The Case for Scottie Barnes with the Bulls pick( if the pick conveys to Orlando)

[MAGICian619]

Just curious what people would do if the draft played out like this, it's a long shot, but not impossible, but who do you take at 5?

1 - Det - cade
2 - hou - green
3 - cle - suggs (if sexton is traded I'd be shocked if this isn't the pick)
4 - Tor - Kuminga

So at 5, Mobley?, Barnes? Someone else?

I think at the point you just take Mobley and try one last time to swap him for Green with Houston. If not, just move on with Mobley and take Bouknight/Moody at 8.

[thelead]

Just curious what people would do if the draft played out like this, it's a long shot, but not impossible, but who do you take at 5?

1 - Det - cade
2 - hou - green
3 - cle - suggs (if sexton is traded I'd be shocked if this isn't the pick)
4 - Tor - Kuminga

So at 5, Mobley?, Barnes? Someone else?

I think at the point you just take Mobley and try one last time to swap him for Green with Houston. If not, just move on with Mobley and take Bouknight/Moody at 8.

Agreed. That's an easy call. Mobley and Moody would be an excellent draft. Highly unlikely but I would be happy with that.

[pepe1991]

Some comparison at college level with him is probably Winslow, guy who played on stacked college team, didn't have big usage, was in that " small ball PF " role where he was stronger than most of his competition, could finish in traffic, handle the ball, pass, but everything that made him unique at college ( 6'6-230, 6'10 wingspan) at college, for athletical "big", wasn't that big in nba, where his athletical ability was never anything special, nor his lenght, weight and strenght ever came off as "big time " difference maker.

Funny you make that comparison because but Justise Winslow actually played really well for the Heat in 17-18 and 18-19. He wasn't a crazy efficient offensive player, but he defended at a high level, he was good at distributing the ball, the HEAT were way better when he was on the floor and he even hit 145-385 threes over those two years which is an extremely workable .377%.

He played even better in 18-19 after Dragic got hurt and Spoelstra converted him to full time point guard.

Unfortunately he's had brutal injury luck since 18-19, missing about 75% of the games over the next two seasons, but he was on track to be a very impactful player for them for a long time before injuries derailed his career.

But if you could tell me from an on/off impact perspective that Barnes would give what Winslow gave in his 3rd and 4th years in the league, I'd take it.

https://hoopshabit.com/2019/01/07/miami-heat-justise-winslow-has-been-a-fantastic-point-guard-so-far/

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/01/11/justise-winslow-miami-heat-point-guard-ceiling-development

As i wrote later in post, good role player, bit taller Winslow is not player i'm burning my 5th pick at.

[PrimeThyme]

As i wrote later in post, good role player, bit taller Winslow is not player i'm burning my 5th pick at.

Winslow averaged 12 ppg, 5rpg, and 4 apg with a -1.1 obpm in the season that's being referenced. He's only had higher than a -2.0 obpm once in his entire career && even then he was still in the negative. If you're telling me the absolute worst-case scenario for him is Justice Winslow, fine, but I certainly won't be happy or ecstatic about it.

I need to be convinced that his ceiling and realistic floor are higher than that to feel comfortable taking him. I personally think it is, but I'm not super confident in that belief. Which is what makes me a bit lower on him than most others.

[basketballRob]

Barnes just posted video from OKC locker room.

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[RookieStar]

Just curious what people would do if the draft played out like this, it's a long shot, but not impossible, but who do you take at 5?

1 - Det - cade
2 - hou - green
3 - cle - suggs (if sexton is traded I'd be shocked if this isn't the pick)
4 - Tor - Kuminga

So at 5, Mobley?, Barnes? Someone else?

Im taking Mobley and laughing all the way. Just in time with wcj and mo's contract extension coming up. Trade one of them for an asset. Mobley right now, like what we did with D12, could play as the insurance PF for JI but ultimately his long term position should be a C. That won't happen until we bulk him up and get his body ready for the bumping and grinding.

Eventually maybe 2-3 years he could play full-time C ( depends how fast acting his HGH, steroids and what not lol )

[The Effect]

Just curious what people would do if the draft played out like this, it's a long shot, but not impossible, but who do you take at 5?

1 - Det - cade
2 - hou - green
3 - cle - suggs (if sexton is traded I'd be shocked if this isn't the pick)
4 - Tor - Kuminga

So at 5, Mobley?, Barnes? Someone else?

Im taking Mobley and laughing all the way. Just in time with wcj and mo's contract extension coming up. Trade one of them for an asset. Mobley right now, like what we did with D12, could play as the insurance PF for JI but ultimately his long term position should be a C. That won't happen until we bulk him up and get his body ready for the bumping and grinding.

