Trade Thread (EPISODE VI: Can't we just put EVERYTHING in the TE?)

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This is pretty dumb. Of course it makes us better - you're trading slope for y intercept

Almost any Wiseman trade makes us better now, by default. The question is whether or not you are getting close to max value for your assets, and here.. no, dont believe we are.

I think Poeltl is a fine big man, but I think you could drop a defense/rebound rookie like Bassey in the same situation and get about 90% of the same production. So then it comes down to how much you like Derrick White (and how much for this team do you like him). For me? Not that much more than Poole.

I'd be looking for better fits than this

[clyde21]

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i would trade Wiseman yesterday if I had my way but Wiseman+7th seems like a huge overpay here, even if it does make us better short term.

[EvanZ]

Once again people vastly overrating our assets and underestimating others. Go look up EPM of Poeltl and White and tell me how we get that back without giving up as much.

[VCfor3]

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i would trade Wiseman yesterday if I had my way but Wiseman+7th seems like a huge overpay here, even if it does make us better short term.

I agree that both 7+Wiseman is too much. At least one of those assets needs to be downgraded.

My question for you guys is how do you value your future pick Memphis owns? 2024 Top 4 protected, then top 1, then unprotected. I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out how interested your FO might be in it so thought I'd ask here since you would know better than I. On one hand, you guys are supposedly looking for win-now pieces and a pick years down the road is the exact opposite. On the other hand, if you guys did get your pick back then it minimizes the risk of you going all in now and then giving up a very high pick at a time when your core is potentially near retirement.

[clyde21]

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i would trade Wiseman yesterday if I had my way but Wiseman+7th seems like a huge overpay here, even if it does make us better short term.

I agree that both 7+Wiseman is too much. At least one of those assets needs to be downgraded.

My question for you guys is how do you value your future pick Memphis owns? 2024 Top 4 protected, then top 1, then unprotected. I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out how interested your FO might be in it so thought I'd ask here since you would know better than I. On one hand, you guys are supposedly looking for win-now pieces and a pick years down the road is the exact opposite. On the other hand, if you guys did get your pick back then it minimizes the risk of you going all in now and then giving up a very high pick at a time when your core is potentially near retirement.

dont remind of that...**** Myers.

[VCfor3]

i would trade Wiseman yesterday if I had my way but Wiseman+7th seems like a huge overpay here, even if it does make us better short term.

I agree that both 7+Wiseman is too much. At least one of those assets needs to be downgraded.

My question for you guys is how do you value your future pick Memphis owns? 2024 Top 4 protected, then top 1, then unprotected. I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out how interested your FO might be in it so thought I'd ask here since you would know better than I. On one hand, you guys are supposedly looking for win-now pieces and a pick years down the road is the exact opposite. On the other hand, if you guys did get your pick back then it minimizes the risk of you going all in now and then giving up a very high pick at a time when your core is potentially near retirement.

dont remind of that...**** Myers.

It got you #7 this draft in an indirect way. I'm sure Memphis would gladly give you it back plus more for #7

[clyde21]

I agree that both 7+Wiseman is too much. At least one of those assets needs to be downgraded.

My question for you guys is how do you value your future pick Memphis owns? 2024 Top 4 protected, then top 1, then unprotected. I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out how interested your FO might be in it so thought I'd ask here since you would know better than I. On one hand, you guys are supposedly looking for win-now pieces and a pick years down the road is the exact opposite. On the other hand, if you guys did get your pick back then it minimizes the risk of you going all in now and then giving up a very high pick at a time when your core is potentially near retirement.

dont remind of that...**** Myers.

It got you #7 this draft in an indirect way. I'm sure Memphis would gladly give you it back plus more for #7

well yea, he got lucky with that Dlo trade because of the Towns connection, but the thought process behind that trade was sooooooo bad...but even then...it's a wait and see...the trade would've been much better had this pick landed #4 or #5...#7 and you're in a different tier of player...if that 24 pick is a high pick then the trade looks pretty bad overall given on the otherwise u guys were also able to flip Iggy for an asset.

