think, why would the cavs pass on him because they have Allen?

Reasons I've stated over and over for the last 300 pages and again just now. Mobley is a 5. Allen is a 5. Teams more often than not will draft on need in the top 5.

[bon]

I don't see why the Cavs would pick either Barnes or Kuminga. BPA is Mobley at that point in the draft. Even with Jarrett Allen there at the 5 you still pick Mobley. Koby Altman is running the show and has for 3 years now picking Sexton, Garland and Okoro. Sexton is the only pick where you can say he whiffed on is Sexton and he ended up being a decent scoring guard. I don't see Altman reaching for a player when the best one is sitting in his lap.

Valid but I just dont seethem taking Mobley with Allen there. If there weren't good enough wings, I'd lean mobley. I just have a funny feeling they take Kuminga or Barnes here. If this was OKC, it would be a lock to take Mobley but its the Cavs who traditional fk up every draft.

If you think Mobley as good as you think, why would the cavs pass on him because they have Allen?

Cavs have passed on players for fit in the past

[vulture]

Valid but I just dont seethem taking Mobley with Allen there. If there weren't good enough wings, I'd lean mobley. I just have a funny feeling they take Kuminga or Barnes here. If this was OKC, it would be a lock to take Mobley but its the Cavs who traditional fk up every draft.

If you think Mobley as good as you think, why would the cavs pass on him because they have Allen?

Reasons I've stated over and over for the last 300 pages and again just now. Mobley is a 5. Allen is a 5. Teams more often than not will draft on need in the top 5.

I know Cavs haven't drafted well, but if they believe Mobley is the best prospect on the board they will take him and sign/trade Allen.

[SunBoy]

I know this is a simplistic way of looking at overall impact but I really do think if we look at successful playoff teams in the modern era of ball, guard play is the x-factor that raises the ceiling of contenders. Giannis being the exception if he wills the bucks to a chip' here but there haven't been #1 c's as the key driver in a championship finals since Dirk in 2011 and we can all agree he's a bit of a unicorn. Even with the dominance of guys like AD, Embiid and Jokic - none of them have been able to reach the finals as the primary piece vs elite guard play.

I love the clutch, leadership factor Suggs brings to the table and I just think at the end of the day it raises our ceiling as a squad. SO, happy for both, but give me Suggs in a vacuum.

[RapsFanInOhio]

I know this is a simplistic way of looking at overall impact but I really do think if we look at successful playoff teams in the modern era of ball, guard play is the x-factor that raises the ceiling of contenders. Giannis being the exception if he wills the bucks to a chip' here but there haven't been #1 c's as the key driver in a championship finals since Dirk in 2011 and we can all agree he's a bit of a unicorn. Even with the dominance of guys like AD, Embiid and Jokic - none of them have been able to reach the finals as the primary piece vs elite guard play.

I love the clutch, leadership factor Suggs brings to the table and I just think at the end of the day it raises our ceiling as a squad. SO, happy for both, but give me Suggs in a vacuum.

I want Green for this reason, but I agree about Suggs. I think he can play the 2 spot though. I feel like he’s as big as Beal.

[Dalek]

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Good share on this. I know he might not be in our range of prospects, but you can't watch the Finals and notice how guys like Mikal Bridges and Khris Middleton impact the game at their size and shooting level.

Trey Murphy is an excellent shooter and a really high level athlete. Now, my question is whether he is a killer or not. Is he the guy that can bury a team with his offense and be good enough on defense? At bare bones he is going to make it as a shooter for sure (50/40/90 is an elite club at any level).

[Badonkadonk]

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Man, watching Tjarks kinda hit me a bit. He announced in April that he's fighting cancer and was in chemo at the time. It's really good to see him working, I've always enjoyed his writing.

I agree with Tjarks that Cade vs. Mobley is a legitimate discussion to be had. I don't see how Mobley drops.

I also love the breakdown of Suggs and why he's going to be an impact player. I've kind of mentally given up on Mobley being available, so I'm really hoping this is how it plays out.

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1. Cade
2. Green
3. Kuminga/Barnes
4. Mobley
5. Suggs
6. Barnes/Kuminga

I don't see why the Cavs would pick either Barnes or Kuminga. BPA is Mobley at that point in the draft. Even with Jarrett Allen there at the 5 you still pick Mobley. Koby Altman is running the show and has for 3 years now picking Sexton, Garland and Okoro. Sexton is the only pick where you can say he whiffed on is Sexton and he ended up being a decent scoring guard. I don't see Altman reaching for a player when the best one is sitting in his lap.

Valid but I just dont seethem taking Mobley with Allen there. If there weren't good enough wings, I'd lean mobley. I just have a funny feeling they take Kuminga or Barnes here. If this was OKC, it would be a lock to take Mobley but its the Cavs who traditional fk up every draft.

Wrong. They picked Garland when they had Sexton already in the same spot. They won't have any problem taking Mobley regardless of having Allen.

[WuTang_CMB]

I don't see why the Cavs would pick either Barnes or Kuminga. BPA is Mobley at that point in the draft. Even with Jarrett Allen there at the 5 you still pick Mobley. Koby Altman is running the show and has for 3 years now picking Sexton, Garland and Okoro. Sexton is the only pick where you can say he whiffed on is Sexton and he ended up being a decent scoring guard. I don't see Altman reaching for a player when the best one is sitting in his lap.

Valid but I just dont seethem taking Mobley with Allen there. If there weren't good enough wings, I'd lean mobley. I just have a funny feeling they take Kuminga or Barnes here. If this was OKC, it would be a lock to take Mobley but its the Cavs who traditional fk up every draft.

