'SHARPSHOOTER Duncan Robinson on NYK's radar during Free Agency'

[NYK-Mentality85]

Hopefully after my post (below) you will never compare Duncan Robinson to these two guys ever again nor disrespect Duncan Robinson again with these "player comparisons" (because there is no comparison).

Watch/Read and learn something (plz).

Duncan Robinson is going to ask for Joe Harris or Davis Bertans money.

Good. He deserves it.

Because he's better than both of them as both a 3PT shooter and also as a Defensive player too.

Joe Harris & Dāvis Bertāns previous two years including Playoffs (combined)

300 games played (combined).
594/1,392.
3PT% of .426%.
1.98 made 3's per game.

Vs.

Duncan Robinson previous two years including Playoffs (by himself).

170 games played.
592/1,402.
3PT% of .422%.
3.48 made 3's per game.



There is no comparison: Duncan Robinson is a better and more deadly 3PT shooter than both of Harris/Bertāns (combined).

Harris/Bertāns combined has only made throughout the previous two seasons 2 more 3's made than Duncan Robinson - despite playing in 130 more games than Duncan Robinson

Give Duncan Robinson another 130 more games and @ 3.48 made 3's per game he'd have (approximately) 452 more made 3's (1,044 3's made vs their 594 made 3's).

No comparison as a 3PT shooter.

But what really separates Duncan Robinson from both of Harris/Bertāns is Duncan Robinson's much better Defensive ability.

Duncan Robinson (Defense):

2019-2020: Miami's Defense Ranked 10th.
2020-2021: Miami's Defense Ranked 5th.
Both years combined Team Defense = 7.5th.

2019-2020: Defensive Win Share = 131st.
2020-2021: Defensive Win Share = 89th.
Both years combined Defensive Win Share = 110th.

2019-2020: Defensive Player Rating = 113.2 (439th). Same as Cam Reddish.

2020-2021: Defensive Player Rating = 114.3 (462nd). Same as James Harden.

Both Years Combined Defensive Player Rating = 450th.5.

Vs.

Joe Harris (Defense)

2019-2020: Brooklyn Defense Ranked 18th.
2020-2021: Brooklyn Defense Ranked 21st.
Both years combined Team Defense = 19.5th.

2019-2020 Defensive Win Share = 93rd.
2020-2021 Defensive Win Share = 203rd.
Both years combined Defensive Win Share = 148th.

2019-2020 Defensive Player Rating = 112.4 (425th). Same as Chasson Randle.

2020-2021 Defensive Player Rating = 116.9 (518th). Same as Khyri Thomas.

Both years combined Defensive Player Rating = 471.5th.

Vs.

Dāvis Bertāns (Defense)

2019-2020: Washington Defense Ranked 29th.
2020-2021: Washington Defense Ranked 30th.
Both years combined Team Defense = 29.5th.

2019-2020 Defensive Win Share = 306th.
2020-2021 Defensive Win Share = 219th.
Both years combined Defensive Win Share = 262.5th.

2019-2020 Defense Player Rating = 116.5 (500th). Same as Zach Collins.

2020-2021 Defensive Player Rating = 115.6(498th). Same as Damian Lillard.

Both years combined Defensive Player Rating = 499th.



There is no comparison in regards to Defensive abilities.

Not only is Duncan Robinson a better individual defender then both Harris/Davis (combined) but he's also a much better team defensive player too.

And if I were to become petty and compare their postseason playoff advanced defensive statistics? Duncan Robinson would embarrass them even more on Defense (because that's where Duncan Robinson graded the highest was during the playoffs while they both graded out the lowest during their playoff(s).



I'm sorry but you no longer have the right to compare Duncan Robinson to two lesser players in Harris/Davis in regards to both 3PT shooting ability and/or Defensive ability (both team Defense and/or Individual Defensive ability).

Try again because (next time) you're going to have to hit me with better 3PT shooting and Defensive Player comparisons than your "Davis and Harris" comps.

(As you can clearly see and tell; Duncan Robinson deserves to be paid more than both players due to being a much better basketball player than both (combined)

[NYK-Mentality85]

Happy Saturday.

Knicks = 21st in 3's made



Duncan Robinson =

One of the greatest and most prolific NBA 3PT shooters of All-Time....

Watch on YouTube

ABSOLUTE FIRE!

