Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[thebuzzardman]

I think we need to look into shai if the rumors are true. Okc supposedly to get rid of shai. We can do combination of Obi and quickly and two picks for him. Look to sign monk as quickly replacement. Paying undersize combo guard is scaring to me

For SGA its going to take a **** ton more than IQ Obi and 2 picks

I think the SGA thing is the following:

A dangle to move into the top 3, from 6

If/when they move him, it'll be after the draft - closer to his time being "up" in OKC, and then go for a strong deal, probably where they look to peel off a star player and can offer SGA and various picks, plus even other young players.

OKC will absolutely be making trades in this draft though. They have, I believe, 6 picks.

I broke this down somewhere else. There are 60 picks in the draft and like 8 teams are making 30 of the picks. To include our beloved Knicks, with their mediocre potpourri of draft choices

[thebuzzardman]

Ah, here's a thought:

IF OKC wants to move on, and Cleveland is said to want a big guard - not sure those big rumors are true, then they are probably picking from among Green or Suggs.

Would Cleveland take SGA, #6 and say, #16?

Suggs and Green are going to be really good. Are they going to be THAT much better than SGA, whoever is drafted at 6 and possible #16 or #18 thrown in - or even a future first rounder form 2022 or 2023?

[thebuzzardman]

Judging Sexton by his assist numbers appears awkward considering Garland was there to run point.

Yeah, to end the season Sexton did average 6 assists while Garland was out. There is for sure hope here. He is a talent.
Defensively, his motor and effort is there but height is a problem. But with Frank at the 2...

Players can accumulate assists just as they accumulate points, by dominating the ball - or having the ball a lot on a bad team, and have *some* passing ability but not being specifically good at it - or at the level you want your PG to be.

Probably better to view Sexton as more like poor mans Iverson or a variation on young Rose.

So then it matters to get the right kind of SG next to him.

I'm sure I could find some arguments where Frank was going to be the Eric Snow to some scoring PG, but I won't dig those up.

Lonzo could work.

I'm just not sure what the team ceiling of

Sexton
Lonzo
RJ
Randle
Mitch

is.

Especially considering they'd be making like 30\25\25\35\12 million per in a few years

[-YogiBiz-]

I didn't think Randle was a great defender and Thibs made him into a pretty decent one. Sexton isn't big but is quick. Put in the right spot I think he should be passable. Tough to judge any cavs on defense since they have been so bad.

He had a better Defensive Rating than Okoro.

he's not a better defender than Okoro...lets be realistic.

Oh yeah. I was definitely just trolling lol


But he tries on D. I just think he gets the short end of the stick cause Garland is just as small as Sexton and worse defender, so wasn't typically matched up with the bigger guard when he was on D?

[DaGawd]

He had a better Defensive Rating than Okoro.

he's not a better defender than Okoro...lets be realistic.

Oh yeah. I was definitely just trolling lol


But he tries on D. I just think he gets the short end of the stick cause Garland is just as small as Sexton and worse defender, so wasn't typically matched up with the bigger guard when he was on D?

Exactly. Running 2 smallish guards in the backcourt usually is a recipe for disaster on defense. It’s something like the same issue the Blazers have. We have a more conventional lineup here so Sexton wouldn’t be put in compromising positions like he was in Cleveland

[knickstape4ever]

Sexton would be a great addition at that price. I do prefer Garland tho, but I guess Cavs want to keep him

The question tho (for me at least) is: trade assets for Sexton or just sign Ball?

[-YogiBiz-]

Sexton would be a great addition at that price. I do prefer Garland tho, but I guess Cavs want to keep him

The question tho (for me at least) is: trade assets for Sexton or just sign Ball?

Honestly Both. Especially if all Sexton costs is Obi (who is intriguing, but really he's not gonna start over Randle), Knox and 19/21. We still have other assets to include in a bigger deal if we want.

The real question is do you give a few assets for Sexton or cash in on SGA?

[knickstape4ever]

Sexton would be a great addition at that price. I do prefer Garland tho, but I guess Cavs want to keep him

The question tho (for me at least) is: trade assets for Sexton or just sign Ball?

Honestly Both. Especially if all Sexton costs is Obi (who is intriguing, but really he's not gonna start over Randle), Knox and 19/21. We still have other assets to include in a bigger deal if we want.

The real question is do you give a few assets for Sexton or cash in on SGA?

true, since both can play on and off ball it could definitely work.

If Obi is the headliner, it's a no-brainer. Once Randle broke out, Obi became expendable

Is SGA even gonna be available?

[-YogiBiz-]

Sexton would be a great addition at that price. I do prefer Garland tho, but I guess Cavs want to keep him

The question tho (for me at least) is: trade assets for Sexton or just sign Ball?

