Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[thebuzzardman]

I think Obi was being developed the right way in year 1, and found himself stuck behind Randle. There's no doubt in my mind he could've put up numbers on a team that wasn't trying to win, as other young players do. I give Thibs credit for his development.

I was very much against the pick last year but not only does Obi have great athleticism, he also has great touch around the rim. He passes the eye test as a guy who can capitalize at the rim and convert his chances. He can get easy baskets. Julius and RJ are both bad finishers around the rim. It holds our offense back in terms of efficiency.

I personally don't consider Randle untouchable for whatever it's worth. This front office probably does however.

I just think Obi's actual value exceeds his perceived value based on the upside that he flashed in limited minutes. I don't think he's another Kevin Knox or Frank Ntilikina.

Obi is going to be stuck behind Randle for a Long time, we all should know this. Its better to cash in now on him. I personally see nothing about Toppin that is not replaceable easily. Plenty of young Bigs who are athletic, and can finish but have limited offense. So in essence we are trying to hold on to bench player, for a starting player. Makes no sense.

Obi's clearly a bench player now. Who he'll be in two years is up for debate.

He'll be nearing retirement age then

[Capn'O]

Knicks should totally target Richaun Holmes in FA.

[TerrenceClarke]

Sexton is probably worth trading Obi for but Obi's athleticism and ability to get easy baskets at the rim is truly intriguing.

Think of how easily Giannis - not that Obi is anywhere near that level of talent or athleticism - can finish at the rim and get easy baskets for his team. It just raises his team's overall efficiency.

Randle and RJ have to labor to get their points. That's why their efficiency is below-average. And that's why I'm not sure we can keep both of them.

Obi has flashed the potential of a guy who can score efficiently at the rim. His athleticism is a breath of fresh air.

If thats all you talking about he has, you can find that with Isiah Jackson who is only 19 from Kentucky, who blows him away in size and athletic ability. Replacing Obis Strengths is one of the easiest things to do.

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Shoot, You can get Richaun Holmes who is a FA this offseason, and he will provide more than what Obi does.

Here's another player who could provide what Obi does:

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[TheGreenArrow]

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Clear shams info is coming from the cavs!!!!!!!

No way they’re in the driver seat!!!!!!!!!!

[TerrenceClarke]

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Clear shams info is coming from the cavs!!!!!!!

No way they’re in the driver seat!!!!!!!!!!

They are tho. There is no rush to make it happen. At worst they can wait till the trade dead line next season. If he balls out again next year, the price will go up.

[spree2kawhi]

i don't think lonzo is the 2nd coming of magic but let's not act like frank's out here producing. he couldn't beat peyton out for the starting job

It's true, Frank and Lonzo provide the same skillset though and I wouldn't pay half of what the latter will likely command.

Having the same skillset doesn't mean they have the same talent level.

But I think they do and that's not to defend Frank.

[TheGreenArrow]

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Clear shams info is coming from the cavs!!!!!!!

No way they’re in the driver seat!!!!!!!!!!

They are tho. There is no rush to make it happen. At worst they can wait till the trade dead line next season. If he balls out again next year, the price will go up.

The longer they wait the more his value drops!!!!!!!

Teams aren’t going to trade anything for him if they know they can get him in restricted free agency!!!!!!!

The cavs aren’t going to pay him regardless!!!!!!!

Day by day his value drops!!!!!!!!

[spree2kawhi]

A player that averages his numbers at guard in the NBA has an incredible skill level. We need exactly his production at his position, he's young, athletic, not an idiot from what I know.

He's not a great defender, okay, but don't propose trading for Dame or Steph or a prime Steve Nash then.

In my opinion, most of the Sexton doubters seem to argue for the sake of saying something. Given what we've been sorely lacking, it's ridiculous.

Hey bruh, I come in peace... not going to get into a debate today because we both know where we stand. With that said... do you feel Sexton is a good ball mover? Do you think he makes others around him better? Lastly, do you think he compliments Randle?

No.