(and imo only an NY hater can hate on that and not want that for our Knicks).

[3toheadmelo]

Since NYK mentality tried to create fake posts about me… here’s some real posts about him on the GB

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2102609&hilit=Sexton&start=40

Delusional as always. Please ignore this guy he in no way represents what any sane Knick fans think

That's a terrible, deluded and homer take. Plus it looks like you're trying to trade 2 free agents..

What exactly has Obi done to show he should even be in the NBA?

The Knicks desperately need players that can create their own shot. You are finally at a point where you can make the playoffs and you're offering this pile of crap that is so bad it would even make Ainge blush.

Trying to trade 5 pennies for a dollar is ridiculous.



Aside from the above craziness. I think Sexton's ideal role is as a star 6th man.

Thank you, that post was embarrassing.

Hahaha.

**** Man... seriously...

[Chanel Bomber]

The Knicks could get all the best shooters in the world, we would still end up as a bottom 10 team in 3s attempted under Thibs.

[KnicksGadfly]

Hmm Duncan Robinson even as good as Kelly Olynyk?

[3toheadmelo]

Hmm Duncan Robinson even as good as Kelly Olynyk?

Well he’s actually as good as Steph Curry according to nyk mentality on the gb

I disagree because his 3PT% of .423 after 1,254 3PT attempts currently ranks 13th All-Time and his seasons of 250 made 3's and 270's made 3's during a single season already ranks 25th and 15th All-Time and he's also the #1 fastest to 500 made 3's All-Time.

I'm sorry but as a Knicks fan born in 1985 I'm 36 years old and have been watching basketball for 30-31 years now and have witnessed some of the greatest 3 point shooters of All-Time and I know absolute greatness (when I see it).

Steph Curry is the only pure 3PT shooting sniper who I've ever witnessed who's as great as this kid.

[NYK-Mentality85]

I think it's hilarious someone with the username "3toheadMelo" is so against an elite 3PT shooter such as Duncan Robinson

3toHeadMelo 1st 8 years (2003-2010).
591 games.
463/1465.
3PT% of .320%.

3toHeadDuncan 1st 3 years (2018-2020).
160 games.
530/1254.
3PT% of 423%.

Omg.
Wow.


He doesn't deserve the username of "3ToHeadMelo and should seriously change it to 3ToDomeDuncan



Duncan Robinson in 431 fewer games than Carmelo Anthony had 67 more made 3's!

431 fewer games?
67 more 3's?
3PT% of .423% vs. .320%?

That's funny this dude is prancing around RealGM while false advertising his own Melo username

[NYK-Mentality85]

Hmm Duncan Robinson even as good as Kelly Olynyk?

Well he’s actually as good as Steph Curry according to nyk mentality on the gb

I disagree because his 3PT% of .423 after 1,254 3PT attempts currently ranks 13th All-Time and his seasons of 250 made 3's and 270's made 3's during a single season already ranks 25th and 15th All-Time and he's also the #1 fastest to 500 made 3's All-Time.

I'm sorry but as a Knicks fan born in 1985 I'm 36 years old and have been watching basketball for 30-31 years now and have witnessed some of the greatest 3 point shooters of All-Time and I know absolute greatness (when I see it).

Steph Curry is the only pure 3PT shooting sniper who I've ever witnessed who's as great as this kid.

You just don't know any better. You believe Steph is superman who no shooter will ever out shoot (well you're wrong).


Steph Curry career 3PT% of .433%.
D. Robinson career 3PT% of .423%.
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Steph Curry (1st 3 years).

180 games.
372/843
.441%.
166 = most amount of 3s made during a single season.
2.06 made 3's per game.

Duncan Robinson (1st 3 years).

160 games.
530/1254.
.423%
270 = most amount of 3s made during a single season.
3.31 made 3's per game.

Duncan Robinson played in 20 fewer games than Curry but yet made 158 more 3's than the GOAT shooter.

________________________________________

You obviously have no idea what type of historical 3 point shooting start Duncan Robinson is off to and how prolific his NBA start has truly been.

You don't. But I do.

Steph = 33 years old.
Dunc = 27 years old.

@ this rate of actually 260 made 3's per season in another 6 years by the time Robinson is 33 years old (like GOAT Steph) Duncan will have exactly 2,090 made 3's (10th All-Time).

