What exactly is the plan?

[Am2626]

I just have to note that the vast majority of the paint on this floor was put down by GarPax. From 2012 to 2019, they used the following first-round picks:
#29 Teague
#20 Snell
#16 + #19 for McDermott
#22 Portis
#14 Valentine
#7 Markkanen
#7 Carter
#22 Hutch
#7 White

10 first round picks, no competent players. The best player on the list was traded for a guy who can't stay healthy.

I don't agree with the above. McDermott looks okay with the Pacers as a good shooting bench guy. Portis seems nice with the Bucks as a high energy, good rebounding and shooting big. Markkannen has had some nice games; and Carter has looked okay with his new team. He will provide decent defense, rebounding and shot blocking. and for some reason, Snell has stayed in the league.
Many of our picks could have been retained or bundled together in trades. Some of those players are serviceable as 2nd or 3rd string guys, or emergency starters.

It's quite the joke to say "no competent players". Hell, it's beyond a joke, if another team's fan made the same statement here, it would be considered trolling.

Snell - Most #20 picks don't play 8 NBA seasons, let alone play 21+ minutes for a conference finalist while starting 1/3 of the team's games.

McDermott - How many #11 picks are Top-25 ALL-TIME in 3pt%?

Portis - How many #22 picks wind up averaging 11/7 as the 7th man on an NBA Finals team?

The issue here isn’t necessarily signing McDermott at 11. It’s that the Bulls traded up giving up 2 picks that were used to draft 2 guys that are better than McDermott. To make matters worse, they drafted McDermott instead of LaVine who is a significantly better player. That was a terrible trade and draft selection for the Bulls.

[CobyWhite0]

I don't agree with the above. McDermott looks okay with the Pacers as a good shooting bench guy. Portis seems nice with the Bucks as a high energy, good rebounding and shooting big. Markkannen has had some nice games; and Carter has looked okay with his new team. He will provide decent defense, rebounding and shot blocking. and for some reason, Snell has stayed in the league.
Many of our picks could have been retained or bundled together in trades. Some of those players are serviceable as 2nd or 3rd string guys, or emergency starters.

It's quite the joke to say "no competent players". Hell, it's beyond a joke, if another team's fan made the same statement here, it would be considered trolling.

Snell - Most #20 picks don't play 8 NBA seasons, let alone play 21+ minutes for a conference finalist while starting 1/3 of the team's games.

McDermott - How many #11 picks are Top-25 ALL-TIME in 3pt%?

Portis - How many #22 picks wind up averaging 11/7 as the 7th man on an NBA Finals team?

The issue here isn’t necessarily signing McDermott at 11. It’s that the Bulls traded up giving up 2 picks that were used to draft 2 guys that are better than McDermott. To make matters worse, they drafted McDermott instead of LaVine who is a significantly better player. That was a terrible trade and draft selection for the Bulls.

I agree with everything you wrote - but it has absolutely nothing to do with my post (and the post I replied to).

"No competent players" is just grossly and completely inaccurate. For example:

In the last 20 NBA drafts:

McDermott ranks 8th in Win Shares, 10th in WinShares/48 among #11 picks. Pretty much the definition of an average pick for his draft slot. Most definitely a competent player for his draft slot.

Snell is 5th in WS, 11th in WS/48 among #20 picks. Again, average. Not great, not horrible. Another competent pick.

Portis is 7th in WS, 6th in WS/48 among #22 picks. Definitely above average.

For #7 picks over the last 20 years, WCJ is 5th in WS/48, Lauri is 11th.

I could go on, but it's just blatantly undeniable that the Bulls have drafted several competent players over the last 10 years. It is a complete joke to suggest otherwise.

[BigJimFinn]

What are your thoughts on trading for Joe Ingles? Adding a versatile wing that can play PG and make 3s at a high clip. Complements the games of the ball dominant guards and could be a good PnR initiator with Vuc and Theis. Plays with a very high IQ that will be useful to stabilize games. He won't be asked to do a lot like with Utah since Chicago has many healthy bodies and he can just come in and do what is asked of him

Aminu + Brown Jr. for Ingles works financially

Ingles is basically a slightly bigger Satoransky, and also more confident and effective as playmaker and shooter.
If Utah wants to keep Conley and reduce their tax load a bit, they might do that trade straight up to cut 4 Mill, even though it's a slight downgrade for them. Both guys have 1 year remaining. Jingles would bring some welcome winning attitude and playoff experience to the Bulls, if the goal is to make the first round at any cost. Not a long-term move by any means.
I don't think the Jazz has much use for Aminu + TBJ, and they would want to save some money.

[Am2626]

It's quite the joke to say "no competent players". Hell, it's beyond a joke, if another team's fan made the same statement here, it would be considered trolling.

Snell - Most #20 picks don't play 8 NBA seasons, let alone play 21+ minutes for a conference finalist while starting 1/3 of the team's games.

McDermott - How many #11 picks are Top-25 ALL-TIME in 3pt%?

Portis - How many #22 picks wind up averaging 11/7 as the 7th man on an NBA Finals team?

The issue here isn’t necessarily signing McDermott at 11. It’s that the Bulls traded up giving up 2 picks that were used to draft 2 guys that are better than McDermott. To make matters worse, they drafted McDermott instead of LaVine who is a significantly better player. That was a terrible trade and draft selection for the Bulls.

I agree with everything you wrote - but it has absolutely nothing to do with my post (and the post I replied to).

"No competent players" is just grossly and completely inaccurate. For example:

In the last 20 NBA drafts:

McDermott ranks 8th in Win Shares, 10th in WinShares/48 among #11 picks. Pretty much the definition of an average pick for his draft slot. Most definitely a competent player for his draft slot.

Snell is 5th in WS, 11th in WS/48 among #20 picks. Again, average. Not great, not horrible. Another competent pick.

Portis is 7th in WS, 6th in WS/48 among #22 picks. Definitely above average.

For #7 picks over the last 20 years, WCJ is 5th in WS/48, Lauri is 11th.

I could go on, but it's just blatantly undeniable that the Bulls have drafted several competent players over the last 10 years. It is a complete joke to suggest otherwise.

The only question I have is did any of these guys do that with the Bulls or did this all happen on other teams. I haven’t looked at their year to year statistics so I don’t know. If this happened after leaving the Bulls that’s a data point. Have the Bulls been bad at developing players, etc.

[Leslie Forman]

McDermott - How many #11 picks are Top-25 ALL-TIME in 3pt%?

That's a strange fact to hang one's hat on. The vast majority of top-25 3PT shooters were picked well below that. In fact a bunch of them weren't even drafted. In fact a bunch of them aren't actually even good NBA players.



Whatever the semantic argument is, it can't be argued that not a single genuine starting caliber player has been drafted by this franchise in a long, long time. Consistently drafting dudes who can maybe someday be an 8th man somewhere is of no consequence to a franchise with playoff aspirations.