I think he needs to be good in pnr and drive and kick. He can do that and he can be our go to guy. He'll unlock RJ that way and take pressure off Randle.

He'll take us to another level, while neither Lonzo nor Frank would imo.

What do you think?

[NYK-Mentality85]

Kid is a team defense killer (just as atrocious as Dame Lillard).

Cleveland's Defense since drafting him.

2018-2019: 26th in points allowed.
2019-2020: 23rd in points allowed.
2020-2021: 17th in points allowed.

Collin Sextons advanced defensive statistics:
256th in Defensive Win Share.

521st in Defensive Rating (out of a possible 540 players (521/540).

Not only is he a ball hogging shoot first/past last PG who would be horrible for the player development of Immanuel Quickley, R.J. Barrett, Julius Randle and Mitchell Robinson but he's absolutely atrocious on Defense and would become a team defense killer within coach Thibs man-to-man Defense.

Cleveland's records since drafting him
2018-2019: 19-63.
2019-2020: 19-46.
2020-2021: 22-50.

2018-2020 = 60-159 (.273%).

There's a real reason why Cleveland is already ready to QUIT ON HIM after only 3 years and after using an 8th overall lottery draft pick on him and it's because of 3 reasons.

1.) He's a shoot first/pass last Ballhog of a PG who his own teammates dislike.

2.) He's a team defense killer due to being absolutely atrocious on Defense (he's putrid).

3.) He's a ball hogging PG who plays zero defense and had led their franchise to 3 consecutive tank seasons with not an above .500 winning season in sight (with this BUST leading the way @ starting PG).

He's nothing more than an ESPN media hype who our NY kids especially RJ and Randle would absolutely, hate (playing alongside of).

[TerrenceClarke]

Read on Twitter

Clear shams info is coming from the cavs!!!!!!!

No way they’re in the driver seat!!!!!!!!!!

They are tho. There is no rush to make it happen. At worst they can wait till the trade dead line next season. If he balls out again next year, the price will go up.

The longer they wait the more his value drops!!!!!!!

Teams aren’t going to trade anything for him if they know they can get him in restricted free agency!!!!!!!

The cavs aren’t going to pay him regardless!!!!!!!

Day by day his value drops!!!!!!!!

I dont see how his value drops specifically if he balling.. There is always a team that never wait till RFA and they pounce before then. Sexton will easily be a hot commodity. Between now and the deadline his value will remain the same. It wont be lower than what it is now. Sexton will never be traded for a bag of peanuts. There is also the sign and trade aspect as well. Cavs are in the Drivers seat for a few months.

[GONYK]

They are tho. There is no rush to make it happen. At worst they can wait till the trade dead line next season. If he balls out again next year, the price will go up.

The longer they wait the more his value drops!!!!!!!

Teams aren’t going to trade anything for him if they know they can get him in restricted free agency!!!!!!!

The cavs aren’t going to pay him regardless!!!!!!!

Day by day his value drops!!!!!!!!

I dont see how his value drops specifically if he balling.. There is always a team that never wait till RFA and they pounce before then. Sexton will easily be a hot commodity. Between now and the deadline his value will remain the same. It wont be lower than what it is now. Sexton will never be traded for a bag of peanuts. There is also the sign and trade aspect as well. Cavs are in the Drivers seat for a few months.

Why will he easily be a hot commodity later when he isn't one now?

It's his contract situation that is the big reason his value is depressed.

That's only going to become more pressing closer to the deadline. Teams are going to offer less because they are getting less time to evaluate him in their organization and they know the Cavs get more desperate.

Cavs lose a lot of leverage as soon as they make the pick at #3

[DaGawd]

Knox and Obi being buns is the reason this might drag on for awhile huh…

[TerrenceClarke]

The longer they wait the more his value drops!!!!!!!

Teams aren’t going to trade anything for him if they know they can get him in restricted free agency!!!!!!!

The cavs aren’t going to pay him regardless!!!!!!!

Day by day his value drops!!!!!!!!