I've made a better case for Duncan Robinson than any of you basketball geniuses has for against him.

PS: Having a false advertising username of "3toheadmelo isn't just wild but it's hilarious Because your boy Melo was absolute TRASH as a 3 point shooter.

BullyBallMelo.
NoDMelo.
ChuckerMelo.
FatMelo.
OlympicMelo.
MeloIsoBall.
BlackMeloHole.

Etc etc.

Any of those would be fitting usernames for you.

but "3toheadmelo" is 100% false advertising here on RealGM

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"rObInSoN cAN't gUArD maNE!"

"bRIng On SEXTon foR $28 miLl!"

same people

[KnicksGadfly]

I feel like Kevin Knox might become as good as Duncan though. He shot 36% from three last year, 39% this year, so in 2 years he’ll be shooting 45%. Plus he’s way younger than Duncan.

[NYK-Mentality85]

These aren't my words, these are the words of 5 different paid professional sports writers (and all 5 who know a lot more about him than you do).

1.)"An undrafted free agent back in 2018, Robinson has morphed into one of the most lethal catch-and-shoot three-point artists in the NBA today. Since the start of the 2019-20 season, the Michigan product is hitting on an astounding 43% from distance while averaging nearly four three-pointers per game. We know how much value that brings in today’s basketball landscape. Still only 27, he’s going to get a huge offer once the wing hits the restricted NBA free agent market with the New York Knicks showing initial interest."

2.) "Robinson has established himself as perhaps the most lethal movement shooter in basketball in two seasons since breaking out with the Heat in 2019-20. Though limited in other facets, he should be in for a sizable raise on his current contract, which he signed after starting on a two-way deal in Miami."

3.)"One of the best outside shooters in the league over the past couple of years. He’s also improved a good amount as a defender and on offense by learning how to use opponents’ aggressive defense against them to create easy buckets off of cuts."

4.)"A restricted free agent, it’s widely believe the Heat would very much like to retain the services of the deadly sharp shooter who turned out to be an awesome find out of Michigan. But someone could blow Robinson away with an offer considering he’s a career 42.3 percent shooter from beyond the arc, pricing him out of Miami".

5.) " Robinson is a 27-year-old elite perimeter shooter. Every contender needs shooting, and Robinson will be rewarded handsomely for his skill set. Robinson posted 13.1 points per game on the year while shooting 40.8 percent from deep on 8.5 attempts. He's always moving and can get shots off on the catch exceptionally quickly. He may not get as high as a maximum contract, but he'll be the target of teams with cap room. The Heat can match any offer, but how high will they go? Theoretical destinations: Heat, Knicks. Price range: $18-24 million starting salary.

Etc. Etc.
(It's easy to search online).

The NBA world loves him.
RealGM doesn't know any better.
We'll keep on laughing @ you.

Don't argue with NYKMENTALITY85.
Argue with those sports writers who see what I see.

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I like shooters and feel the Knicks always need more. But you can't really post "fastest to X threes" ALL TIME, in support of a player.

The volume of 3 point shooting took a huge upward leap with the Suns in the Nash heydey, but really took off last 6 years as copying GSW and Houston, analytics, rule changes etc made the attempts take off.

I'd like Robinson on the Knicks. Just not at the price it would take to get him, and not until they add guards and wings who can 3 level score. And that's not a knock on RJ, he's just not there yet. So that would leave just Rose and Burks, and both are currently UFA's, though I think we all know Rose is coming back.

I still think it’s fair. He shot 42.3% from 3 in his career and over 8 attempts a game the past 2 seasons. That percentage is 13th highest all time, but most of the 12 players above him shot a significantly lower volume of less than half the attempts per game. The only player to ever have shot a percentage that high, on that high a volume of shots per game that he shoots, is steph curry. (43.3% on 8.6 attempts a game). Klay Thompson is right behind Robinson at 14th, (41.9% on 7 attempts a game). So we are literally talking about a player who can give you the shooting accuracy and volume of a steph curry or a Klay Thompson. now obviously both of them can do other things that Duncan Robinson can’t do, which is why they are no brainer supermax players and we get to have a debate on whether the heat will pay to bring him back. But I’m just saying he’s been a historically good shooter

I'm more interested in the attention he gets from the defense, he would make far less 3's playing for Thibs but teams will stick to him like glue. We have nobody the defense gives a 1/2 a turd about coming off a pindown (maybe a hot Burks). Not that Thibs would run a pindown or anything other than iso-clogged toilet.

