Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

[Mob Byers]

Since its Friday and there's already one ridiculous trade in here why not another:

Wiseman, JP, #7, 2022 1st ,EP, Looney, Lee, Mulder, Smiley
for
Ingram, #10

Let Klay come off the bench he'd be cool with it. Chill guy.

Trade #10, cash for #16/#18/#36

#14- Zaire Williams
#16- Alperen Sengun
#18- Trey Murphy
#35- Jeremiah Robinson-Earl

Sign:
Dieng, McGee, Rivers to vet min
Batum full TPMLE

Curry/Rivers/GP2/Mannion(2w)
Wiggins/Klay/Zaire
Ingram/Batum/Murphy
Green/JTA/JRE
McGee/Dieng/Sengun/Undrafted guy(2w)

[and1GS]

Well good fit PG has sure gotten the Clippers to fulfill their potential. Sometimes you just need great players all on the same team. There are multiple ways to build a contender.

Yeah Im sure it's his fault Kawhi torn his ACL and Ibaka needed back surgery.

You know Paul and Kawhi were both healthy last year right?

[Coxy]

Let Klay come off the bench he'd be cool with it. Chill guy.

[Mob Byers]

Well good fit PG has sure gotten the Clippers to fulfill their potential. Sometimes you just need great players all on the same team. There are multiple ways to build a contender.

Yeah Im sure it's his fault Kawhi torn his ACL and Ibaka needed back surgery.

So would you blame Lillard if Curry and Klay or Dray got injured in the playoffs and he doesn't get the team to the finals?

If anything you are making a great argument for keeping our assets/depth which I can't say I disagree with.

You know Paul and Kawhi were both healthy last year right?

FTFY

And I'll repeat myself bc maybe you didn't understand my poor wording:

If we traded the farm for Dame and he couldn't carry us past the WCF to the finals without Curry and a key rotation guy would you blame him?

Just seems like that's what you are doing to PG with the sarcastic bolded comment. You do know Ibaka played all but 2 games and Kawhi missed the final 8 games of their playoff campaign right?

Regardless, doesn't change the fact that midget ball doesn't work.

[ILOVEIT]

Out of the three I think the Clips window is shut. They went all in and it didn't work out. They can either acknowledge it now and let Kawhi walk and try to recoup some of their future by moving PG for assets or they can spend the next few years like the Magic with Grant HIll. If West has any influence left in that building I think they make the proactive moves now to expedite the rebuild. Philly moving Simmons is more of a luxury for them and I think Portland is fine being status quo unless Dame openly demands out.

For us, I think Paul George fits better than any of the other all in trades that get discussed.

Why would they let Kawhi walk? Shoot, resign him for max max money and then trade him. Plenty of teams will trade for him even if he sits out a year.

Actually Dame goes to Philly. PG13 goes to Portland. Simmons goes to Clippers. That actually should work for all involved if Kawhi is gone this year. (Granted Kawhi has to "ok" this trade) If not sign and trade Kawhi if he is ok with it, and get back some draft picks.

Granted none of the above helps the Warriors. I was debating if Clippers blow it up, would the Warriors look to get PG13? Wigs, Wiseman, 7 and 14?

Players have a say these days...

You think Dame would take a trade to EDIT Meant to say "Philly"?
Then assume you are Clippers....you want Simmons with the broken shot and no shooters to help and Kawhi out for at least a season? And what does HE think with his bud getting traded?
Thank PG13 wants to go to Portland....small market in the far northwest? Nah.

Players get what they want now....(see Harden)

Dame, if he wants out, will get traded to where HE wants to go. Period. And if he wants to go to the bay then Portland will except what they have to in a trade with Warriors.
If PG wants to stay west coast and likes a shot a chip with Warriors....Clippers (IF they want to trade him) will take that option.

[SpreeS]

C Poetlt Looney
PF Green JTA
SF Keldon Johnson
SG Klay White
PG Curry Murray

Wiggins/Wiseman/Poole/Paschall/7th pick/14th pick/ two future 1st picks

Let me understand what you’re suggesting.

The trade would be Wiggins, Wiseman, Poole, Paschall, the #7, #14, and 2 future #1 picks
For
Poeltl, Keldon Johnson, White, and Murray?

