Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

KnicksGadfly · Post #1261 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:25 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Begley saying the Cavs would want a vet to win now in return for Sexton. Good thing we have Obi to offer

Read on Twitter

Meh…they’re definitely leaking to try and get more offers.

Chanel Bomber · Post #1262 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:31 pm

Sexton is probably worth trading Obi for but Obi's athleticism and ability to get easy baskets at the rim is truly intriguing.

Think of how easily Giannis - not that Obi is anywhere near that level of talent or athleticism - can finish at the rim and get easy baskets for his team. It just raises his team's overall efficiency.

Randle and RJ have to labor to get their points. That's why their efficiency is below-average. And that's why I'm not sure we can keep both of them.

Obi has flashed the potential of a guy who can score efficiently at the rim. His athleticism is a breath of fresh air.

Post #1263 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:33 pm

GONYK wrote:I think taking on Love is a non-starter from our end.

It certainly should be.

Post #1264 » by **GONYK** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:33 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:Sexton is probably worth trading Obi for but Obi's athleticism and ability to get easy baskets at the rim is truly intriguing.

Think of how easily Giannis - not that Obi is anywhere near that level of talent or athleticism - can finish at the rim and get easy baskets for his team. It just raises his team's overall efficiency.

Randle and RJ have to labor to get their points. That's why their efficiency is below-average. And that's why I'm not sure we can keep both of them.

Obi has flashed the potential of a guy who can score efficiently at the rim. His athleticism is a breath of fresh air.

And he doesn't even have the strength to take full advantage of it yet

3toheadmelo · Post #1265 » by **3toheadmelo** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:35 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Begley saying the Cavs would want a vet to win now in return for Sexton. Good thing we have Obi to offer

Read on Twitter

Meh…they’re definitely leaking to try and get more offers.

Probably

Jalen Bluntson · Post #1266 » by **Jalen Bluntson** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:36 pm

As much as I want a good PG... I'm not a fan of Sexton. Ball dominant stat padder with weak defense is all I see when I watch him...but...I didn't see all that much of him outside of when we played against him. Plus...he has a very punchable face. :lol:

Post #1267 » by **GONYK** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:39 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:As much as I want a good PG... I'm not a fan of Sexton. Ball dominant stat padder with weak defense is all I see when I watch him...but...I didn't see all that much of him outside of when we played against him. Plus...he has a very punchable face.

I don't think he's a PG. I think Julius and RJ would still be more of the facilitators, even with Sexton in the lineup.

I see him as a downhill guard who can actually do what Thibs pretended Elfrid could do

thebuzzardman · Post #1268 » by **thebuzzardman** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:44 pm

I think I like Sexton, but I'm afraid he might be my rebound PG after a 2 years unsatisfying PG relationship with Elf.

KnixinSix · Post #1269 » by **KnixinSix** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:47 pm

GONYK wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
GONYK wrote:
The whole reason the Cavs are trading Sexton is because they have #3

Barrett gives them potentially a similar player in quality they'd get at 3 who is still cost controlled and more developed.

If the quality of player is similar, why take on the responsibility of paying Barrett sooner?

Even without that consideration, I think taking on Love is a non-starter from our end.

Because they are 'salary dumping' Love in the package.

Post #1270 » by **GONYK** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:48 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:I think I like Sexton, but I'm afraid he might be my rebound PG after a 2 years unsatisfying PG relationship with Elf.

So Mudiay satisfied you, eh? :eyebrows:

spree2kawhi · Post #1271 » by **spree2kawhi** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:48 pm

A player that averages his numbers at guard in the NBA has an incredible skill level. We need exactly his production at his position, he's young, athletic, not an idiot from what I know.

He's not a great defender, okay, but don't propose trading for Dame or Steph or a prime Steve Nash then.

In my opinion, most of the Sexton doubters seem to argue for the sake of saying something. Given what we've been sorely lacking, it's ridiculous.

KnixinSix · Post #1272 » by **KnixinSix** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:48 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:I think I like Sexton, but I'm afraid he might be my rebound PG after a 2 years unsatisfying PG relationship with Elf.

He could end up primarily at the 2 depending on our counter-moves.

Meat · Post #1273 » by **Meat** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:49 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
Meat wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:It's true, Frank and Lonzo provide the same skillset though and I wouldn't pay half of what the latter will likely command.

your maths add up since frank gives you about 1\2 the production lonzo does

In only about 60% of the playing time. Lonzo never justified his minutes (career average 32mpg) and is now let go because he doesn't have a skill to go with his reputation.