Eventually maybe 2-3 years he could play full-time C ( depends how fast acting his HGH, steroids and what not lol )

The more ive watched the more i like him for us, but for the opposite reason
Much like the 2 guys hes compared to most often, Pau and Chris Bosh, I think hes a 4 that could play 5 in a pinch, and probably do that later in his career, but in 21-22 i see him as a 4.
I personally have 0 faith in isaac staying healthy and being a star, so to me he would be the replacement for Isaac going forward

[RookieStar]

Just curious what people would do if the draft played out like this, it's a long shot, but not impossible, but who do you take at 5?

1 - Det - cade
2 - hou - green
3 - cle - suggs (if sexton is traded I'd be shocked if this isn't the pick)
4 - Tor - Kuminga

So at 5, Mobley?, Barnes? Someone else?

Im taking Mobley and laughing all the way. Just in time with wcj and mo's contract extension coming up. Trade one of them for an asset. Mobley right now, like what we did with D12, could play as the insurance PF for JI but ultimately his long term position should be a C. That won't happen until we bulk him up and get his body ready for the bumping and grinding.

Eventually maybe 2-3 years he could play full-time C ( depends how fast acting his HGH, steroids and what not lol )

The more ive watched the more i like him for us, but for the opposite reason
Much like the 2 guys hes compared to most often, Pau and Chris Bosh, I think hes a 4 that could play 5 in a pinch, and probably do that later in his career, but in 21-22 i see him as a 4.
I personally have 0 faith in isaac staying healthy and being a star, so to me he would be the replacement for Isaac going forward

Of course.. as I said, no way am I throwing his underdeveloped body into the C mix right away. Im giving him 2-3 years to bulk up and toughen his body up before I try to let him bang down low. However, when we are ready for the championship, I see him as 5 that can command the offense like AD... not really physically imposing like the Joker,Embbid,Vuc type

[VFX]

I keep going back to watch more Barnes footage and the more I watch the less confident I am in his playmaking. I don’t see someone who understands how he’s breaking a defense down, just someone reacting to it. His passes are often poorly placed, too, and not hitting shooters in their spots.

Not saying he’s bad, but I don’t see him as a point forward. He’s more of a secondary facilitator. A second pass guy.

Not someone I’d want as the centrepiece of a rebuild.

This.

He's only a playmaker when he's coming downhill on a break, outlet, or off of a great defensive play.
I'm not really sure where people are getting him as a "Point Forward" because he's not great at creating in a half court set.

He appears to be a hustle guy, defensive stopper, and nightmare in a pick n roll situation IF he is surrounded by shooters. The problem is that Orlando doesn't have those players yet to compliment any of those skills. They haven't had those kind of players since 2009.

He's not a centerpiece to a rebuild unless you are prioritizing defense and plan on switching out every other roster spot to highlight his strengths offensively.

[Knightro]

He's not a centerpiece to a rebuild unless you are prioritizing defense and plan on switching out every other roster spot to highlight his strengths offensively.

Just to be 100% clear, I don't think Barnes is the centerpiece to a rebuild either. But the Magic are picking 5th and the few guys who I do think *could* be centerpieces are all likely to be off the board.

I would not pick Barnes over any of the top four.

I would explore trading up.

But assuming they're locked into at 5 and my options are Barnes, Kuminga, or any of the other guards/wings/bigs, I'm picking Barnes.

[jonbob17]

Some comparison at college level with him is probably Winslow, guy who played on stacked college team, didn't have big usage, was in that " small ball PF " role where he was stronger than most of his competition, could finish in traffic, handle the ball, pass, but everything that made him unique at college ( 6'6-230, 6'10 wingspan) at college, for athletical "big", wasn't that big in nba, where his athletical ability was never anything special, nor his lenght, weight and strenght ever came off as "big time " difference maker.

Funny you make that comparison because but Justise Winslow actually played really well for the Heat in 17-18 and 18-19. He wasn't a crazy efficient offensive player, but he defended at a high level, he was good at distributing the ball, the HEAT were way better when he was on the floor and he even hit 145-385 threes over those two years which is an extremely workable .377%.

He played even better in 18-19 after Dragic got hurt and Spoelstra converted him to full time point guard.

Unfortunately he's had brutal injury luck since 18-19, missing about 75% of the games over the next two seasons, but he was on track to be a very impactful player for them for a long time before injuries derailed his career.

But if you could tell me from an on/off impact perspective that Barnes would give what Winslow gave in his 3rd and 4th years in the league, I'd take it.

https://hoopshabit.com/2019/01/07/miami-heat-justise-winslow-has-been-a-fantastic-point-guard-so-far/

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/01/11/justise-winslow-miami-heat-point-guard-ceiling-development

As i wrote later in post, good role player, bit taller Winslow is not player i'm burning my 5th pick at.

As you have reminded us so often over the last year, most lottery picks fail miserably anyways, right? Seems like a guy with a high floor would be the smart play.