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Re: 2021 Draft Thread 

Post#1241 » by clyde21 » Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:10 am

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clyde21 wrote:makes more sense in our system than Mitchell but ugh

How does Davion Mitchell not "make sense in our system"? He shot 56% from 2 and 45% from 3, he's a very good passer, a good athlete who plays bigger than his listed size, plays tenacious defense, good motor and work ethic, and high BBIQ. By all accounts is more NBA-ready than most people in this draft. What about that isn't good for us? Now I'm not saying he can't be criticized (his FT% is the main one for me), but the guy appears to have a lot of things we need, and can plug into our system without blowing it up.


this Mitchell nonsense is getting tiresome. let me put it to **** bed once and for all.

first of all, based on all the evidence we have now, Mitchell's 44% from 3 this year has been the outlier, not that pattern. in the previous TWO years he shot 28% and 32% from 3 respectively, in total both years he shot 31% on 2.5 attempts per. to make it worse, he shoots 66% from the FT line for his career, which indicates poor shooting scalability again. not only that, his FT% got progressively worse every single year in the NCAA on higher volume...again, absolutely terrible for a 6-foot, almost 23-year-old guard, and a massive red flag when it comes to projecting him as a shooter/scorer at the next lvl.

so, the idea that he's surefire 40+% shooter from 3 point land is ridiculous. maybe he's that guy, maybe not. i'd say we have more evidence today that he's not vs. that he is.

as for his fit in our system...not the **** sure what 'high motor and work ethic' have to do with our system. i hope anyone we're drafting has a high motor and good work ethic, otherwise we shouldn't be drafting them. that has nothing to do with whether he fits in our system or not. on defense he's primarily a POA defender, nothing more. he's not very switchable and can only defend up a position (if that). that's why Giddey is a better fit for us defensively, because he's more switchable and can slide up or down a position, even tho he's not the POA defender Mitchell is...kinda like what Liv was for us coming off the bench.

also, Mitchell got most of his assists via breaking defenders down off the dribble top of the key for a drive+kick, which is fine, and there are spots for this offensively depending on the matchup, but that is not what we want to consistently do on offense, and on defense he doesn't project to be any type of legitimate spot-up shooter or cutter...neither does Giddey, but at the very least there is some versatility to Giddey on both sides of the court that this team has coveted previously (before Myers turned into a turd). because he's not a guy that's you're gonna want running actual offense for you outside a few off-bench minutes here and there unless you want to lose a lot of games. he most definitely doesn't have the creative juice that Giddey has.

really this talk about Mitchell in the lotto is just garbage, doesn't make any sense...everyone that is actually simping for us to draft a 23-year-old, 6 foot guard with who can't shoot **** FTs 7th or 14th should have their bball card revoked on the spot.
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Re: 2021 Draft Thread 

Post#1242 » by killmongrel » Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:13 am

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Why do people say he looks old? He doesn't look a day over 30.
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Post#1243 » by EvanZ » Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:15 am

It’s a shame they probably won’t pick Moody. Such an obviously good pick.
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Post#1244 » by clyde21 » Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:18 am

EvanZ wrote:It’s a shame they probably won’t pick Moody. Such an obviously good pick.


it's an easy/obvious pick, staring Myers right in the face.
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Post#1245 » by killmongrel » Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:21 am

EvanZ wrote:It’s a shame they probably won’t pick Moody. Such an obviously good pick.


Actually, that's why I think they do pick Moody. If you look at Myers' and Co's track record for the past couple years, it's a practice of the obvious.
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Post#1246 » by whatisacenter » Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:39 am

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EvanZ wrote:It’s a shame they probably won’t pick Moody. Such an obviously good pick.


it's an easy/obvious pick, staring Myers right in the face.


I think there is a good chance they take him but the thing about his shot that concerns me is that he dips it before he goes up. He has a great WS but only measured 6'4" at the combine and I am hearing Makil Bridges as a comp and I don't see that at all. Moody is not nearly as bouncy and long as Mikal, I'm sure they can get his shot worked out and he would be able to play defense and spread the floor on offense. I don't think his upside is as high as some other options and I wonder if he might still be on the board at 14.
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Post#1247 » by EvanZ » Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:48 am

He is 2 or maybe 3 years younger than Mikal was coming out. He has a 7’1” wingspan. That is Draymond length. He said in his presser yesterday he’s put on 15 pounds since the season ended. Has way more dribble game than Mikal. Stud. Flat out stud waiting to happen.
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Post#1248 » by Quazza » Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:09 am

Has there been any word on how that workout went ?.
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Post#1249 » by clyde21 » Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:14 am

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EvanZ wrote:It’s a shame they probably won’t pick Moody. Such an obviously good pick.


Actually, that's why I think they do pick Moody. If you look at Myers' and Co's track record for the past couple years, it's a practice of the obvious.


Wiseman was not the obvious pick at all
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Post#1250 » by HiRez » Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:21 am

Problem with Moody is the same with a lot of guys in this draft: a bit of a reach at #7, but most likely gone by #14. Can say the same about Wagner, Giddey, and a whole bunch of others. I don’t think I’d be upset if they took Moody at #7 though, he’s gonna find a role in the NBA and should be solid. Maybe he’s not a star but less risky than many in the same general tier IMO.
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Post#1251 » by killmongrel » Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:27 am

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killmongrel wrote:
EvanZ wrote:It’s a shame they probably won’t pick Moody. Such an obviously good pick.