So the 2 guys who are actually starter-quality (White and Murray) would come here and come off the bench, and the 2 guys who are bench-quality (Poeltl and Johnson) would come here and start?

And we trade 2 promising prospects (Wiseman, Poole), 2 lottery picks, and 2 future picks as well, for the opportunity to do this? And include a starting SF who actually demonstrated this year that he is GOOD, albeit overpaid?

Good God, that’s so far off in both value, and team construction, that I don’t know where to start.

Man, everyone wants to get only All-Satrs, but doesnt think about fit and depth. I dont see the right fit with Simmons, Lillard and Lavine/Beal type players.

Poetlt/Keldon/White/Murry are almost starting 5 for west coast team, which was fighting for PO spot and leading by DeRozen...if they had better leader, SAN would be absolutely PO team!

All 4 players are young with 2-4 years contracts. All these players stats are growing every year. Also they are from POP system.

Our biggest problem was rebounding, depth, playmaking, rim protection and scoring. Poetlt is TOP10 in BLK% and OREB%, Muray and White are OK playmakers as 3rd and 4th options. We get plenty of scoring, athleticism, rebounding, playmaking. Keldon probably would make next step and all 3 shooting will improve with Klay/Curry

We would have MLE and VET min to fill the rooster with SF and PF/C player. Its win now situation

Poetlt Looney
Green vetmin JTA
Keldon MLE JTA
Klay White
Curry Murray

Baze Lee Mannion

[ChuckDurn]

C Poetlt Looney
PF Green JTA
SF Keldon Johnson
SG Klay White
PG Curry Murray

Wiggins/Wiseman/Poole/Paschall/7th pick/14th pick/ two future 1st picks

Let me understand what you’re suggesting.

The trade would be Wiggins, Wiseman, Poole, Paschall, the #7, #14, and 2 future #1 picks
For
Poeltl, Keldon Johnson, White, and Murray?

So the 2 guys who are actually starter-quality (White and Murray) would come here and come off the bench, and the 2 guys who are bench-quality (Poeltl and Johnson) would come here and start?

And we trade 2 promising prospects (Wiseman, Poole), 2 lottery picks, and 2 future picks as well, for the opportunity to do this? And include a starting SF who actually demonstrated this year that he is GOOD, albeit overpaid?

Good God, that’s so far off in both value, and team construction, that I don’t know where to start.

Man, everyone wants to get only All-Satrs, but doesnt think about fit and depth. I dont see the right fit with Simmons, Lillard and Lavine/Beal type players.

Poetlt/Keldon/White/Murry are almost starting 5 for west coast team, which was fighting for PO spot and leading by DeRozen...if they had better leader, SAN would be absolutely PO team!

All 4 players are young with 2-4 years contracts. All these players stats are growing every year. Also they are from POP system.

Our biggest problem was rebounding, depth, playmaking, rim protection and scoring. Poetlt is TOP10 in BLK% and OREB%, Muray and White are OK playmakers as 3rd and 4th options. We get plenty of scoring, athleticism, rebounding, playmaking. Keldon probably would make next step and all 3 shooting will improve with Klay/Curry

We would have MLE and VET min to fill the rooster with SF and PF/C player. Its win now situation

Poetlt Looney
Green vetmin JTA
Keldon MLE JTA
Klay White
Curry Murray

Baze Lee Mannion

To be honest, I don’t completely hate the fit, but (a) it’s a massive over-pay - remove the 2 future 1st-rounders, and the value is much more fair; and (b) I am much lower on Keldon Johnson than many people are. And If Johnson blows up, he probably becomes unaffordable in 2 years.

Re: the “overpay” - if I break it down, Wiggins + Wiseman is probably approximately equal to Poeltl + Johnson. Yes, Wiggins is overpaid, but he is objectively a better player than Johnson, and likely will remain so during their current contracts. This is offset by Poeltl being better than Wiseman, but Wiseman obviously has a lot more potential, and could reverse that. So net-net, that’s probably about even.

White and Murray, combined, are probably worth the #7 + #14 pick. There have been other threads talking about their values, but they inevitably circle back to each of those guys being worth somewhere between the #7 and #14, so if you add them both together, then they probably add up to #7 + #14.

So now we have Wiggins + Wiseman + #7 + #14 = Johnson + Poeltl + Murray + White. I honestly probably would be okay if the deal was limited to that.

