Cade Cunningham

[Big J]

https://deanondraft.com/2021/06/18/is-cade-cunningham-clearly-the-best-prospect-in-2021/

This backs up a lot of what I'm seeing with Cade.

Dean is an analytics guru who questions Cade's Efficiency, Passing IQ, Shot Selection, and Motor/Effort. Just too many warts for a so called clear cut #1.

Dean Demarkis self proclaimed anaylytics guru this is hilarious. Deans background is coming from the 2+2 poker forums sports sub forum where there is a NBA thread. Harlabob used to post there many years ago. I've seen alot of Deans posts over the years way before he started a sports blog. He was a pro poker player who moved into sportsbetting.

Deans whole thing on his blog and twitter is to make against the grain takes to get views. For example last season 1. Onyeka Okongwu. I'd be careful with using him as your guy he doesnt watch prospects in person or travel to see them. Hes entertaining but much better draft sources with NBA connections to follow for draft stuff like Givony and Hollinger. Dean has some good takes and bad takes I read his work but I wouldnt go quote it as gospel to back up my points.

He was slowing down on his draft work. He was on talking about going into the "pick up women" sector not that long ago for his side projects. Recently hes been picking up again but hes not all that active outside of draft time.

You spent your whole post attacking Dean, but he actually makes a number of irrefutable points about Cade's warts that are backed with actual data.

[buzzkilloton]

https://deanondraft.com/2021/06/18/is-cade-cunningham-clearly-the-best-prospect-in-2021/

This backs up a lot of what I'm seeing with Cade.

Dean is an analytics guru who questions Cade's Efficiency, Passing IQ, Shot Selection, and Motor/Effort. Just too many warts for a so called clear cut #1.

Dean Demarkis self proclaimed anaylytics guru this is hilarious. Deans background is coming from the 2+2 poker forums sports sub forum where there is a NBA thread. Harlabob used to post there many years ago. I've seen alot of Deans posts over the years way before he started a sports blog. He was a pro poker player who moved into sportsbetting.

Deans whole thing on his blog and twitter is to make against the grain takes to get views. For example last season 1. Onyeka Okongwu. I'd be careful with using him as your guy he doesnt watch prospects in person or travel to see them. Hes entertaining but much better draft sources with NBA connections to follow for draft stuff like Givony and Hollinger. Dean has some good takes and bad takes I read his work but I wouldnt go quote it as gospel to back up my points.

He was slowing down on his draft work. He was on talking about going into the "pick up women" sector not that long ago for his side projects. Recently hes been picking up again but hes not all that active outside of draft time.

You spent your whole post attacking Dean, but he actually makes a number of irrefutable points about Cade's warts that are backed with actual data.

Its just a fact he likes to make hot takes for views. Spews for views. Thats always been his thing. He gets some right and some wrong. You're using the guy to back up your point proclaiming him a "guru" when it alligns with your views. When he goes against what you believe its wrong ,but when you agree hes right its worth calling "irrefutable".

Whats funny is as much as Dean hates Cade he can only find a way to put him to 4 on his board. Yet the guy you think is cant miss he can only get to 8.

8. Jalen Green 6’5″ SG, G League Ignite

The downside is that he is an undersized SG at 6’5″ or 6’6″ with a 6’8 to 6’9ish wingspan, and is somewhat one dimensional as a scorer. He has clear all-star upside in the Devin Booker or Zach LaVine mold, and largely deserves his hype.

But he may be slightly overrated with so many bigger and well rounded players slated to go above him. Everybody else ranked above him is a clearly better passer, and he is only slightly bigger than Jalen Suggs. This makes his goodness far from guaranteed and puts a healthy dent in his upside, as he is clearly the weakest link the consensus top 4 along with Cade, Mobley, and Suggs.

[Big J]

I find it funny that anyone who doesn't have Cade as the top guy is clearly just a hater doing it for the "hot take" views.

[Yallbecrazy]

https://deanondraft.com/2021/06/18/is-cade-cunningham-clearly-the-best-prospect-in-2021/

This backs up a lot of what I'm seeing with Cade.

