2021 Draft Thread

[lars_rosenberg]

To be clear, if Steph goes down, we arent a playoff team in any scenario. But I'd rather replace him with someone with a mirrored skillset than someone who changes how we have to operate

But this ties back into the BPA argument above - you cite a lack of options at PG as a reason to get on Mitchell, also citing lack of options in FA.. well I think the 2nd round is loaded with PG potential, and I think a shoot-first PG is fine as long as they have solid BBIQ. I wouldnt be worried at all if we drafted a SRP PG, had Poole and Nico rostered as well, and just continued to add high IQ players in the vain of JTA, who don't necessarily create but are smart enough to keep the ball hopping around. Livingston was basically that kind of player. And there are several people in this draft (Barnes, Jalen Johnson) as well as other PGs (Hyland, Mann, McBride) who seem to fit our team better and in most cases, cost less draft capital.

I definitely dont see a PG who plays defense as a critical need - we have Steph Curry - but we do need someone who can defend PGs. Wiggins did pretty well against PGs last year and probably is taking Klay's spot in that area. Moody could as well, if drafted. But the value of mostly defensive perimeter players was demonstrated by GP3, who was a waiver wire afterthought most of the season. I feel similarly about create-only PGs (like Giddey) as well.. our offense needs a PG who can score, first and foremost. Our offense is a pass happy, ball sharing, perimeter based team that opens up the inside for our defense-first bigs who are limited offensively. System has worked, why change it?

Where are the Warriors getting a 2nd round pick? I'd like them to buy one but I don't know any are for sale.

As of now, OKC has #34, #36, and #55, in addition to their 3 first-round picks. They’re obviously going to make some deals with those, but one or more of their picks may end up being for sale, depending on what they’re able to swing (or not swing).

The Pels also have 4 picks in the second round: #35, #40, #43 and #53.
I guess they have no use for so many picks, If they can't move up they'll probably be sellers.

[wco81]

Kevin O'Connor says Trey Murphy is moving up, as is Isaiah Todd.

Both are dichotomies, Murphy likely ready to contribute during his rookie deal while Todd has the ceiling.

KOC compares Murphy favorably to Saddiq Bey.

[ChuckDurn]

Kevin O'Connor says Trey Murphy is moving up, as is Isaiah Todd.

Both are dichotomies, Murphy likely ready to contribute during his rookie deal while Todd has the ceiling.

KOC compares Murphy favorably to Saddiq Bey.

Apparently Todd has been canceling visits with teams that have picks late in the 1st round, and is focusing only on lottery teams, which scares me a bit as a Warriors' fan...... since I know he's coming to participate in a workout within the next couple of days. He would be a terrible reach at #14, in my opinion.

[ChuckDurn]

Where are the Warriors getting a 2nd round pick? I'd like them to buy one but I don't know any are for sale.

As of now, OKC has #34, #36, and #55, in addition to their 3 first-round picks. They’re obviously going to make some deals with those, but one or more of their picks may end up being for sale, depending on what they’re able to swing (or not swing).

The Pels also have 4 picks in the second round: #35, #40, #43 and #53.
I guess they have no use for so many picks, If they can't move up they'll probably be sellers.

Good point. I hadn't noticed that the Pelicans have so many 2nd rounders.....

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Davion and the Klutch crew

[Onus]

Offensively maybe you don’t think the shot translates. It very well may not. But he’s taking a bunch of self created offense. His offense seems mostly self generated and was the bailout option for his team.

FWIW Vecenie mentioned that Mitchell was 90 percentile in off the bounce shots on Synergy, but a lot of those shots came off one dribble relocations or ball screens. Not sure where to actually get those numbers, but worth a look.

Found the podcast it's the warriors plus minus with Anthony Slater. Sam is definitely high on Davion. I'm sure the Synergy numbers look great, he damn near shot 51/45, and he was constantly taking bail out shots, attacking mismatches. He got his feet set and was given time to actually setup a step back his shot looks smooth. That's why I'm a big believer. He's another player that teams will have to switch on him because you don't want your bigs in isolation against, he's just too fast, but if his shot is for real you're most likely going to have to concede jumpers to him, and if he's able to do that, it's going to be really hard to stop him. I will say he's prone to a lot of turnovers on double teams, so I'm sure he'll probably get blitzed a lot, but that's something he'll be able to figure out and that's still gives his team an advantage.

I will also add that Sam added Davion is one the hardest workers, everyone that he's talked to players, coaches, trainers they all say he works hard.

[FNQ]

The fact that we're even working out Kai Jones is concerning. Like we need another perimeter shooting big with questionable rebounding and a very long path to being useful

Davion's % path reminds me of a certain PG who was supposed to be better than Curry.. but really he just had a fortunate (outlier) shooting season and then flamed out of the league

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2 guys I'd be very interested in, and 2 land mines. I hate pairing Davion with Kai because Davion would be a bad selection IMO, whereas Kai would be a nuclear option and be as frustrating as possible

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doesn't seem quick enough for the NBA

[shazam_guy]

I think somebody's going to get a surprisingly good player in Joe Wieskamp.

[The-Power]

The fact that we're even working out Kai Jones is concerning. Like we need another perimeter shooting big with questionable rebounding and a very long path to being useful

I think you're being too harsh on Kai Jones here. I agree that he should not be a priority but I'll say a couple things. First, he's a bit mischaracterized as a ‘perimeter shooting big’ when 60% of his shots are around the rim where he converts 75% of them. Second, he has not rebounded well but considering that he can play PF, it's a bit less concerning. I also think that he can be a useful player in a limited role more quickly than you seem to believe. He has all the tools to be a rim runner who can hit some open 3s on offense and provide energy, versatility, length and athleticism on defense. That's a useful big off the bench for many teams if he's up for the challenge.