[NYK-Mentality85]

Wow never knew Miami Heats forum had so much traffic.

I only read the 1st page so far but those guys are literally PETRIFIED about our Knicks salary cap space.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2099771

[booyaka_jones]

I dunno how ya'll keep going back and forth with NYK-Mentalpatient lol - anyway, sure gimme Duncan Robinson at a reasonable number, though I doubt it's going to be a reasonable number

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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Buddy Hield fastest in NBA history to make 1,000 career 3-pointers
https://www.nba.com/news/buddy-hield-fastest-in-nba-history-to-make-1000-career-3-pointers

Wait. Aren't you the little fan who said you "don't care about regular season 3s and how you only talk about playoffs 3's"?

But then you try and fail by using "Buddy" as an example? @ you dude.

Buddy has been in the league since 2016 and has a Playoffs 3PT% of .000% because he's never once led his team a postseason appearance (0 career playoff games).



Are you sure you really want to talk to me about...

A) Playoffs.
B.) 3PT%

C.) Without sounding like a hypocritical type of hypocrite to all of RealGM?

Duncan Robinson previous 2 years

520/1219 (3PT% of .427%)
44-29 (2019-2020 playoffs + finals).
40-32 (2020-2021 playoffs).
Winning record of 84-61 (.575%).
25 playoff games.

Buddy Hield precious 2 yesrs
553/1409 (3PT% of .392%)
31-41 (2019-2020 = 0 playoffs)
31-41 (2020-2021 = 0 playoffs).
Losing record of 62-82 (.430%)
0 playoff games.



Do you still want to talk about Duncan Robinson vs. your Buddy ol boy to me in regards to both PLAYOFFS AND 3PT SHOOTING %?



Admit it.

Duncan Robinson makes 3s for playoffs and Finals teams while your Buddy boy misses 3's in garbage time for losing teams and never even made 1 playoff 3PT shot throughout his entire career @ you and your buddy boy example.

Your good ol Buddy boy is a loser vs Robinson a winner.

NoDopeOnSundays Monday-Sunday =

Your posts make little to no sense and are just long winded gibberish, you were talking about Duncan Robinson in the playoffs, trying to make it sound like he was some unrelenting force of nature when the reality is he only made 3 threes per game last season. The entire point was that the guys ahead of him that made more threes per game are multi-faceted players who do more than just shoot. Me bringing up Buddy Hield was in response to you lauding the fastest to 500 threes like that means anything when the fastest to 1000 is Hield and nobody cares about either. I don't want Hield, just like I don't want Duncan. The funniest thing is that you posted Buddy vs Duncan's two year stats and Buddy made more threes over that time period


I see you constantly saying the Knicks were 21st in threes, well the Heat were 14th in threes per game and 19th in percentage. Duncan made 1 whole three more than Reggie did per game, the Heat play at the same pace as us, so it's not like he'd come here and get more looks than he did on a team that has Bam & Jimmy Butler. You want to give someone a max that only made 1 three more per game, at a lower percentage. He made 2.5 threes per game in the playoffs this year at .370%, Reggie made 2.0 threes at .345%, if you think .5 more threes and .025% is worth 3-5 times as much money you are just a terrible at cost benefit analysis and I'd love to sell you some land or stocks.

[NYK-Mentality85]

I like shooters and feel the Knicks always need more. But you can't really post "fastest to X threes" ALL TIME, in support of a player.

The volume of 3 point shooting took a huge upward leap with the Suns in the Nash heydey, but really took off last 6 years as copying GSW and Houston, analytics, rule changes etc made the attempts take off.

I'd like Robinson on the Knicks. Just not at the price it would take to get him, and not until they add guards and wings who can 3 level score. And that's not a knock on RJ, he's just not there yet. So that would leave just Rose and Burks, and both are currently UFA's, though I think we all know Rose is coming back.