I dont see how his value drops specifically if he balling.. There is always a team that never wait till RFA and they pounce before then. Sexton will easily be a hot commodity. Between now and the deadline his value will remain the same. It wont be lower than what it is now. Sexton will never be traded for a bag of peanuts. There is also the sign and trade aspect as well. Cavs are in the Drivers seat for a few months.

Why will he easily be a hot commodity later when he isn't one now?

It's his contract situation that is the big reason his value is depressed.

That's only going to become more pressing closer to the deadline. Teams are going to offer less because they are getting less time to evaluate him in their organization and they know the Cavs get more desperate.

Cavs lose a lot of leverage as soon as they make the pick at #3

Well if you think only one team in the NBA wants sexton you kidding yourself. Is this the case because of what you believe?

Cavaliers guard Collin Sexton will have no shortage of suitors on the trade market.

The Heat, Knicks, Pelicans, Pacers, Thunder and Lakers are among the teams evaluating a trade for Sexton.

Thats enough interest to call him a hot commodity to teams. You acting like its just the knicks lol. The league is not Blind to his talent at all. I can pull an individual report for every team on that list.

Knicks fans really be drinking they own kool aid.

[Iron Mantis]

Kid is a team defense killer (just as atrocious as Dame Lillard).

Cleveland's Defense since drafting him.

2018-2019: 26th in points allowed.
2019-2020: 23rd in points allowed.
2020-2021: 17th in points allowed.

Collin Sextons advanced defensive statistics:
256th in Defensive Win Share.

521st in Defensive Rating (out of a possible 540 players (521/540).

Not only is he a ball hogging shoot first/past last PG who would be horrible for the player development of Immanuel Quickley, R.J. Barrett, Julius Randle and Mitchell Robinson but he's absolutely atrocious on Defense and would become a team defense killer within coach Thibs man-to-man Defense.

Cleveland's records since drafting him
2018-2019: 19-63.
2019-2020: 19-46.
2020-2021: 22-50.

2018-2020 = 60-159 (.273%).

There's a real reason why Cleveland is already ready to QUIT ON HIM after only 3 years and after using an 8th overall lottery draft pick on him and it's because of 3 reasons.

1.) He's a shoot first/pass last Ballhog of a PG who his own teammates dislike.

2.) He's a team defense killer due to being absolutely atrocious on Defense (he's putrid).

3.) He's a ball hogging PG who plays zero defense and had led their franchise to 3 consecutive tank seasons with not an above .500 winning season in sight (with this BUST leading the way @ starting PG).

He's nothing more than an ESPN media hype who our NY kids especially RJ and Randle would absolutely, hate (playing alongside of).

Sorry, It's too late. We're in love.

It doesn't matter if she's a homewrecking gold-digger and has a crazy ex-bf getting out of prison soon.

We know what we want........we'll worry about the implications later.

Get us Sexton... now!

[KnicksGadfly]

Knicks should totally target Richaun Holmes in FA.

I’m a big fan. Has a floater, plays good defense.

[GONYK]

I dont see how his value drops specifically if he balling.. There is always a team that never wait till RFA and they pounce before then. Sexton will easily be a hot commodity. Between now and the deadline his value will remain the same. It wont be lower than what it is now. Sexton will never be traded for a bag of peanuts. There is also the sign and trade aspect as well. Cavs are in the Drivers seat for a few months.

Why will he easily be a hot commodity later when he isn't one now?

It's his contract situation that is the big reason his value is depressed.

That's only going to become more pressing closer to the deadline. Teams are going to offer less because they are getting less time to evaluate him in their organization and they know the Cavs get more desperate.

Cavs lose a lot of leverage as soon as they make the pick at #3

Well if you think only one team in the NBA wants sexton you kidding yourself. Is this the case because of what you believe?

Cavaliers guard Collin Sexton will have no shortage of suitors on the trade market.

The Heat, Knicks, Pelicans, Pacers, Thunder and Lakers are among the teams evaluating a trade for Sexton.

Thats enough interest to call him a hot commodity to teams. You acting like its just the knicks lol. The league is not Blind to his talent at all. I can pull an individual report for every team on that list.