Honestly Both. Especially if all Sexton costs is Obi (who is intriguing, but really he's not gonna start over Randle), Knox and 19/21. We still have other assets to include in a bigger deal if we want.

The real question is do you give a few assets for Sexton or cash in on SGA?

true, since both can play on and off ball it could definitely work.

If Obi is the headliner, it's a no-brainer. Once Randle broke out, Obi became expendable

Is SGA even gonna be available?

Rumor has it he is, but I think it was a ploy to move up to #2. If they can't get #2, they'd be stupid to move SGA.

[knickstape4ever]

Honestly Both. Especially if all Sexton costs is Obi (who is intriguing, but really he's not gonna start over Randle), Knox and 19/21. We still have other assets to include in a bigger deal if we want.

The real question is do you give a few assets for Sexton or cash in on SGA?

true, since both can play on and off ball it could definitely work.

If Obi is the headliner, it's a no-brainer. Once Randle broke out, Obi became expendable

Is SGA even gonna be available?

Rumor has it he is, but I think it was a ploy to move up to #2. If they can't get #2, they'd be stupid to move SGA.

yeah, he's still 23. they'd be crazy to move him

[TheGreenArrow]

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Someone’s taking on love!!!!!!!

And I hope to god it’s not us!!!!!!!!!!!

[GONYK]

The Knick FO draws lines in the sand and don't seem to budge much. Brock Aller knows an asset is worth it at one price, and not worth it at another.

If we get Sexton, I don't expect the price to be much different than what was reported.

Also, Miami doesn't have sh*t to trade, so I wonder what they are pursuing a deal with.

[KnixinSix]

1.Do you make this trade:

Kevin Knox, Obi Toppin, RJ Barrett, Pick #19
For
Kevin Love, Collin Sexton, Pick #3

[DowNY]

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The pre puff piece before the move goes down!!!!!

Beerman’s specialty!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Avery Johnson is literally the guy who gave IQ the D+ on CBS las year. F him.

[DowNY]

1.Do you make this trade:

Kevin Knox, Obi Toppin, RJ Barrett, Pick #19
For
Kevin Love, Collin Sexton, Pick #3

No cause we can’t get Cade or Green at 3.

[GONYK]

1.Do you make this trade:

Kevin Knox, Obi Toppin, RJ Barrett, Pick #19
For
Kevin Love, Collin Sexton, Pick #3

The whole reason the Cavs are trading Sexton is because they have #3

[KnicksGadfly]

The Knick FO draws lines in the sand and don't seem to budge much. Brock Aller knows an asset is worth it at one price, and not worth it at another.

If we get Sexton, I don't expect the price to be much different than what was reported.

Also, Miami doesn't have sh*t to trade, so I wonder what they are pursuing a deal with.

I think the Heat are willing to throw in Herro and take on Love. It’s actually a bit interesting how Herro’s value has fallen. He’s gone from untouchable in the Harden deal and future star with a nasty ass snarl to a key piece for Sexton.

Guessing there might be legitimacy to these rumors about his work ethic.

Man, draft is soon so let’s see what happens.

[3toheadmelo]

The Knick FO draws lines in the sand and don't seem to budge much. Brock Aller knows an asset is worth it at one price, and not worth it at another.

If we get Sexton, I don't expect the price to be much different than what was reported.

Also, Miami doesn't have sh*t to trade, so I wonder what they are pursuing a deal with.

Tyler Herro? But I thought they refused to give up Herro for Harden. Would be hilarious if they did it for Sexton instead

[GONYK]

The Knick FO draws lines in the sand and don't seem to budge much. Brock Aller knows an asset is worth it at one price, and not worth it at another.

If we get Sexton, I don't expect the price to be much different than what was reported.

Also, Miami doesn't have sh*t to trade, so I wonder what they are pursuing a deal with.

I think the Heat are willing to throw in Herro and take on Love. It’s actually a bit interesting how Herro’s value has fallen. He’s gone from untouchable in the Harden deal and future star with a nasty ass snarl to a key piece for Sexton.

Guessing there might be legitimacy to these rumors about his work ethic.

Man, draft is soon so let’s see what happens.

If the Heat trade Herro for Colin Sexton when they wouldn't trade him for James Harden, Pat Riley should be fired.

That's to say, I sincerely doubt they are trading Herro for Sexton.

[GONYK]

The Knick FO draws lines in the sand and don't seem to budge much. Brock Aller knows an asset is worth it at one price, and not worth it at another.

If we get Sexton, I don't expect the price to be much different than what was reported.

Also, Miami doesn't have sh*t to trade, so I wonder what they are pursuing a deal with.

Tyler Herro? But I thought they refused to give up Herro for Harden. Would be hilarious if they did it for Sexton instead

That's what I'm saying.

That would be malpractice if Herro was on the table.