Poll: Trade 5 for 6 and 16

[thelead]

I’m not sold on Kuminga or Barnes, thus wouldn’t mind taking either at this point if it meant we could land another pick. If the top 4 are off the board (Cade, Green, Mobley, Suggs) are off the board, would you consider this trade with OKC?

In this scenario, we were unable to trade up into the top 4.

Why do this?

For me, in the event that Kuminga is who OKC really wants, we could end up with Barnes and Jaden Springer or Barnes and Sengun over just Kuminga.

We still hold onto the 8th pick and could go multiple ways with that pick but just to flesh it out, we could end up with:

6: Barnes
8: Moody
16: Sengun (or Springer)

[MartinsIzAfraud]

OKC isn’t giving us 16 to move up 1 spot. They’re also happy staying put and picking young talent and making it work.

[jonbob17]

OKC would really have to want their guy. If we were waffling, then it would be great. Who knows where our front office or OKC is though. I would love a BOGO Barnes/Ziaire.

[thelead]

OKC isn’t giving us 16 to move up 1 spot. They’re also happy staying put and picking young talent and making it work.

Possibly but who really knows. It all depends on if they really want who we end up picking. Draft trades are tricky and usually can’t be planned ahead of time but OKC may fall in love with who we pick and make that offer. Hell, we wish we could trade 5 and 8 to move up only 2 spots but it’s because a lot of us love Green.

The poll was really to see how many are willing to sacrifice ‘their’ 5th pick to gain another mid-round talent.

[jezzerinho]

Moving down one spot is extremely unlikely. Think about it...

[thelead]

Moving down one spot is extremely unlikely. Think about it...

yes. Lotto pick draft day trades are unlikely in general. That said, would you?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

OKC isn’t giving us 16 to move up 1 spot. They’re also happy staying put and picking young talent and making it work.

Possibly but who really knows. It all depends on if they really want who we end up picking. Draft trades are tricky and usually can’t be planned ahead of time but OKC may fall in love with who we pick and make that offer. Hell, we wish we could trade 5 and 8 to move up only 2 spots but it’s because a lot of us love Green.

The poll was really to see how many are willing to sacrifice ‘their’ 5th pick to gain another mid-round talent.

It would depend on other roster moves. Right now our playable depth has some solid holes. Is Gary Harris healthy enough to play? It seems like he could've played at the end of the year but didn't need to. I fully expect them to re-sign Mo Wagner on a small deal so he could slide as backup 4. Maybe they go OPJ on a 1 year deal for veteran presence as well.

I would love for them to waive Bacon and figure that out later at 3. I don't envision Isaac or Fultz to be healthy at the start of the season. I also fully expect pick 8 to be a BEST WING AVAILABLE due to the massive hole we have right now.

Cole/RJ/MCW
Harris/RJ
Bacon/TRoss
Okeke/
WCJ/Bamba

I just don't see any way where having 3 rookies would be beneficial but who knows. Maybe the FO truly has committed to development and taking L's along the way in hopes of developing 2-3 guys and working out the rest.

[MoMM]

OKC isn’t giving us 16 to move up 1 spot. They’re also happy staying put and picking young talent and making it work.

What if it was #5+#33 for #6+#16?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

OKC isn’t giving us 16 to move up 1 spot. They’re also happy staying put and picking young talent and making it work.

What if it was #5+#33 for #6+#16?

would I do it yes, does it make any sense not really

OKC already has 34, 36 & 55 in the 2nd round, 33 isn't going to do anything for them. If anything I could see they moving 16 & 18 to try and get into top 10-12 if they have a target they really like.

[cedric76]

No Thx

[T-Rob]

Usually pick trading is for a team to jump in front of someone to grab the player they want. In an earlier thread there was a discussion surrounding Warriors offering 7 and 14 for pick 5. This scenario, they are able to leap OKC to take the player they want, possibly Barnes. Orlando however would possibly miss out on Kuminga but would gain another asset at 14. Just depends on how sold you are on Kuminga or Barnes I guess. Sounds like the Warriors would like to move those picks for an already established player though anyways.

[AdamTheGreek]

If I can’t trade up, I’m trading back to 6-16 or 7-14.

