Cavs, Rockets, Pelicans, Thunder inquire above moving up to #1

[440BB]

When a Rockets fan takes the time to come onto the Pistons board to repeatedly argue Cunningham isn't worth much, we must have something special at #1. I appreciate that confirmation and thanks for visiting. We'll keep Cade, thank you.

[zeebneeb]

When a Rockets fan takes the time to come onto the Pistons board to repeatedly argue Cunningham isn't worth much, we must have something special at #1. I appreciate that confirmation and thanks for visiting. We'll keep Cade, thank you.

It is really odd how strong the push is to keep Cade out of Detroit. As a media market, Detroit has fallen off from being a large market, to more of a mid market, but when combined with the metro, and surrounding areas, its still a large market.

The more I see of Cade, his possible assists, his court vision, his basketball IQ, his off the court smarts, his shooting ability, his post play(this cannot be covered enough)his fast break acumen, his will to be the best,, you name it, he is the complete package.

I would rather take the chance on him, then possibly make a huge mistake. I really like Green, I always have. I just think its more of a gamble then Cade.

[The Moose]

Yea Green is too risky for me personally, if I was picking at 2 or 3 I would be more than happy to take that risk, he's an exciting prospect, but there are a few things that scare me. One is obviously his build, he keeps getting the Kobe/Jordan comp but his frame and body are just nowhere near the other great SG's. He is the same height as MJ, Kobe, Wade but all 3 have 6'11 wingspans while Green's is 6'7. The other thing is the G-league being an entirely new process for potential prospects, it makes it hard for me to assess a lot of what he is doing, simply due to it being unprecedented.

Mobley is very tempting to me, but I have major concerns over his frame and his offensive role at the next level, and wings are just more important for winning imo in the current landscape of the NBA

[Liqourish]

Green isn't even a risk to me. Cade is just better. There is a reason every team wants him. Green, Mobley and Suggs will be very good players in this league. Cade will be a franchise altering star. Not just because of his game, but how he will impact the players around him. There is no match there amongst the other prospects. Two more weeks...

[rmfc]

Green isn't even a risk to me. Cade is just better. There is a reason every team wants him. Green, Mobley and Suggs will be very good players in this league. Cade will be a franchise altering star. Not just because of his game, but how he will impact the players around him. There is no match there amongst the other prospects. Two more weeks...

Yeah. Having a preference for one player doesn't mean the others are "risky". All top 5 prospects have their strengths and weaknesses. Cade just has way better BBIQ than the rest and it consistently shows in the way he plays on the court. As long as he has strong work ethic, he is going to be a very good player for a long time in the NBA.

[SamFlow]

No doubt...ask for the moon. I was just saying some of these proposed prices are way over the top. But yeah, shoot your shot. All it takes is one desperate partner. The only team I can see giving more than what it typically given is OKC, due to the sheer number of picks they have.

I think what’s rubbing me the wrong way in your tone is, it isn’t us shooting our shot, it’s everybody else that’s shooting their shot. We’re good right where we are, y’all are supposed to impress us, not the other way around. Hence the term drivers seat.

Yes, others have to convince you to trade. I don’t see them trying to convince you by offering more than what we typically see being paid to move up as of late.

Houston Rockets get: First pick (Cade Cunningham), Jeremy Lamb
Detroit Pistons get: Kevin Porter Jr., second and 13th picks, future conditional first-round pick
Indiana Pacers get: Eric Gordon, 23rd pick

... if they added another first round pick (considering the above mention conditional is detroits pick back) add in josh if we needed too.

I would seriously consider that.
1.
KPJ
Jalen Green
Bey
Grant
Stewart

plus 13 (kai jones who did lock down defense against Cade) and future draft capital
..............or
2.
Killian
KPJ
Bey
Grant/Mobley
Stewart/Mobley

plus 13 (Bouknight) and future draft capital
......or
3.
Killian
Cade
Bey
Grant
Stewart
......

1. KPJ has lead guard offense to work with Grant with Bey backing them up. Jalen free to be 4th option and easier transition.
13th pick guy like Kai Jones who could end up helping take over for grant in time. 2 more years to season up. Killian could backup, defensive stopper or trade capital.

2. KPJ has lead guard offense to work with Grant with Bey backing them up. Mobley time to transition and put on weight and take over for Grant when his time is up. 13th pick could be a guy like bouknight to add fire to the backcourt if Killian doesn't work out.

3. Cade and lead guard offense to work with Grant with Bey backing them up. Bench still needs work and backup pf/c and grant future replacement.
....

I'm starting to think it's possible to make a deal that works out much better for Detroit. I'm not quite against Cade, but for the right offer I could see greater potential.