Actually, that's why I think they do pick Moody. If you look at Myers' and Co's track record for the past couple years, it's a practice of the obvious.


Wiseman was not the obvious pick at all
Within the context of how the FO has been operating, I thought it was predictable what the FO was gonna do. Wiseman had been connected to them since even before the lotto. Drafting LaMelo would have been more shocking.

Take a look back at the Oubre acquisition. Even before Klay's injury, Oubre was the name you would keep hearing being associated as being the best choice for that TPE. Then Klay goes down and all of a sudden, voila, Oubra is signed right after. The shocking thing would have been them taking a riskier move or using the TPE had Klay not gotten injured. Even though this has been parroted before, I agree with the narrative that this FO does not really think outside the box. That's why I truly believe Moody is the most likely pick. He's safe. Has upside. FO doesn't want to deal with a draft pick who gets the fanbase antsy because he isn't contributing as a 7th pick. Still early, and anything can happen, but I really do think they try to avoid any drama unless Barnes or Kuminga happen to fall to them.
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Post#1252 » by whatisacenter » Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:30 am

EvanZ wrote:He is 2 or maybe 3 years younger than Mikal was coming out. He has a 7’1” wingspan. That is Draymond length. He said in his presser yesterday he’s put on 15 pounds since the season ended. Has way more dribble game than Mikal. Stud. Flat out stud waiting to happen.


Mikal also has a 7'1" wingspan, is 6'7" and looks to be more of a quick twitch athlete than Moody. Do you think Moody will be able to create his own shot in the NBA? I don't consider his handle to be at a high level.

I like Moody and would be happy if the team picked him. Just my observations on the guy.
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Post#1253 » by watch1958 » Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:20 am

Is there anything about Kispert to make me like him more than Jessup?
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Post#1254 » by Sam Lowry Jr » Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:23 am

whatisacenter wrote:
EvanZ wrote:He is 2 or maybe 3 years younger than Mikal was coming out. He has a 7’1” wingspan. That is Draymond length. He said in his presser yesterday he’s put on 15 pounds since the season ended. Has way more dribble game than Mikal. Stud. Flat out stud waiting to happen.


Mikal also has a 7'1" wingspan, is 6'7" and looks to be more of a quick twitch athlete than Moody. Do you think Moody will be able to create his own shot in the NBA? I don't consider his handle to be at a high level.

I like Moody and would be happy if the team picked him. Just my observations on the guy.


Mikal isn’t a super fast twitch guy, but Moody is definitely a slow twitch guy. I don’t think either is going to be a superstar but each will be better than average role players on championship squads, which is fine by me.

FWIW Warriors had Moody break down film with them yesterday, but didn’t do the same with Jalen Johnson, suggesting they have high interest in Moody.
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Post#1255 » by EvanZ » Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:37 am

Moody got to the line a lot suggesting a lot more ball handling than he's being recognized for. He's got the old man game and is only just beginning to put on strength.
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Post#1256 » by Nvnervous45 » Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:33 am

Color me unimpressed by Moses Moody.
When I watch his tape nothing except his 3 point shooting jumps out at me. He's not a particularly explosive player, not that great of playmaker, not great at blowing past his guy and going to the hoop. To me drafting him at #7 would be like taking Robert Covington at #7, a solid 3 and d, but not much more. He won't be a star in this league.
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Post#1257 » by GSWFan1994 » Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:46 am

At 7:

1. Barnes
2. Kuminga
3. Jalen Johnson

... then I could start thinking about Moody.

I just try to follow this simple rule of thumb: when I watch a highlights video of some player, if I don't get excited about something this player provides, however small it may be, then I don't approve of this same player.
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Post#1258 » by KevinMcreynolds » Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:46 am

watch1958 wrote:Is there anything about Kispert to make me like him more than Jessup?


Stronger, better finisher, better catch n shoot. Jessup looks like he got some better handles though.
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Post#1259 » by GQ Hot Dog » Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:00 am

Nvnervous45 wrote:Color me unimpressed by Moses Moody.
When I watch his tape nothing except his 3 point shooting jumps out at me. He's not a particularly explosive player, not that great of playmaker, not great at blowing past his guy and going to the hoop. To me drafting him at #7 would be like taking Robert Covington at #7, a solid 3 and d, but not much more. He won't be a star in this league.


I agree that he isn't going to be a star but that doesn't mean his skill set isn't valuable. I think he's an example of low ceiling/high floor. The guy I've been comparing him to is a little bit smaller Trevor Ariza who's been a super valuable wing role player most of his career.

Who Moody reminds me of most, and people are going to laugh because this is so obscure, is Desmon Farmer who had a good career at USC and a cup of coffee in the NBA.
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Post#1260 » by watch1958 » Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:28 am

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watch1958 wrote:Is there anything about Kispert to make me like him more than Jessup?


Stronger, better finisher, better catch n shoot. Jessup looks like he got some better handles though.
Your probably right about Kispert being a better finisher; he had much better 2FG%.

I’m not sure Kispert is better @ catch & shoot. Jessup only had a strong team his sophomore year. He shot .45 on 3s, on 6+ attempts per game that year.

Be interesting to see.
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