But you’ve also got Poole going to San Antonio…… and I bet if you asked league execs right now, Poole probably has value worth a late first-round pick. Plus you have 2 more #1 picks going back to San Antonio? That’s simply way too much. Paschall to me is a “nothing” piece of this trade, simply because I think he’s not much more than a 10th man, but he makes so little money that he’s a non-factor. In other words, I kind of view him as a vet min player.

So adjust the value to eliminate Poole and the additional first-rounders, and I could get on-board with this.

(Though good luck explaining to White and Murray that they’re only going to get ~15-18 minutes/game in back-up roles.)

EDIT (added after initial post): in the construction which I suggested (which strips out Poole and the 2 future #1’s), I would seek a follow-up trade to balance the roster a bit - trading one of Poole, White, or Murray to try to bring on another combo-sized forward or draft pick, or decent center depth, or a decent draft pick. We wouldn’t need all of Curry, Klay, Murray, White, and Poole on the roster, while having much less depth at other positions.

[CS707]

Well good fit PG has sure gotten the Clippers to fulfill their potential. Sometimes you just need great players all on the same team. There are multiple ways to build a contender.

Yeah Im sure it's his fault Kawhi torn his ACL and Ibaka needed back surgery.

You know Paul and Kawhi were both healthy last year right?

Health is a relative term when it comes to Kawhi. You’re talking about a guy that’s never played a full season and outside of two, hasn’t really even come close to a full season. It’s moot though as it sounds like the Clips plan on resigning them. I think it’s a horrible decision but then I’m just a dude on a message board lol.

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[ChuckDurn]

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We’d have to add one of Paschall, Mulder, or Smiley to make the money work, and it would have to be done before the ‘21-‘22 league season starts (i.e. before White’s big “raise” takes effect). But I think I’d do that deal.

Interesting thing I never realized about Poeltl is how atrocious his free throw shooting is. But he is a good player. And White would fit really well. Aside from their public statements suggesting they wouldn’t move Wiseman in a deal unless a star was coming back, I suspect this is the kind of thing the front office is looking at.

[killmongrel]

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Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

[Jester_]

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This is pretty dumb. Of course it makes us better - you're trading slope for y intercept

[Jester_]

Unfortunately all the names that have been on the block in Lilllard, Siakam and Simmons are poor fits for the Warriors with either Steph or Draymond. I’m all for swinging for the fences and trading Wiseman, Wiggins and the picks but it has to work with the core that is left.

I don't get these takes (or most of the ones in this thread)

Lillard-Steph-Klay-Draymond wins a ring. Who in hell is going to stop that? It'll be comparable to KD/JH/KI on offense with way better defense

Dame bringing the ball down the floor, doing a hand-off to Draymond while Klay and Steph run circles around the court might be scarier than when we had KD.

[whatisacenter]

Unfortunately all the names that have been on the block in Lilllard, Siakam and Simmons are poor fits for the Warriors with either Steph or Draymond. I’m all for swinging for the fences and trading Wiseman, Wiggins and the picks but it has to work with the core that is left.

I don't get these takes (or most of the ones in this thread)

Lillard-Steph-Klay-Draymond wins a ring. Who in hell is going to stop that? It'll be comparable to KD/JH/KI on offense with way better defense

Dame bringing the ball down the floor, doing a hand-off to Draymond while Klay and Steph run circles around the court might be scarier than when we had KD.

I hear you but I just disagree. Offensively they would be good but not on D. Dame is really bad on defense. KD was an idea fit as a long SF on both sides of the court and another long wing would be ideal to me.

[Jester_]

Unfortunately all the names that have been on the block in Lilllard, Siakam and Simmons are poor fits for the Warriors with either Steph or Draymond. I’m all for swinging for the fences and trading Wiseman, Wiggins and the picks but it has to work with the core that is left.

I don't get these takes (or most of the ones in this thread)

Lillard-Steph-Klay-Draymond wins a ring. Who in hell is going to stop that? It'll be comparable to KD/JH/KI on offense with way better defense

Dame bringing the ball down the floor, doing a hand-off to Draymond while Klay and Steph run circles around the court might be scarier than when we had KD.

