Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[KnicksGadfly]

The Knick FO draws lines in the sand and don't seem to budge much. Brock Aller knows an asset is worth it at one price, and not worth it at another.

If we get Sexton, I don't expect the price to be much different than what was reported.

Also, Miami doesn't have sh*t to trade, so I wonder what they are pursuing a deal with.

I think the Heat are willing to throw in Herro and take on Love. It’s actually a bit interesting how Herro’s value has fallen. He’s gone from untouchable in the Harden deal and future star with a nasty ass snarl to a key piece for Sexton.

Guessing there might be legitimacy to these rumors about his work ethic.

Man, draft is soon so let’s see what happens.

If the Heat trade Herro for Colin Sexton when they wouldn't trade him for James Harden, Pat Riley should be fired.

That's to say, I sincerely doubt they are trading Herro for Sexton.

Well, to be fair, and it gives me great joy to say this, the Heat got exposed this season. And if Herro really is partying and letting the fame get in his head…who knows, maybe Riley is trying to pull an Ainge.

[GONYK]

I think the Heat are willing to throw in Herro and take on Love. It’s actually a bit interesting how Herro’s value has fallen. He’s gone from untouchable in the Harden deal and future star with a nasty ass snarl to a key piece for Sexton.

Guessing there might be legitimacy to these rumors about his work ethic.

Man, draft is soon so let’s see what happens.

If the Heat trade Herro for Colin Sexton when they wouldn't trade him for James Harden, Pat Riley should be fired.

That's to say, I sincerely doubt they are trading Herro for Sexton.

Well, to be fair, and it gives me great joy to say this, the Heat got exposed this season. And if Herro really is partying and letting the fame get in his head…who knows, maybe Riley is trying to pull an Ainge.

True, but it would be cashing in the asset at low value when they don't have to pay him that much.

I think it would make more sense to see if he can regain his value before punching his ticket for Sexton, who comes with his own flaws and doesn't seem to have a robust market, and will need to be paid.

[3toheadmelo]

Begley saying the Cavs would want a vet to win now in return for Sexton. Good thing we have Obi to offer

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[robillionaire]

Begley saying the Cavs would want a vet to win now in return for Sexton. Good thing we have Obi to offer

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So we aren't getting him. Awesome. Lock it up

[DaGawd]

Begley saying the Cavs would want a vet to win now in return for Sexton. Good thing we have Obi to offer

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Lol .. sign and trade em Bullock or something then.. that franchise is lost.. what do they need a win now vet for?

[GONYK]

Cavs are still begging people for more offers.

Yesterday, they wanted an all-star in return.

Today they just want a vet.

Interesting.

[TheGreenArrow]

The Knick FO draws lines in the sand and don't seem to budge much. Brock Aller knows an asset is worth it at one price, and not worth it at another.

If we get Sexton, I don't expect the price to be much different than what was reported.

Also, Miami doesn't have sh*t to trade, so I wonder what they are pursuing a deal with.

Yeah shwin pretty much nails it here…..

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We shall see!!!!!!!!!

[F N 11]

Oh, its "Fluid" season isnt it?

[spree2kawhi]

Judging Sexton by his assist numbers appears awkward considering Garland was there to run point.

Yeah, to end the season Sexton did average 6 assists while Garland was out. There is for sure hope here. He is a talent.
Defensively, his motor and effort is there but height is a problem. But with Frank at the 2...

Players can accumulate assists just as they accumulate points, by dominating the ball - or having the ball a lot on a bad team, and have *some* passing ability but not being specifically good at it - or at the level you want your PG to be.

Probably better to view Sexton as more like poor mans Iverson or a variation on young Rose.

So then it matters to get the right kind of SG next to him.

I'm sure I could find some arguments where Frank was going to be the Eric Snow to some scoring PG, but I won't dig those up.

Lonzo could work.

I'm just not sure what the team ceiling of

Sexton
Lonzo
RJ
Randle
Mitch

is.

Especially considering they'd be making like 30\25\25\35\12 million per in a few years

You're right, but there have to be some 20 players who fit better next to Sexton than Lonzo. Maybe we can find guys with legendary sophomore seasons just to be sure. Frank does what Lonzo does and I'd assume he can do so equally good. You could also try and find SFs and start RJ at SG. What do you think?

[Meat]

1.Do you make this trade:

Kevin Knox, Obi Toppin, RJ Barrett, Pick #19
For
Kevin Love, Collin Sexton, Pick #3

nah, not giving up rj for that. i'm not a randle believer, so for me it's about pairing folks that match rj's timeline.

I'd be cool keeping rj and taking a future unprotected 1st tho, 2023 or 2024

[Meat]

Yeah, to end the season Sexton did average 6 assists while Garland was out. There is for sure hope here. He is a talent.
Defensively, his motor and effort is there but height is a problem. But with Frank at the 2...

Players can accumulate assists just as they accumulate points, by dominating the ball - or having the ball a lot on a bad team, and have *some* passing ability but not being specifically good at it - or at the level you want your PG to be.

Probably better to view Sexton as more like poor mans Iverson or a variation on young Rose.

So then it matters to get the right kind of SG next to him.

I'm sure I could find some arguments where Frank was going to be the Eric Snow to some scoring PG, but I won't dig those up.

Lonzo could work.

I'm just not sure what the team ceiling of

Sexton
Lonzo
RJ
Randle
Mitch

is.