Dean is an analytics guru who questions Cade's Efficiency, Passing IQ, Shot Selection, and Motor/Effort. Just too many warts for a so called clear cut #1.

Dean Demarkis self proclaimed anaylytics guru this is hilarious. Deans background is coming from the 2+2 poker forums sports sub forum where there is a NBA thread. Harlabob used to post there many years ago. I've seen alot of Deans posts over the years way before he started a sports blog. He was a pro poker player who moved into sportsbetting.

Deans whole thing on his blog and twitter is to make against the grain takes to get views. For example last season 1. Onyeka Okongwu. I'd be careful with using him as your guy he doesnt watch prospects in person or travel to see them. Hes entertaining but much better draft sources with NBA connections to follow for draft stuff like Givony and Hollinger. Dean has some good takes and bad takes I read his work but I wouldnt go quote it as gospel to back up my points.

He was slowing down on his draft work. He was on talking about going into the "pick up women" sector not that long ago for his side projects. Recently hes been picking up again but hes not all that active outside of draft time.

So you 2+2 as well. Bucks and Raptors hired guys from that forum too. One other team did as well I think

[buzzkilloton]

I find it funny that anyone who doesn't have Cade as the top guy is clearly just a hater doing it for the "hot take" views.

Just the Cade at 4 point isnt even why I say that. I never called him a "hater" I called him a spew for views guy. Hes always been that way. Thats his thing making wild claims on prospects that are against the grain from the mainstream. I like reading his blog for entertainment and sometimes he makes good calls but hes wrong more then most.

Thats why its hilarious you calling him a guru and using him to prove your points. I mean he even has the consensus top 3 guy you love in Green at 8 just in this draft along with Cade at 4. It doesnt take much to see his history of making hot takes.

[buzzkilloton]

https://deanondraft.com/2021/06/18/is-cade-cunningham-clearly-the-best-prospect-in-2021/

This backs up a lot of what I'm seeing with Cade.

Dean is an analytics guru who questions Cade's Efficiency, Passing IQ, Shot Selection, and Motor/Effort. Just too many warts for a so called clear cut #1.

Dean Demarkis self proclaimed anaylytics guru this is hilarious. Deans background is coming from the 2+2 poker forums sports sub forum where there is a NBA thread. Harlabob used to post there many years ago. I've seen alot of Deans posts over the years way before he started a sports blog. He was a pro poker player who moved into sportsbetting.

Deans whole thing on his blog and twitter is to make against the grain takes to get views. For example last season 1. Onyeka Okongwu. I'd be careful with using him as your guy he doesnt watch prospects in person or travel to see them. Hes entertaining but much better draft sources with NBA connections to follow for draft stuff like Givony and Hollinger. Dean has some good takes and bad takes I read his work but I wouldnt go quote it as gospel to back up my points.

He was slowing down on his draft work. He was on talking about going into the "pick up women" sector not that long ago for his side projects. Recently hes been picking up again but hes not all that active outside of draft time.

So you 2+2 as well. Bucks and Raptors hired guys from that forum too. One other team did as well I think

Guy that went by the name of SethyPoo was hired by the Bucks. He was a mod and a TZ reg(threadzilla the old nickname of the NBA thread) on two plus two.I'm not sure if he still works there havent heard about him in a long time I imagine he does. I'm not sure on the Raps guy.

Bob(haralabos) was a big poster there hes working as a advisor with Cuban and the Mavs making a ton of money. He just had a huge thread about him in general actually that Luka doesnt like him haha. Bobs more famous for sports betting then poker but he started as a poker player as well.

Alot of great posters from that thread. Not in recent years though as poker died so did NBA threadzilla.

[Charm]

All my analysis is based on James Brocato's work from shutupandjam.net back in the day. He's another Mavs guy...probably at least a little bit brighter than this Bob character I hope

[nolang1]

I think the ultimate takeaway here is that Cade has been the favorite to go #1 for so long that it makes him seem like more of a sure thing than he actually is. Like he is some sort of elite franchise changer. I have Cade as the top guy in this draft, but he is not an elite, can't miss top guy. The difference between him and guys like Green and Mobley is negligible.