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Pretty lame. Only for the diehards.

How do you all feel about Jalen Johnson? I didn’t catch the whole Klutch thing and wondered how he did shooting the ball. All I see in the highlights is his size and athleticism which we know is amazing. I’m not high on him but haven’t written him off either. I think the info teams get on him will be evident with where he gets drafted.

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2 guys I'd be very interested in, and 2 land mines. I hate pairing Davion with Kai because Davion would be a bad selection IMO, whereas Kai would be a nuclear option and be as frustrating as possible

Yeah, it’s an interesting set of 4 guys…… I wonder how they’re going to work them out, because the skill sets are weird. If they have them scrimmage or go against each other, I’d think that might help Johnson and Mitchell the most, since they’re the ones who handle the ball more. Moody trying to handle against Mitchell probably wouldn’t go well for Moody, but that’s not really a role he would have……

[The-Power]

I wonder how they’re going to work them out, because the skill sets are weird.

Just fyi, Moody and Jones have already worked out as a tandem for the Pacers and appear to really like each other (e.g. Moody's interview after that workout). I suppose it's Klutch generally scheduling workouts for some of their clients together.

[FNQ]

The fact that we're even working out Kai Jones is concerning. Like we need another perimeter shooting big with questionable rebounding and a very long path to being useful

I think you're being too harsh on Kai Jones here. I agree that he should not be a priority but I'll say a couple things. First, he's a bit mischaracterized as a ‘perimeter shooting big’ when 60% of his shots are around the rim where he converts 75% of them. Second, he has not rebounded well but considering that he can play PF, it's a bit less concerning. I also think that he can be a useful player in a limited role more quickly than you seem to believe. He has all the tools to be a rim runner who can hit some open 3s on offense and provide energy, versatility, length and athleticism on defense. That's a useful big off the bench for many teams if he's up for the challenge.

Definitely more optimistic than I am.. mainly because I dont think hes a smart basketball player. I'd much rather have his teammate, Sims (if his eye is ok) as a backup C. And while you can coax some effectiveness out of low IQ players, I get the feeling that he's more close to a more skilled Jordan Bell and I'm never big on believing those types of players. At least not in the lottery, I'd be ok with the upside selection in the 20s and beyond. But I expect more of a floor in the lottery, and certainly for a team that's more win-now than most lotto teams

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2 guys I'd be very interested in, and 2 land mines. I hate pairing Davion with Kai because Davion would be a bad selection IMO, whereas Kai would be a nuclear option and be as frustrating as possible

Yeah, it’s an interesting set of 4 guys…… I wonder how they’re going to work them out, because the skill sets are weird. If they have them scrimmage or go against each other, I’d think that might help Johnson and Mitchell the most, since they’re the ones who handle the ball more. Moody trying to handle against Mitchell probably wouldn’t go well for Moody, but that’s not really a role he would have……

Every time Moody has an individual tryout, I figure his stock goes down.. if he's there at 14 it'll be amazing

The less he dribbles, the better he is. And players who can do that and be valuable are rare, IMO

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doesn't seem quick enough for the NBA

Might not, but he's super long.. I'm really not worried at all about his ability to create in the NBA. I'm worried that he cant score or defend well enough. And frankly, Rubio is elite at creating and borderline elite defensively and he's always been a fringe NBA starter. You absolutely have to be able to shoot in today's NBA. How many legit starters at the 1,2,3 are poor shooters? Painfully few

Giddey without a shot is a fringe FRP for me. Giddey with an average shot is a mid 1st. Giddey with an above average shot is a top 10 pick

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doesn't seem quick enough for the NBA

Might not, but he's super long.. I'm really not worried at all about his ability to create in the NBA. I'm worried that he cant score or defend well enough. And frankly, Rubio is elite at creating and borderline elite defensively and he's always been a fringe NBA starter. You absolutely have to be able to shoot in today's NBA. How many legit starters at the 1,2,3 are poor shooters? Painfully few

Giddey without a shot is a fringe FRP for me. Giddey with an average shot is a mid 1st. Giddey with an above average shot is a top 10 pick

can't remember which podcast it was but I heard that he started his rookie NBL season 2-20 from three and then shot much higher the rest of the season to end up at 29%. He is not an elite athlete by any stretch but I think for an 18yo playing against grown men he looks fine. He will only get quicker and stronger when he starts working with an NBA team and fills out.

[FloydWarrior]

Draft mode fever season: for me it's already got to the point I'm doing simulations on modded NBA 2k14, real draft order on both rounds and all the bells & whistles beforehand (shootouts, 5 on 5, 2 on 2)...I think I need help



Outside of a miracle that 1 of the top 4 drops down to 7, I'm staring to round up my preferences in either Şengün / Moody or Jalen Johnson (if he passes the sniff tests).

Don't think either of them would last until the last lottery pick, so i would be looking at the Knicks/Rockets with their 2 picks if they want to trade up and maybe get an asset for it while choosing a useful player with one of their late 1st...depending on who we choose with 7th pick, I like Neemias Queta as a sleeper pick. Still need to check a few others

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Damn, Davion or Kai I hope it's just for show/smokescreen...don't want anything to do with them.
Get a seasoned ballhandler on free agency instead pleeease.