2021 Draft Thread

[lars_rosenberg]

No to Wagner at 7. He's a safe pick, but he's not going to be anything more than a good role player. I see more potential in Moody or, even if I'm not sold on him, Bouknight.
I think the Warriors will choose one player to be an instant contributor and a high potential player to develop slowly. We can't afford to play 2 rookies and Wiseman many minutes, so one bet on high potential is likely.
For this reason I like Moody at 7 and someone like Ziaire Williams at 14. At 14 there are actually many players I'd like, so I'd probably be happy with anything the Warriors choose.
If they go potential at 7 with Bouknight or Kuminga if he falls, I'd probably take someone like Mitchell, Duarte or Wagner (if still available, I doubt it) at 14.

[Onus]

There's not really anyone at 7 that has all star upside, other than Sengun, but I just can't see us taking him. Give me a high end role player who actually makes teams better and understands their role than some wannabe all star every day of the week.

[Onus]

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I like this group a lot more than the 1st one, because at least here, there's no one who I'd really dislike taking. Well I guess I'd dislike Ziaire because of personal reasons, and I think itd be a reach for Duarte at 14.. but I'd be fine with the rest at 14. Frankly like Ayo at 14 way more than Mitchell at 7.

Think scoring PGs are gonna start rising up boards soon.. McBride, Hyland, Ayo, Mann.. they really arent that far off of Mitchell overall, and they have more upside due to size. Maybe not Hyland, because he's more Lou Will than anything, but still

Also mixed feelings about Ayayi sneaking up into the late 1st.. cool that its happening, but sucks because I still held out hope that he'd be a 2nd round trade candidate for us

Ziaire is fools gold. How can anyone think he's a shooter? He can't beat anyone of the dribble, his first step is weak, his handle is weak. All he has are step back jumpers and he can't even shoot well. He's a better step back shooter than he is a catch and shoot shooter. That's a hard pass. Plus he's a cardinal

I'd find it really hard we would select Duarte at 14. On a team that thrives on ball movement, how can we select a player that literally can't pass. That would be out there for sure.

The only person who can actually get by people consistently on their own is Mitchell. I wouldn't want to take Mitchell at 7 because of need, but I could understand why we did take him at 7.

[Onus]

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I think it would be a mistake to pass on Wagner at 7 if no one in the top 6 drops

[lars_rosenberg]

There's not really anyone at 7 that has all star upside, other than Sengun, but I just can't see us taking him. Give me a high end role player who actually makes teams better and understands their role than some wannabe all star every day of the week.

I'd say Bouknight does have all star potential. I agree on Sengun, I'd wouldn't mind him at 14.

[Onus]

There's not really anyone at 7 that has all star upside, other than Sengun, but I just can't see us taking him. Give me a high end role player who actually makes teams better and understands their role than some wannabe all star every day of the week.

I'd say Bouknight does have all star potential. I agree on Sengun, I'd wouldn't mind him at 14.

When you say Bouknight has all star potential what do you mean? Because of his scoring? There's a lot of 6th men scorers that aren't all stars. Or do you see something more than that?

[The-Power]

I'd find it really hard we would select Duarte at 14. On a team that thrives on ball movement, how can we select a player that literally can't pass. That would be out there for sure.

Where is this coming from? He had some really bad passes (some sloppy, some telegraphed) but he was also asked to do too much – and still had a positive assist-to-turnover ratio, by the way. For an off-ball guard who isn't expected to create much for others, he's a perfectly fine passer. In our motion offense it is also more important that he moves well without the ball and is a willing (!) passer, and both of it is easy to project for him.

[KevinMcreynolds]

Wagner looks like a good player, but that would be the least exciting pick ever. I'd be stoked with Moody or Keon, I'd be ok with Bouknight. I'm not really feeling anyone at 7 besides them, unless one of the top 6 drops to us.

[Mob Byers]

Moody is the one. Keon I wouldn't be mad about if we also got Trey Murphy.

[KevinMcreynolds]

anything but Jalen Johnson, that dude's shot looks worse than Draymond's and he seems like a mental midget

[FNQ]

Maybe I missed it but what's your take on Keon? He seems quite a bit away from being a contributor, at least on the offensive end. Ziaire to me is someone you'd take in the early 2nd because he has some upside obviously, but I'd be wary of drafting a player who struggled as much as he did in college in the first round.

Duarte I'd actually be fine with at 14 if we prioritize immediate contribution. He's about as ready as anyone in that range to contribute out of the gate and since you wouldn't ask him to be an important offensive initiator, I don't see much of a chance that he really struggles in the NBA in a more simplified role.