The ultimate takeaway is that if you're saying that nobody in this draft is an elite franchise changer, then there have been like 2 elite franchise changers in the last 20+ drafts. It's certainly debatable whether Zion is an elite franchise changer. To me Cade is ahead of the other players in the draft to the point that I wouldn't let any positional considerations dictate the selection (e.g. taking Mobley #1 because I don't have a big), but of course there's a difference between that and whether you would take #2 and 3 additional 1sts or some other offer that's just a slam dunk on expected value to move down.

It's particularly funny to me when contrarian low takes on him tend to compare him to Khris Middleton, who by the way just scored 40 points in an NBA Finals game. I'm of the school of thought that judging a draft pick based off of whether he's better than literally every single player he's selected ahead of is a pretty silly rubric, and if the player you draft #1 ends up a legit all-star that's a pretty good outcome. To me it seems like some people overhyped him before college along the lines of "what if someone played like Luka but was a better athlete and defender?" and that's inspired more of a backlash, but you can fall substantially short of Luka and still be a deserving #1 pick.

[Hoopz Afrik]

I feel like Cade would be a better fit for Houston as presently constructed and Jalen Green would fit better in Detroit.

[Colbinii]

I feel like Cade would be a better fit for Houston as presently constructed and Jalen Green would fit better in Detroit.

Why does how two of the worst teams in the NBA roster construction matter?

It doesn't matter at all.

[Hoopz Afrik]

I feel like Cade would be a better fit for Houston as presently constructed and Jalen Green would fit better in Detroit.

Why does how two of the worst teams in the NBA roster construction matter?

It doesn't matter at all.

It might not matter to you from behind a keyboard but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter to the ones who actually have to make the decisions with job security always on the line. There's a reason why they do their due diligence on potential prospects. Also, things change in a heartbeat in the NBA.

[Colbinii]

I feel like Cade would be a better fit for Houston as presently constructed and Jalen Green would fit better in Detroit.

Why does how two of the worst teams in the NBA roster construction matter?

It doesn't matter at all.

It might not matter to you from behind a keyboard but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter to the ones who actually have to make the decisions with job security always on the line. There's a reason why they do their due diligence on potential prospects. Also, things change in a heartbeat in the NBA.

Chill out buddy.

Roster construction does not matter for terrible teams.

Could you explain why you believe Cade is a better fit in Houston and Green in Detroit?

[clyde21]

I feel like Cade would be a better fit for Houston as presently constructed and Jalen Green would fit better in Detroit.

Why does how two of the worst teams in the NBA roster construction matter?

It doesn't matter at all.

It might not matter to you from behind a keyboard but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter to the ones who actually have to make the decisions with job security always on the line. There's a reason why they do their due diligence on potential prospects. Also, things change in a heartbeat in the NBA.

Detroit takes whoever they feel is the best player period...drafting Hayes last yr shouldn't matter if u like Cade better than everyone else

[Hoopz Afrik]

Why does how two of the worst teams in the NBA roster construction matter?

It doesn't matter at all.

It might not matter to you from behind a keyboard but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter to the ones who actually have to make the decisions with job security always on the line. There's a reason why they do their due diligence on potential prospects. Also, things change in a heartbeat in the NBA.

Chill out buddy.

Roster construction does not matter for terrible teams.

Could you explain why you believe Cade is a better fit in Houston and Green in Detroit?

Agree to disagree.

I feel like one thing Detroit lacks is some dynamism and high-end athleticism on the perimeter (Jalen Green) where as Houston is lacking a tempo setter and poise especially in the half court (Cade Cunningham). To me, I don't see much of a difference between Cade and Jalen Green in terms of potential which is why I looked at fit.

Detroit will pick who they feel is best regardless and it doesn't mean Cade wouldn't fit in Detroit or Jalen Green wouldn't fit in Houston. Just my take on potential fits. Also as much as I love Cade as a prospect, I don't think he's a guarantee for #1 overall.

[Hoopz Afrik]

Why does how two of the worst teams in the NBA roster construction matter?

It doesn't matter at all.

It might not matter to you from behind a keyboard but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter to the ones who actually have to make the decisions with job security always on the line. There's a reason why they do their due diligence on potential prospects. Also, things change in a heartbeat in the NBA.