To me it's clear what Frank would have done with four years of development at 32mpg.

how did a rookie come out of nowhere under thibs and beat him out for minutes? how did a scrub like peyton beat him out for minutes?

must be a conspiracy to keep frank down and the pg position weak

thebuzzardman · Post #1274 » by **thebuzzardman** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:49 pm

GONYK wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:I think I like Sexton, but I'm afraid he might be my rebound PG after a 2 years unsatisfying PG relationship with Elf.

So Mudiay satisfied you, eh?

Mudiay was a part of a series of disastrous one night PG stands

Gravy · Post #1275 » by **Gravy** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:49 pm

I see Sexton as a huge upgrade over Payton.

20+ppg instead of 10.

37% 3pt shooting instead of 28%.

thebuzzardman · Post #1276 » by **thebuzzardman** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:51 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:I think I like Sexton, but I'm afraid he might be my rebound PG after a 2 years unsatisfying PG relationship with Elf.

He could end up primarily at the 2 depending on our counter-moves.

Yeah, I'd say so.

As others pointed out, Knicks could kind of run the same offense and have Sexton be Elf that doesn't suck.
I still think it would work if Ball was the other guard/wing

TerrenceClarke · Post #1277 » by **TerrenceClarke** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:52 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:Sexton is probably worth trading Obi for but Obi's athleticism and ability to get easy baskets at the rim is truly intriguing.

Think of how easily Giannis - not that Obi is anywhere near that level of talent or athleticism - can finish at the rim and get easy baskets for his team. It just raises his team's overall efficiency.

Randle and RJ have to labor to get their points. That's why their efficiency is below-average. And that's why I'm not sure we can keep both of them.

Obi has flashed the potential of a guy who can score efficiently at the rim. His athleticism is a breath of fresh air.

If thats all you talking about he has, you can find that with Isiah Jackson who is only 19 from Kentucky, who blows him away in size and athletic ability. Replacing Obis Strengths is one of the easiest things to do.

Watch on YouTube

Shoot, You can get Richaun Holmes who is a FA this offseason, and he will provide more than what Obi does.

-YogiBiz- · Post #1278 » by **-YogiBiz-** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:55 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
Meat wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:
You can go with Lonzo. I'll prepare the crow.

i don't think lonzo is the 2nd coming of magic but let's not act like frank's out here producing. he couldn't beat peyton out for the starting job

It's true, Frank and Lonzo provide the same skillset though and I wouldn't pay half of what the latter will likely command.

Having the same skillset doesn't mean they have the same talent level.

Chanel Bomber · Post #1279 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:59 pm

TerrenceClarke wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Sexton is probably worth trading Obi for but Obi's athleticism and ability to get easy baskets at the rim is truly intriguing.

Think of how easily Giannis - not that Obi is anywhere near that level of talent or athleticism - can finish at the rim and get easy baskets for his team. It just raises his team's overall efficiency.

Randle and RJ have to labor to get their points. That's why their efficiency is below-average. And that's why I'm not sure we can keep both of them.

Obi has flashed the potential of a guy who can score efficiently at the rim. His athleticism is a breath of fresh air.

If thats all you talking about he has, you can find that with Isiah Jackson from Kentucky. Replacing Obis Strengths is one of the easiest things to do.

Shoot You can get Richaun Holmes who is a FA this offseason, and he will provide more than what Obi does.

I think Obi was being developed the right way in year 1, and found himself stuck behind Randle. There's no doubt in my mind he could've put up numbers on a team that wasn't trying to win, as other young players do. I give Thibs credit for his development.

I was very much against the pick last year but not only does Obi have great athleticism, he also has great touch around the rim. He passes the eye test as a guy who can capitalize at the rim and convert his chances. He can get easy baskets. Julius and RJ are both bad finishers around the rim. It holds our offense back in terms of efficiency.

I personally don't consider Randle untouchable for whatever it's worth. This front office probably does however.

I just think Obi's actual value exceeds his perceived value based on the upside that he flashed in limited minutes. I don't think he's another Kevin Knox or Frank Ntilikina.

Juco24 · Post #1280 » by **Juco24** » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:59 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:A player that averages his numbers at guard in the NBA has an incredible skill level. We need exactly his production at his position, he's young, athletic, not an idiot from what I know.

He's not a great defender, okay, but don't propose trading for Dame or Steph or a prime Steve Nash then.

In my opinion, most of the Sexton doubters seem to argue for the sake of saying something. Given what we've been sorely lacking, it's ridiculous.

Hey bruh, I come in peace... not going to get into a debate today because we both know where we stand. With that said... do you feel Sexton is a good ball mover? Do you think he makes others around him better? Lastly, do you think he compliments Randle?