I think the Spree comps are somewhat accurate on Keon. Lots of athleticism. I personally wouldnt do it, but if they really see what they like, and think they can get their shooter at 14 (if we dont get at least one good shooter, I'll **** scream). And Ziaire I knew from before Stanford when he was considered a plus shooter, but it didnt translate at Stanford. Now their system sucks, but he definitely disappointed as well. If they took him, I'd assume there was a plan in place. But he does not tick off either box I'm looking for (good ballhandler/creator or good shooter)

Duarte would be a good pick if the other pick is a handler, because I saw enough of him to know that he's really going to struggle off the drive in the NBA. So he'd be a pure 3&D guy, and I dont know that he can guard larger guys like SFs, which limits the 3&D angle to me. I'm sure he could be passable, but I cant envision a scenario where hes the best fit for us at 14.

Maybe, but I'd not like either. Ayo I see as a fringe first rounder with his profile but since I see Mitchell as a fringe-first type of player as well, I guess technically I'd agree with that take.

Yeah more a statement on Mitchell than Ayo. I have Mitchell more towards the mid 1st and Ayo toward the 20s, but I think Ayo has more upside than Mitchell does. Mitchell has a higher floor but eh.. I just don't want to draft someone in the lottery who's going to significantly impact our size and has a questionable projecting jumper.

Not sure I'd characterize anyone of those as a PG although I can understand the label ‘scoring PG’ for Mann and McBride (the other two I have as CG, or Hyland maybe even as an undersized SG). Out of these guys I'd clearly go for Mann if I had the choice. Not only do I believe he has the most upside, but he's also the player who's best suited to replicate some of what Steph is giving us from the bench.

Don't disagree here, although I would be disappointed if we drafted another person in the Steph mold. I like Poole for that role, think he did admirably in Steph's absence, and think he deserves the faith in him at this point. I also think Mann is the only viable one for us of the group because of his size, even though most scouting reports caution that he's likely not able to play SG consistently.

Yeah, I think Ayayi would be a nice get for some team in the second round, including us, but I in case we draft or otherwise get someone who can play off the ball as a Guard I don't see much of a need for him in particular.

Yeah if we get to the 2nd and we havent drafted another guard, thats a whole other problem. And it sucks that he's being mocked upwards because the whole point of his value was that getting him would cost next to nothing, and he's just a solid player who doesnt need the ball in his hands to be effective. If we were at our usual #30 pick, I'd be very down. But acquiring such a pick now would cost an asset that we probably shouldnt give up, and that really takes him off the table. If he were in the "buy a 2nd" range of 40+, I'd love to get him. But too much 2nd round guard talent to really key in on him

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I like this group a lot more than the 1st one, because at least here, there's no one who I'd really dislike taking. Well I guess I'd dislike Ziaire because of personal reasons, and I think itd be a reach for Duarte at 14.. but I'd be fine with the rest at 14. Frankly like Ayo at 14 way more than Mitchell at 7.

Think scoring PGs are gonna start rising up boards soon.. McBride, Hyland, Ayo, Mann.. they really arent that far off of Mitchell overall, and they have more upside due to size. Maybe not Hyland, because he's more Lou Will than anything, but still

Also mixed feelings about Ayayi sneaking up into the late 1st.. cool that its happening, but sucks because I still held out hope that he'd be a 2nd round trade candidate for us

Ziaire is fools gold. How can anyone think he's a shooter? He can't beat anyone of the dribble, his first step is weak, his handle is weak. All he has are step back jumpers and he can't even shoot well. He's a better step back shooter than he is a catch and shoot shooter. That's a hard pass. Plus he's a cardinal

I'd find it really hard we would select Duarte at 14. On a team that thrives on ball movement, how can we select a player that literally can't pass. That would be out there for sure.

The only person who can actually get by people consistently on their own is Mitchell. I wouldn't want to take Mitchell at 7 because of need, but I could understand why we did take him at 7.

Ziaire was a really good HS shooter.. and Stanford sucks. And not just because I'm a bear, but their offense really did suck. You'd be drafting unseen (in college) potential, but he definitely has that mondo upside.

I think Keon, Christopher, and Springer are pretty good at getting by their man as well, and at least 2 should be there at 14. Springer is pretty interesting in that a 'passing' role here wouldnt take all that much handling skill. Like a Monta, for example, but Springer gets by with smarts more than speed, a refreshing change IMO

[Onus]

I'd find it really hard we would select Duarte at 14. On a team that thrives on ball movement, how can we select a player that literally can't pass. That would be out there for sure.

Where is this coming from? He had some really bad passes (some sloppy, some telegraphed) but he was also asked to do too much – and still had a positive assist-to-turnover ratio, by the way. For an off-ball guard who isn't expected to create much for others, he's a perfectly fine passer. In our motion offense it is also more important that he moves well without the ball and is a willing (!) passer, and both of it is easy to project for him.

I forget which report or who's analysis it was but they said he misses passes constantly. Like throws the ball but the ball is way off the mark.