[The Moose]

If we do trade down, I really hope the target is Mobley and not Green. He and Cade are in their own tier of this draft imo

Honestly think Mobley has the highest ceiling in the draft full stop

If Cleveland offered Mobley+Sexton, I'd definitely consider it

[buzzkilloton]

If we do trade down, I really hope the target is Mobley and not Green. He and Cade are in their own tier of this draft imo

Honestly think Mobley has the highest ceiling in the draft full stop

If Cleveland offered Mobley+Sexton, I'd definitely consider it

Mobley is for sure my #2. A Chris Bosh style big man is much more intriguing then adding a Lavine/Beal type SG. Theirs also a world where Mobley improves his handles and starts hitting 3s and hes Kevin Garnett with a 3pointer type guy which is really interesting.

All that said a offer of Mobley Sexton doesnt interest me for Cade. Any offer starts with a extra lotto pick from a bad team for me. I'm completely happy just taking Cade though and would be sad to move him.

[The Moose]

If we do trade down, I really hope the target is Mobley and not Green. He and Cade are in their own tier of this draft imo

Honestly think Mobley has the highest ceiling in the draft full stop

If Cleveland offered Mobley+Sexton, I'd definitely consider it

Mobley is for sure my #2. A Chris Bosh style big man is much more intriguing then adding a Lavine/Beal type SG. Theirs also a world where Mobley improves his handles and starts hitting 3s and hes Kevin Garnett with a 3pointer type guy which is really interesting.

All that said a offer of Mobley Sexton doesnt interest me for Cade. Any offer starts with a extra lotto pick from a bad team for me. I'm completely happy just taking Cade though and would be sad to move him.

I think he has legit DPOY potential, with the possibility of a very good faceup game/jumpshot + elite passing for a big. He doesn't have much of a low post game but his offense could still be elite as a face up big.

[NYPiston]

If we do trade down, I really hope the target is Mobley and not Green. He and Cade are in their own tier of this draft imo

Honestly think Mobley has the highest ceiling in the draft full stop

If Cleveland offered Mobley+Sexton, I'd definitely consider it

No. Take Cade or trade down for Green and a bunch of 1sts. Don't want a big guy who will never be a go to guy offensively to be their franchise player and not a fan of paying an empty stats guy like Sexton the huge contract he'll command.

[The Moose]

If we do trade down, I really hope the target is Mobley and not Green. He and Cade are in their own tier of this draft imo

Honestly think Mobley has the highest ceiling in the draft full stop

If Cleveland offered Mobley+Sexton, I'd definitely consider it

No. Take Cade or trade down for Green and a bunch of 1sts. Don't want a big guy who will never be a go to guy offensively to be their franchise player and not a fan of paying an empty stats guy like Sexton the huge contract he'll command.

Sexton's stats are more empty than Green's? To me they are a similar archetype, Green is just a taller version.
I'd take Mobley over Green as a prospect for sure

[bstein14]

If we do trade down, I really hope the target is Mobley and not Green. He and Cade are in their own tier of this draft imo

Honestly think Mobley has the highest ceiling in the draft full stop

If Cleveland offered Mobley+Sexton, I'd definitely consider it

No. Take Cade or trade down for Green and a bunch of 1sts. Don't want a big guy who will never be a go to guy offensively to be their franchise player and not a fan of paying an empty stats guy like Sexton the huge contract he'll command.

Sexton's stats are more empty than Green's?

Sexton's stats aren't empty. He scored efficiently. His defense and lack of playmaking are where the concern should be, as well as the fact you're going to have to max him in a year. To me, "empty" stats on offense are when a player takes a lot of shots but isn't an efficient scorer. It's like Drummond getting a lot of rebounds, but stealing 3 a game from teammates and getting 3 offensive rebounds a game from his own misses. Then those rebounding numbers become a bit empty.

Sexton shot 37.1% from three and he also shot 50.8% on two pointers last season. He's a career 83% FT shooter as well and he's just 22 years old. Sexton is still so young he has a lot of room to really improve the areas that still need work.

That said, its the lack of other stuff that makes him scary to give a huge deal for. His ideal situation might be in a Lou Williams super sub role... or starting next to a big PG like Cade. Honestly, if Frank Jackson can continue to get better he can provide a lot of what Sexton does for a fraction of the price.

[The Moose]

No. Take Cade or trade down for Green and a bunch of 1sts. Don't want a big guy who will never be a go to guy offensively to be their franchise player and not a fan of paying an empty stats guy like Sexton the huge contract he'll command.

Sexton's stats are more empty than Green's?

Sexton's stats aren't empty. He scored efficiently. His defense and lack of playmaking are where the concern should be, as well as the fact you're going to have to max him in a year. To me, "empty" stats on offense are when a player takes a lot of shots but isn't an efficient scorer. It's like Drummond getting a lot of rebounds, but stealing 3 a game from teammates and getting 3 offensive rebounds a game from his own misses. Then those rebounding numbers become a bit empty.