I still think it’s fair. He shot 42.3% from 3 in his career and over 8 attempts a game the past 2 seasons. That percentage is 13th highest all time, but most of the 12 players above him shot a significantly lower volume of less than half the attempts per game. The only player to ever have shot a percentage that high, on that high a volume of shots per game that he shoots, is steph curry. (43.3% on 8.6 attempts a game). Klay Thompson is right behind Robinson at 14th, (41.9% on 7 attempts a game). So we are literally talking about a player who can give you the shooting accuracy and volume of a steph curry or a Klay Thompson. now obviously both of them can do other things that Duncan Robinson can’t do, which is why they are no brainer supermax players and we get to have a debate on whether the heat will pay to bring him back. But I’m just saying he’s been a historically good shooter

I'm more interested in the attention he gets from the defense, he would make far less 3's playing for Thibs

Where do people come up with this stuff?

Guess you never heard of Kyle Korver?

The kid who throughout not even two full seasons (147 games) Thibbs allowed and let jack up 560 3PT attempts despite only 7 starts and only 21.2 minutes per game?

Never heard of him?

Because if so you wouldn't have just made me quote you on something that's completely made up and false.

Watch on YouTube

1 game with 6 3's made and only god knows how many 3 point attempts Thibs drew up for his sharp shooter.

Watch on YouTube

560 3PT attempts throughout only 2 years?
Despite only 7 starts?
Despite only 21.2 minutes per game?

Do you not know what you're talking about man or are you just saying random thoughts?

Coach Thibs would easily allow DUNCAN ROBINSON to shoot 800-1000 3s throughout a two year span while A.) Starter @ SF and B.) 30+ minutes per game (31+ minutes per game in Miami).

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I still think it’s fair. He shot 42.3% from 3 in his career and over 8 attempts a game the past 2 seasons. That percentage is 13th highest all time, but most of the 12 players above him shot a significantly lower volume of less than half the attempts per game. The only player to ever have shot a percentage that high, on that high a volume of shots per game that he shoots, is steph curry. (43.3% on 8.6 attempts a game). Klay Thompson is right behind Robinson at 14th, (41.9% on 7 attempts a game). So we are literally talking about a player who can give you the shooting accuracy and volume of a steph curry or a Klay Thompson. now obviously both of them can do other things that Duncan Robinson can’t do, which is why they are no brainer supermax players and we get to have a debate on whether the heat will pay to bring him back. But I’m just saying he’s been a historically good shooter

I'm more interested in the attention he gets from the defense, he would make far less 3's playing for Thibs

Where do people come up with this stuff?

Guess you never heard of Kyle Korver?

The kid who throughout not even two full seasons (147 games) Thibbs allowed and let jack up 560 3PT attempts despite only 7 starts and only 21.2 minutes per game?

Never heard of him?

Because if so you wouldn't have just made me quote you on something that's completely made up and false.

Watch on YouTube

1 game with 6 3's made and only god knows how many 3 point attempts Thibs drew up for his sharp shooter.

Watch on YouTube

560 3PT attempts throughout only 2 years?
Despite only 7 starts?
Despite only 21.2 minutes per game?

Do you not know what you're talking about man or are you just saying random thoughts?

Coach Thibs would easily allow DUNCAN ROBINSON to shoot 800-1000 3s throughout a two year span while A.) Starter @ SF and B.) 30+ minutes per game (31+ minutes per game in Miami).

The fact you're so condescending while never knowing what you're talking about makes me laugh


Per 36 Korver took 6.5 threes per game with the Bulls, it's not like Thibs was letting him do anything different from other coaches, Bud let him take 6.3 threes per 36 and he took 6.5 per 36 with the Sixers too

The biggest problem is you don't understand pace or possessions, we averaged 99.6 possessions per game this season, the Heat averaged 100.3 possessions, they played at the 2nd slowest pace in the league and we played at the first. So, the numbers you see from Duncan are essentially the same exact thing you'd see from him with us. It's not like we're an uptempo team that fast breaks and will get him looks in transition, he'll be playing exactly the same role as Bullock for 3-5x as much per season, for slightly better results.

With less possessions you think he's going to score more than he did with the Heat, and we have worse playmakers than them ontop of everything else.

[DOT]

Just draft Duarte

No need to spend 20 million per year on 6'7 Bertans.

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Do you not know what you're talking about man or are you just saying random thoughts?

I try to give you some lead because you are clearly an actual Knicks fan but at this point you have to just be a troll with some of the clowning and takes.