[Onus]

I like this group a lot more than the 1st one, because at least here, there's no one who I'd really dislike taking. Well I guess I'd dislike Ziaire because of personal reasons, and I think itd be a reach for Duarte at 14.. but I'd be fine with the rest at 14. Frankly like Ayo at 14 way more than Mitchell at 7.

Think scoring PGs are gonna start rising up boards soon.. McBride, Hyland, Ayo, Mann.. they really arent that far off of Mitchell overall, and they have more upside due to size. Maybe not Hyland, because he's more Lou Will than anything, but still

Also mixed feelings about Ayayi sneaking up into the late 1st.. cool that its happening, but sucks because I still held out hope that he'd be a 2nd round trade candidate for us

Ziaire is fools gold. How can anyone think he's a shooter? He can't beat anyone of the dribble, his first step is weak, his handle is weak. All he has are step back jumpers and he can't even shoot well. He's a better step back shooter than he is a catch and shoot shooter. That's a hard pass. Plus he's a cardinal

I'd find it really hard we would select Duarte at 14. On a team that thrives on ball movement, how can we select a player that literally can't pass. That would be out there for sure.

The only person who can actually get by people consistently on their own is Mitchell. I wouldn't want to take Mitchell at 7 because of need, but I could understand why we did take him at 7.

Ziaire was a really good HS shooter.. and Stanford sucks. And not just because I'm a bear, but their offense really did suck. You'd be drafting unseen (in college) potential, but he definitely has that mondo upside.

I think Keon, Christopher, and Springer are pretty good at getting by their man as well, and at least 2 should be there at 14. Springer is pretty interesting in that a 'passing' role here wouldnt take all that much handling skill. Like a Monta, for example, but Springer gets by with smarts more than speed, a refreshing change IMO

I know in hs Ziaire was a good shooter, and maybe he turns it around and becomes a shooter, but I don't even see it with the ancillary stuff either. He's really riding his hs hype and physical attributes because in college he couldn't get good shots.

[floppymoose]

He also showed some real shortcomings as a finisher, with poor balance and body control once he got moving toward the basket and a need to jump off two feet.

I can understand Hollingers other comments, but I don't get that one. He was a two footed finisher the way JRich was a two footed finisher. In that, sure, it's true, but it's also not a problem. and like JRich he is going to figure that one out. Really disagree with the poor body control comment.

[GSWFan1994]

Latest draft intel from Kevin O'Connor:

You can read it here.

Quick summary:

- Detroit will stand pat and take Cade at pick 1.

- Houston leaning on taking Jalen Green with pick 2.

- Cleveland intends to take Evan Mobley with pick 3, even if they trade Colin Sexton on draft night. Most executives view Mobley as the draft's 2nd best player.

- If Cleveland flips Sexton, they could draft Jalen Suggs, therefore Toronto would instantly pick Mobley at 4. Likely not to happen, so they would be happy with Suggs.

- Top 4 is set in stone, like everyone and their mothers already knows.

- Lots of teams trying to trade up to the 2-4 range.

- Teams that could be trying to move up: Orlando (5 + 8), OKC (6 + 16 + 18), Golden State (7 + 14).

- Orlando likes Scottie Barnes at 5.

- OKC likes Barnes and Bouknight with the 6th pick.

- Jonathan Kuminga could fall to the Warriors at 7. The same Warriors, however, are trying to trade out of the draft for veteran help.

All in all, not much news to consider, IMO.

[Mob Byers]

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Working out Keon Johnson, Ayo, Duarte, Kispert, Trey Murphy, and Zaire today

[HiRez]

- Jonathan Kuminga could fall to the Warriors at 7. The same Warriors, however, are trying to trade out of the draft for veteran help.

I'm not gonna be happy if Kuminga's available at 7 and we traded the pick.

[mos_def]

- Jonathan Kuminga could fall to the Warriors at 7. The same Warriors, however, are trying to trade out of the draft for veteran help.

I'm not gonna be happy if Kuminga's available at 7 and we traded the pick.

That's why I think a cap swap is coming on draft day

[mos_def]

Wagner looks like a good player, but that would be the least exciting pick ever. I'd be stoked with Moody or Keon, I'd be ok with Bouknight. I'm not really feeling anyone at 7 besides them, unless one of the top 6 drops to us.

I'm agreeing with this. The thing is when we got tiered out and became the top team to select in the second tier then we focus alot on warts. The phrase of 'I would take them at 14 but not 7,' became real popular. The bpa fits here since the group we are aiming at probably will all be gone by 14. If the team feels that Wagner, mitchell, bouknight, is worth the 14 pick then drafting them at 7 doesn't matter. Draft them at 7. It isn't a 7 player top tier draft. It's a 6 player tier draft.. but that's not to say we can't find players at 7 and 14. It's like fantasy football. 'Owners' don't like 1st pick if top pick due to pressure. If drafting a player is too high but you know they won't make it back to you then just draft the player you want. The team has to take the same philosphy