Sexton shot 37.1% from three and he also shot 50.8% on two pointers last season. He's a career 83% FT shooter as well and he's just 22 years old. Sexton is still so young he has a lot of room to really improve the areas that still need work.

That said, its the lack of other stuff that makes him scary to give a huge deal for. His ideal situation might be in a Lou Williams super sub role... or starting next to a big PG like Cade. Honestly, if Frank Jackson can continue to get better he can provide a lot of what Sexton does for a fraction of the price.

Yeah he lacks ancillary skills, I agree. His best role might end up being an elite 6th man scorer, but for his age his scoring output+ efficiency is very rare. Personally I would prefer to take a chance on a guy like him over a future first round pick that likely is outside the top 4 picks. Thats my logic on the trade down front.

End of the day, I think we should just stay at the top though

[NYPiston]

Sexton's stats are more empty than Green's? To me they are a similar archetype, Green is just a taller version.
I'd take Mobley over Green as a prospect for sure

Green is a lot taller and far more athletic so he has a lot more defensive upside to go along with the offensive ability and he showed flashes of high level playmaking too that Sexton just doesn't have. Plus he's an off the ball guy, doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time like Sexton does.
I shouldn't say "empty stats", wrong use of words. I'm just a bit wary of players with beefed up stats on bad teams especially with significant flaws away from the ball.

I get the allure of Mobley especially because his defensive upside is best defensive big in the league level good but for a team like the Pistons that needs a go to guy in the absolute worst way, he's a no go for me. I actually think he's a perfect fit for Cleveland funny enough.

[The Moose]

Sexton's stats are more empty than Green's? To me they are a similar archetype, Green is just a taller version.
I'd take Mobley over Green as a prospect for sure

Green is a lot taller and far more athletic so he has a lot more defensive upside to go along with the offensive ability. Plus he's an off the ball guy, doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time like Sexton does.

I get the allure of Mobley especially because his defensive upside is best defensive big in the league level good but for a team like the Pistons that needs a go to guy in the absolute worst way, he's a no go for me. I actually think he's a perfect fit for Cleveland funny enough.

I'd like to see Mobley on the Raptors, though I don't think he falls there. They have a big hole in the lineup at center

[NYPiston]

I'd like to see Mobley on the Raptors, though I don't think he falls there. They have a big hole in the lineup at center

Yeah, he fits well on Toronto too.
I mean, a guy like Mobley can fit well on any team really but I REALLY want that go to guy, that alpha dog player. Cade is that, Green and Suggs have that in them too. Mobley is a bit of a background character in that respect.

[The Moose]

I'd like to see Mobley on the Raptors, though I don't think he falls there. They have a big hole in the lineup at center

Yeah, he fits well on Toronto too.
I mean, a guy like Mobley can fit well on any team really but I REALLY want that go to guy, that alpha dog player. Cade is that, Green and Suggs have that in them too. Mobley is a bit of a background character in that respect.

yeah that is fair if thats what you're after. I can't see him being much more than a rim runner/4th option offensively as a rookie or even his first couple of seasons.

I'm pretty confident Cade can fill that role

[Manocad]

No doubt...ask for the moon. I was just saying some of these proposed prices are way over the top. But yeah, shoot your shot. All it takes is one desperate partner. The only team I can see giving more than what it typically given is OKC, due to the sheer number of picks they have.

I think what’s rubbing me the wrong way in your tone is, it isn’t us shooting our shot, it’s everybody else that’s shooting their shot. We’re good right where we are, y’all are supposed to impress us, not the other way around. Hence the term drivers seat.

Yes, others have to convince you to trade. I don’t see them trying to convince you by offering more than what we typically see being paid to move up as of late.

Like I said, not a problem. They don’t get Cade and the Pistons do. Done.

[Snakebites]

Ugh, is it draft day yet.

If these teams really believe they have assets that are worth more than Cade is, they should just sit back and be thrilled that they have them.

IF they really believe that, of course…

[DNice68]

Sexton's stats are more empty than Green's? To me they are a similar archetype, Green is just a taller version.
I'd take Mobley over Green as a prospect for sure

Green is a lot taller and far more athletic so he has a lot more defensive upside to go along with the offensive ability and he showed flashes of high level playmaking too that Sexton just doesn't have. Plus he's an off the ball guy, doesn't need the ball in his hands all the time like Sexton does.
I shouldn't say "empty stats", wrong use of words. I'm just a bit wary of players with beefed up stats on bad teams especially with significant flaws away from the ball.

I get the allure of Mobley especially because his defensive upside is best defensive big in the league level good but for a team like the Pistons that needs a go to guy in the absolute worst way, he's a no go for me. I actually think he's a perfect fit for Cleveland funny enough.

Agree with all of this!