Especially considering they'd be making like 30\25\25\35\12 million per in a few years

You're right, but there have to be some 20 players who fit better next to Sexton than Lonzo. Maybe we can find guys with legendary sophomore seasons just to be sure. Frank does what Lonzo does and I'd assume he can do so equally good. You could also try and find SFs and start RJ at SG. What do you think?

enough with the frank ****, he's had chances to show what he can do. he aint got it

[spree2kawhi]

Players can accumulate assists just as they accumulate points, by dominating the ball - or having the ball a lot on a bad team, and have *some* passing ability but not being specifically good at it - or at the level you want your PG to be.

Probably better to view Sexton as more like poor mans Iverson or a variation on young Rose.

So then it matters to get the right kind of SG next to him.

I'm sure I could find some arguments where Frank was going to be the Eric Snow to some scoring PG, but I won't dig those up.

Lonzo could work.

I'm just not sure what the team ceiling of

Sexton
Lonzo
RJ
Randle
Mitch

is.

Especially considering they'd be making like 30\25\25\35\12 million per in a few years

You're right, but there have to be some 20 players who fit better next to Sexton than Lonzo. Maybe we can find guys with legendary sophomore seasons just to be sure. Frank does what Lonzo does and I'd assume he can do so equally good. You could also try and find SFs and start RJ at SG. What do you think?

enough with the frank ****, he's had chances to show what he can do. he aint got it

You can go with Lonzo. I'll prepare the crow.

[Meat]

You're right, but there have to be some 20 players who fit better next to Sexton than Lonzo. Maybe we can find guys with legendary sophomore seasons just to be sure. Frank does what Lonzo does and I'd assume he can do so equally good. You could also try and find SFs and start RJ at SG. What do you think?

enough with the frank ****, he's had chances to show what he can do. he aint got it

You can go with Lonzo. I'll prepare the crow.

i don't think lonzo is the 2nd coming of magic but let's not act like frank's out here producing. he couldn't beat peyton out for the starting job

[KnixinSix]

1.Do you make this trade:

Kevin Knox, Obi Toppin, RJ Barrett, Pick #19
For
Kevin Love, Collin Sexton, Pick #3

The whole reason the Cavs are trading Sexton is because they have #3

Barrett gives them potentially a similar player in quality they'd get at 3 who is still cost controlled and more developed.

[spree2kawhi]

enough with the frank ****, he's had chances to show what he can do. he aint got it

You can go with Lonzo. I'll prepare the crow.

i don't think lonzo is the 2nd coming of magic but let's not act like frank's out here producing. he couldn't beat peyton out for the starting job

It's true, Frank and Lonzo provide the same skillset though and I wouldn't pay half of what the latter will likely command.

[KnixinSix]

1.Do you make this trade:

Kevin Knox, Obi Toppin, RJ Barrett, Pick #19
For
Kevin Love, Collin Sexton, Pick #3

nah, not giving up rj for that. i'm not a randle believer, so for me it's about pairing folks that match rj's timeline.

I'd be cool keeping rj and taking a future unprotected 1st tho, 2023 or 2024

The expanded version:

1.Kevin Knox, Obi Toppin, RJ Barrett, Pick #19
For
Kevin Love, Collin Sexton, Pick #3

Cleveland gets a player perhaps in quality for what they would get at #3 in RJ (supposedly Cle likes RJ a lot).

2.Then trade Pick #3 for SGA. Or Pick 3,21 and 32 for SGA and pick #6

3. Then sign Kawhi in FA.

Line-up:

Mitch/Love/Pelle/Vet min
Randle/Love
Kawhi/Pick #6 (or #21 depending on trade with OKC)
Sexton/Kawhi/SGA
SGA/Sexton/Vildoza

[Meat]

You can go with Lonzo. I'll prepare the crow.

i don't think lonzo is the 2nd coming of magic but let's not act like frank's out here producing. he couldn't beat peyton out for the starting job

It's true, Frank and Lonzo provide the same skillset though and I wouldn't pay half of what the latter will likely command.

your maths add up since frank gives you about 1\2 the production lonzo does

[GONYK]

1.Do you make this trade:

Kevin Knox, Obi Toppin, RJ Barrett, Pick #19
For
Kevin Love, Collin Sexton, Pick #3

The whole reason the Cavs are trading Sexton is because they have #3

Barrett gives them potentially a similar player in quality they'd get at 3 who is still cost controlled and more developed.

If the quality of player is similar, why take on the responsibility of paying Barrett sooner?

Even without that consideration, I think taking on Love is a non-starter from our end.

[spree2kawhi]

i don't think lonzo is the 2nd coming of magic but let's not act like frank's out here producing. he couldn't beat peyton out for the starting job

It's true, Frank and Lonzo provide the same skillset though and I wouldn't pay half of what the latter will likely command.

your maths add up since frank gives you about 1\2 the production lonzo does

In only about 60% of the playing time. Lonzo never justified his minutes (career average 32mpg) and is now let go because he doesn't have a skill to go with his reputation.

To me it's clear what Frank would have done with four years of development at 32mpg.

[spree2kawhi]

The whole reason the Cavs are trading Sexton is because they have #3

Barrett gives them potentially a similar player in quality they'd get at 3 who is still cost controlled and more developed.

If the quality of player is similar, why take on the responsibility of paying Barrett sooner?

Even without that consideration, I think taking on Love is a non-starter from our end.

Since everybody seemingly believes we're a force in the east, taking on Love as an experienced, floor-spacing reserve would only be consequential.