Wrong. They picked Garland when they had Sexton already in the same spot. They won't have any problem taking Mobley regardless of having Allen.

Wrong.

Garland is a SG, not a playmaker. And having 2 guards on your team makes sense compared to drafting another starting 5 when you already have Allen.

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[Bruin]

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If we don’t get Mobley I’d love Noel. Much better option than Baynes

Noel/Birch is a solid enough big man rotation

[planetmars]

Valid but I just dont seethem taking Mobley with Allen there. If there weren't good enough wings, I'd lean mobley. I just have a funny feeling they take Kuminga or Barnes here. If this was OKC, it would be a lock to take Mobley but its the Cavs who traditional fk up every draft.

Wrong. They picked Garland when they had Sexton already in the same spot. They won't have any problem taking Mobley regardless of having Allen.

Wrong.

Garland is a SG, not a playmaker. And having 2 guards on your team makes sense compared to drafting another starting 5 when you already have Allen.

How do you explain Okoro then? If he's a SF, then why go after Kuminga then?

[InfraRedshaw]

Wrong. They picked Garland when they had Sexton already in the same spot. They won't have any problem taking Mobley regardless of having Allen.

Wrong.

Garland is a SG, not a playmaker. And having 2 guards on your team makes sense compared to drafting another starting 5 when you already have Allen.

How do you explain Okoro then? If he's a SF, then why go after Kuminga then?

Kuminga slides in as a small ball 4, next to Allen!

[WuTang_CMB]

Wrong. They picked Garland when they had Sexton already in the same spot. They won't have any problem taking Mobley regardless of having Allen.

Wrong.

Garland is a SG, not a playmaker. And having 2 guards on your team makes sense compared to drafting another starting 5 when you already have Allen.

How do you explain Okoro then? If he's a SF, then why go after Kuminga then?

Because they can play Kuminga or Barnes at the 3/4. And with the rumours of moving Sexton now, it makes it easier for them to go after kuminga or barnes

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[Bruin]

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1. Cade
2. Mobley
3. Barnes
4. Sengun
5. Green
6. Suggs
7. Wagner
8. Kuminga
9. Jalen Johnson
10. Giddey


2. Evan Mobley, PF/C, USC, Freshman

Spoiler:

Even when the game is going small, Mobley has an argument to be the top pick. His basic premise is that he can do most of the things perimeter guys can, but he’s the size of a center. You can make an argument that Mobley is better at self-created shots inside the 3-point line than Cunningham is, and is also better at defending the perimeter. We call Mobley a “big” and Cunningham a “wing,” but other than Cunningham’s shooting, Mobley is better at most of the wing stuff, too.

In 2021, however, a big has to be pretty darned good to make a case for himself as being more valuable than a wing with size. Surely there are exceptions — Nikola Jokic won the MVP award, and Joel Embiid was the East’s most dominant player this season — but the bar is higher for bigs.

Mobley is fortunately the right kind of big because it is going to be very hard to play him off the court in the playoffs. His skinny frame, skill set and defensive mobility almost immediately conjure images of Chris Bosh. In particular, some of his defensive clips had me cackling, as guards embarrassed themselves trying to take him off the bounce. He’s great at keeping his feet moving and using his length to contest shots when picking up guards in switches.

That said, you wish Mobley was better at some of the things that actually involve being big. He’s not notably good at posting up, owing in part to his very slender frame. His rebound rate was unimpressive, and he gets pushed around near the basket, where his thin frame becomes a liability. Statistically, he’s a good-but-not-great shot blocker, although that partly results from how often he had to defend on the perimeter. His motor doesn’t always run super hot, either.

Offensively, Mobley hints at upside in all kinds of directions but doesn’t have one overwhelming skill at the moment. As noted above, he’s pretty good when he can attack off the bounce, even against guards. He can put the ball on the floor, score off the dribble as a driver from the free-throw area and finish near the cup. He shows rudiments of stretch ability, making 12 3-pointers on the season and shooting 69.4 percent from the line, and his form suggests he can at least become a break-even proposition as a shooter.

Mobley has All-Star upside, with shades of Bosh and Pau Gasol in his game, but he has work ahead of him to get there.

6. Jalen Suggs, PG, Gonzaga, Freshman

Spoiler:

Suggs reminds me of Jason Kidd in a lot of ways, although the passing is more solid than spectacular. He has pretty good size for a point guard and great end-to-end speed, plus he has absolutely tremendous anticipation at the defensive end. Suggs reads the game almost like a defensive back, closing on the ball with speed to intercept passes. His feet are only average on the ball, and he can get caught reaching, but overall, he projects as a tough defender.

Offensively, his pace in transition is an obvious benefit that helps grease the way to easy baskets, but his half-court game remains a work in progress. Suggs shot 33.7 percent from 3 and 75.4 percent from the line, so teams will dare him to prove he can knock down shots consistently. The good news is that Suggs has a quick release that he’s comfortable getting off the dribble, and he shows pretty good footwork getting into pull-ups in the painted area on pivots and up-and-unders. He doesn’t need to improve his percentages that much to turn the shooting from a liability to a strength.

Bigger picture, the upside as an elite offensive player is maybe a bit limited by the shooting and the lack of elite pick-and-roll craft. That’s why Suggs is a bit lower on my board than some others. After my top five prospects, however, Suggs is the obvious pick due to his long-term starter potential and fairly high floor for such a young player.