Detroit takes whoever they feel is the best player period...drafting Hayes last yr shouldn't matter if u like Cade better than everyone else

Of course they take whoever they feel is best. Also, I didn't make my original comment with Killian Hayes in mind.

[Colbinii]

It might not matter to you from behind a keyboard but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter to the ones who actually have to make the decisions with job security always on the line. There's a reason why they do their due diligence on potential prospects. Also, things change in a heartbeat in the NBA.

Chill out buddy.

Roster construction does not matter for terrible teams.

Could you explain why you believe Cade is a better fit in Houston and Green in Detroit?

Agree to disagree.

I feel like one thing Detroit lacks is some dynamism and high-end athleticism on the perimeter (Jalen Green) where as Houston is lacking a tempo setter and poise especially in the half court (Cade Cunningham). To me, I don't see much of a difference between Cade and Jalen Green in terms of potential which is why I looked at fit.

Detroit will pick who they feel is best regardless and it doesn't mean Cade wouldn't fit in Detroit or Jalen Green wouldn't fit in Houston. Just my take on potential fits. Also as much as I love Cade as a prospect, I don't think he's a guarantee for #1 overall.

Detroit is also lacking a tempo setter and poise in the half-court too.

I just don't follow the perceived logic in your post, but we can agree to disagree.

I dont think Cade is a clear #1 either but Green isn't one of the guys I have ahead of him.

[BostonCouchGM]

I feel like Cade would be a better fit for Houston as presently constructed and Jalen Green would fit better in Detroit.

DET just took Hayes to be their PG of the future #7 last draft. He can't play off ball. Cade can but that won't be playing to his strength. Taking Cade basically forces Hayes off ball which would be disastrous and prove to the world what a terrible pick he was, or force Cade off ball which will not showcase his abilities and piss him off. I think Cade should be the pick and DET forced to admit they screwed up the Hayes pick and that's likely how it'll go. But I CAN see why DET might decide to trade back and take Mobley or Green.

HOU has a very talented combo guard in KPJ who is actually very capable of playing the role they would take Cade for and also the role Green could provide. But he's a knucklehead and I don't think they can trust him which is why they are trying to trade up for Cade.

As far as roster construction, it DOES matter no matter what stage of a rebuild a team is in. You want to maximize your assets no matter what. It's why DET taking Cade #1 a year after taking Hayes art #7 is a terrible mismanagement of assets. Same goes with Sexton followed by Garland.

Luckily for DET, HOU and CLE, this draft is so good at the top that they are guaranteed to get difference makers that will make fans forget about past mistakes.

[Shock Defeat]

Cade can be a playmaking Khris Middleton which is a top 10 player

[Big J]

I feel like Cade would be a better fit for Houston as presently constructed and Jalen Green would fit better in Detroit.

DET just took Hayes to be their PG of the future #7 last draft. He can't play off ball. Cade can but that won't be playing to his strength. Taking Cade basically forces Hayes off ball which would be disastrous and prove to the world what a terrible pick he was, or force Cade off ball which will not showcase his abilities and piss him off. I think Cade should be the pick and DET forced to admit they screwed up the Hayes pick and that's likely how it'll go. But I CAN see why DET might decide to trade back and take Mobley or Green.

HOU has a very talented combo guard in KPJ who is actually very capable of playing the role they would take Cade for and also the role Green could provide. But he's a knucklehead and I don't think they can trust him which is why they are trying to trade up for Cade.

As far as roster construction, it DOES matter no matter what stage of a rebuild a team is in. You want to maximize your assets no matter what. It's why DET taking Cade #1 a year after taking Hayes art #7 is a terrible mismanagement of assets. Same goes with Sexton followed by Garland.

Luckily for DET, HOU and CLE, this draft is so good at the top that they are guaranteed to get difference makers that will make fans forget about past mistakes.

If Hou made Harden & CP3/Westbrick work then Detroit shouldn't worry about having 2 ball dominant cornerstones. The worry more is that neither Cade no Killian have high end potential.

[Yuri Vaultin]

Every team drafting in the top 6 should draft bpa because they suck. Drafting for need at the first pick is just plain stupid.