I hear you but I just disagree. Offensively they would be good but not on D. Dame is really bad on defense. KD was an idea fit as a long SF on both sides of the court and another long wing would be ideal to me.

Klay and Draymond are both all-NBA defenders. We won't be a #1 defense, I'll give you that, but we'll be a lot better than Brooklyn, while being comparable offensively.

[ChuckDurn]

Unfortunately all the names that have been on the block in Lilllard, Siakam and Simmons are poor fits for the Warriors with either Steph or Draymond. I’m all for swinging for the fences and trading Wiseman, Wiggins and the picks but it has to work with the core that is left.

I don't get these takes (or most of the ones in this thread)

Lillard-Steph-Klay-Draymond wins a ring. Who in hell is going to stop that? It'll be comparable to KD/JH/KI on offense with way better defense

Dame bringing the ball down the floor, doing a hand-off to Draymond while Klay and Steph run circles around the court might be scarier than when we had KD.

I hear you but I just disagree. Offensively they would be good but not on D. Dame is really bad on defense. KD was an idea fit as a long SF on both sides of the court and another long wing would be ideal to me.

I’ve gotta agree with you. Durant is an extremely good defender, and with Kyrie and Harden, a lot of their issues relate to effort. We’ve seen them both lock in when it matters, and become at least “decent”. Plus, there isn’t a size issue, as Harden is big enough to guard 2’s and wings (when he chooses to). With Lillard and Curry, size is definitely an issue, and we’ve never seen Lillard play even “decent” defense.

I’m a bit pessimistic that it would work, though obviously I’d be rooting for it to succeed if it did come to pass.

[osx28]

Unfortunately all the names that have been on the block in Lilllard, Siakam and Simmons are poor fits for the Warriors with either Steph or Draymond. I’m all for swinging for the fences and trading Wiseman, Wiggins and the picks but it has to work with the core that is left.

I don't get these takes (or most of the ones in this thread)

Lillard-Steph-Klay-Draymond wins a ring. Who in hell is going to stop that? It'll be comparable to KD/JH/KI on offense with way better defense

Dame bringing the ball down the floor, doing a hand-off to Draymond while Klay and Steph run circles around the court might be scarier than when we had KD.

I feel like they'd be top 4 for sure, but I don't think it would be a guaranteed title. The Nets big 3 are a better fit together and are bigger. A healthy Lakers or Clippers team would give us fits as well. I'm not saying we couldn't beat all of them, but it's not a slam dunk imo. Especially because the lack of depth that would be left.

I think a deep team built by drafting well or by using those picks to get some good role players instead of the g-leaguers we had the past 2 years would be in the exact same position as a top 4 contender in the league. Trading for Dame is a sideways move imo.

For example take these 3 scenarios before any TMLE or vet min FAs also asuming Oubre walks)

A) We trade everything for Dame roster would look like this:

Curry/Poole/Manion
Dame/Lee/ Mulder
Klay/Bazemore/????
Dray/JTA/???
Looney/Bell??

B) We facilitate a trade between Philly and Portland by sending 14 and 7 to Portland and getting Seth, Thybull and Zach Collins. Portland gets Simmons and our picks, Philly gets Dame. If needed we could add a future pick or some 2 rounders. Money works if picks are signed and we send spare contracts

Curry/Curry/Manion
Klay/Poole/Lee
Wiggins/Thybull/Bazemore
Dray/Collins/JTA
Looney/Wiseman/Bell?

C) We draft win now players like Mitchell and Wagner

Curry/Mitchell/Manion
Klay/Poole/lee
Wiggins/Wagner/Bazemore
Dray/JTA/??
Looney/Wiseman

Honestly, my preference would be scenario B, plus I also think it would be more realistic than portland taking our "whole enchilada" package for Dame. Scenario C is probably the least desirable.

I believe Team A vs team B in a 7 game series would go to seven games, so I'd rather have some continuity with Wiggins and wiseman and not blow things up for Dame. Plus adding a third Splash Brother would be so much fun!

[Scoots1994]

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Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

He has twitter and he thinks he's part of the Warriors organization. You cannot stand up to the authority!

[ILOVEIT]

posted this idea on other thread but...
Warriors will keep Wiggins and Wiseman....focus on Oubre 7 and 14 to bring in a proven upgrade at center

[Coxy]

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Did you just quote your own tweet here?