My ideal draft right now would be Moody (5, 6, or 7), Giddey (8), Usman Garuda (14 or 16, send him to Lakeland or keep him in Spain), and Preston (33, Lakeland).
We’ll still have roster space for the 1-2 vets we need to sign.

[drsd]

From an asset management perspective, this is a great trade. But it is hard to see Orlando carrying four rookies next year.

As a thought exercise:
6 - Scottie Barnes
8 - Moses Moody
16 - Kai Jones
33 - JT Thor

It is an interesting set of players to add to the current roster.

[drsd]

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[drsd]

If I can’t trade up, I’m trading back to 6-16 or 7-14.

Do you value 6-16 or 7-14 more?

Six means the Magic gets Barnes. Seven means, I guess, an over reach relative to mock-drafts to guarantee Moody.
I am not sure I see a difference in 14 over 16; perhaps it makes it more probable the Magic gets one of the more mature NCAA guys: one of Wagner, Bouknight, Mitchell, or Kispert. All four should be gone by 16.

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[AdamTheGreek]

If I can’t trade up, I’m trading back to 6-16 or 7-14.

Do you value 6-16 or 7-14 more?

Six means the Magic gets Barnes. Seven means, I guess, an over reach relative to mock-drafts to guarantee Moody.
I am not sure I see a difference in 14 over 16; perhaps it makes it more probable the Magic gets one of the more mature NCAA guys: one of Wagner, Bouknight, Mitchell, or Kispert. All four should be gone by 16.

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Whatever guarantees me Moody. If he’s on the board either way at 6 or 7, then give me 7 and 14.

The Magic don’t need guys like Wagner or Kispert. Those are pieces you bring on if you’re a playoff team. The Magic need to take big swings on guys they believe could be stars. Moody and Giddey I consider to have that potential.

[The Effect]

depends how 1-4 go

If if goes as many expect with Cade\jalenX2, mobley, then yeah i easily make that trade, its a no brainer
If one of those guys fall, then very easy no

Only problem id have with the trade down (assuming 1-4 go as scheduled), is that depending on OKCs GM and future GM, timeline and current roster, they arent trading up for barnes, this would be a trade for Kuminga (just try and tell me Henny\presti isnt a Kuminga fan), so if we made this trade, it would almost guaranteed be to select barnes, and that would be depressing as **** to me

i wouldnt be thrilled with Barnes, but being able to potentially add another Cole\RJ level player would be nice.

6 - Barnes
8 - Moody
16 - Springer
33 - Stash, trade or sell, no way we bring in 4 rookies with 3 2nd year guys here as well

[zaymon]

If I can’t trade up, I’m trading back to 6-16 or 7-14.

Do you value 6-16 or 7-14 more?

Six means the Magic gets Barnes. Seven means, I guess, an over reach relative to mock-drafts to guarantee Moody.
I am not sure I see a difference in 14 over 16; perhaps it makes it more probable the Magic gets one of the more mature NCAA guys: one of Wagner, Bouknight, Mitchell, or Kispert. All four should be gone by 16.

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Whatever guarantees me Moody. If he’s on the board either way at 6 or 7, then give me 7 and 14.

The Magic don’t need guys like Wagner or Kispert. Those are pieces you bring on if you’re a playoff team. The Magic need to take big swings on guys they believe could be stars. Moody and Giddey I consider to have that potential.

I dont see that star potential in Moody. He is mostly catch and shoot. I would prefer to have 6'10 defender on the wing who is better passer than 6'6 with slitghly better shot. If i remember correctly Wagner is also better pnr ball handler.

[Ralof]

i really think presti would be pleased with either kuminga or barnes at #6.
if he wants to trade up he has so many assets he could go directly to #3 pic,lol

that said,my opinion of kuminga or barnes is pretty low,so i would trade down and kings at #9 would be my target.
we could still end with two between wagner,moody,giddey,sengun + another good frp for the future.

P.S:all this clearly if we could not trade up for one between cade,green and suggs,indeed

[Anti Chalmers]

OKC would only do this if the guy they love is at 5. I think they’re happy just picking up young talents and seeing which one stick while amassing a **** load of picks.