Knicks fans really be drinking they own kool aid.

You think Knick fans are drinking kool-aid, but you choose to cling to the leaks the Cavs are putting out trying to drum up business, without questioning why the Cavs feel the need to put leaks out.

Pull all the individual reports for each team you want. Half those teams have nothing to offer.

[cgmw]

Allen
Obi (Love)
Okoro (Knox)
Suggs
Garland
***
Pick 19
Osman

That’s an interesting young core. Are we allowed to SnT Frank?

[TerrenceClarke]

Why will he easily be a hot commodity later when he isn't one now?

It's his contract situation that is the big reason his value is depressed.

That's only going to become more pressing closer to the deadline. Teams are going to offer less because they are getting less time to evaluate him in their organization and they know the Cavs get more desperate.

Cavs lose a lot of leverage as soon as they make the pick at #3

Well if you think only one team in the NBA wants sexton you kidding yourself. Is this the case because of what you believe?

Cavaliers guard Collin Sexton will have no shortage of suitors on the trade market.

The Heat, Knicks, Pelicans, Pacers, Thunder and Lakers are among the teams evaluating a trade for Sexton.

Thats enough interest to call him a hot commodity to teams. You acting like its just the knicks lol. The league is not Blind to his talent at all. I can pull an individual report for every team on that list.

Knicks fans really be drinking they own kool aid.

You think Knick fans are drinking kool-aid, but you choose to cling to the leaks the Cavs are putting out trying to drum up business, without questioning why the Cavs feel the need to put leaks out

The only think I choose to do is say that Knicks aint the only game in town with Sexton. You choose to respond with your beliefs, when its a pretty sure thing that multiple Teams are interested in his talent. Why wouldnt they he is a border line all star type talent.

[GONYK]

Well if you think only one team in the NBA wants sexton you kidding yourself. Is this the case because of what you believe?


Thats enough interest to call him a hot commodity to teams. You acting like its just the knicks lol. The league is not Blind to his talent at all. I can pull an individual report for every team on that list.

Knicks fans really be drinking they own kool aid.

You think Knick fans are drinking kool-aid, but you choose to cling to the leaks the Cavs are putting out trying to drum up business, without questioning why the Cavs feel the need to put leaks out

The only think I choose to do is say that Knicks aint the only game in town with Sexton. You choose to respond with your beliefs, when its a pretty sure thing that multiple Teams are interested in his talent. Why wouldnt they he is a border line all star type talent.

I'm sure plenty are interested, in a vacuum.

The question is how many of them are offering more than what the Knicks are.

Based on the nature of the Cavs leaks, the answer appears to be not many, at this moment in time and the Cavs have an interest in moving him before the draft.

[KnicksGadfly]

They are tho. There is no rush to make it happen. At worst they can wait till the trade dead line next season. If he balls out again next year, the price will go up.

The longer they wait the more his value drops!!!!!!!

Teams aren’t going to trade anything for him if they know they can get him in restricted free agency!!!!!!!

The cavs aren’t going to pay him regardless!!!!!!!

Day by day his value drops!!!!!!!!

I dont see how his value drops specifically if he balling.. There is always a team that never wait till RFA and they pounce before then. Sexton will easily be a hot commodity. Between now and the deadline his value will remain the same. It wont be lower than what it is now. Sexton will never be traded for a bag of peanuts. There is also the sign and trade aspect as well. Cavs are in the Drivers seat for a few months.

Do you mean the trade deadline next year? I think we’re going to see some news by the draft. There are just too many rumors and leaks going out now. Sexton’s probably packing his bags now and they want their new draft pick to play heavy minutes with Garland. If the Cavs really create this environment of “when will they trade Sexton?” next year, I feel that would be a dumb move. Better to just have a clean slate, clean locker room, and give the keys to their draft pick. Whether Miami or New York or whatever.

I also expect the Knicks to pivot elsewhere if the trade doesn’t get done. The Knicks aren’t going to wait til the next deadline. There should also be other players available on the market. Also, once those picks get used, they’re gone.