[azwfan]

dont remind of that...**** Myers.

It got you #7 this draft in an indirect way. I'm sure Memphis would gladly give you it back plus more for #7

well yea, he got lucky with that Dlo trade because of the Towns connection, but the thought process behind that trade was sooooooo bad...but even then...it's a wait and see...the trade would've been much better had this pick landed #4 or #5...#7 and you're in a different tier of player...if that 24 pick is a high pick then the trade looks pretty bad overall given on the otherwise u guys were also able to flip Iggy for an asset.

Lucky? No

3 words.
Light. Years. Ahead.

[VCfor3]

dont remind of that...**** Myers.

It got you #7 this draft in an indirect way. I'm sure Memphis would gladly give you it back plus more for #7

well yea, he got lucky with that Dlo trade because of the Towns connection, but the thought process behind that trade was sooooooo bad...but even then...it's a wait and see...the trade would've been much better had this pick landed #4 or #5...#7 and you're in a different tier of player...if that 24 pick is a high pick then the trade looks pretty bad overall given on the otherwise u guys were also able to flip Iggy for an asset.

I was mostly joking around. Yeah I agree that it was a bad deal both at the time and now even with the luck that got you pick #7 (though unlucky in regards to it not being higher).

[The-Power]

Once again people vastly overrating our assets and underestimating others. Go look up EPM of Poeltl and White and tell me how we get that back without giving up as much.

There's a big difference between evaluating assets and evaluating players. A trade can make you immediately better and still be an overpay. Seems to me like you're failing to make this distinction.

[The-Power]

My question for you guys is how do you value your future pick Memphis owns? 2024 Top 4 protected, then top 1, then unprotected. I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out how interested your FO might be in it so thought I'd ask here since you would know better than I. On one hand, you guys are supposedly looking for win-now pieces and a pick years down the road is the exact opposite. On the other hand, if you guys did get your pick back then it minimizes the risk of you going all in now and then giving up a very high pick at a time when your core is potentially near retirement.

It depends: what would Memphis be looking for? I am positive that the Warriors fully expect to still be very competitive in 2024, even though you can never know for sure what's going to happen. So I don't see the Warriors thinking of the pick as a potentially ‘very high pick’. If they did, they would never have traded it. If that is what the Grizzlies hope for, then I doubt there's a deal to be made.

That being said, I do believe that the Warriors would like to have more flexibility in trading away future firsts again. Also, it is always nice to have control over one's own draft picks and avoid the risks or be free to decide to tank. Hence, there is value and should be interest in getting the pick back – just not at a very high price, in my mind. Trading down from 14 to 17 could be a start if the Grizzlies really like a prospect they fear might or will be taken until it's their turn; but I'm not sure what more the trade would need, and if the teams could reach an agreement on the value of the 2024 GSW pick.

[EvanZ]

Once again people vastly overrating our assets and underestimating others. Go look up EPM of Poeltl and White and tell me how we get that back without giving up as much.

There's a big difference between evaluating assets and evaluating players. A trade can make you immediately better and still be an overpay. Seems to me like you're failing to make this distinction.

Nah, but in this case that's irrelevant since the Spurs players are better and Pop would in all likelihood want even more to part with them.

[shazam_guy]

Rumor suggests Nets might have kept Dinwiddie for a sign-and-trade. What do y'all think about that? We've got Oubre. We've got two draft choices. Anything we could put together, and would it be worth it?

[wco81]

Cavs want to dump Sexton, supposedly the Warriors are interested.

Too small and not switchable.

But surprising, he's pretty efficient shooter. But Curry still way more efficient and Sexton wants max money anyways.

[ChuckDurn]

Cavs want to dump Sexton, supposedly the Warriors are interested.

Too small and not switchable.

But surprising, he's pretty efficient shooter. But Curry still way more efficient and Sexton wants max money anyways.

Yeah, there’s a separate thread about Sexton. Might want to check it out.

[zimpy27]

Dropped this on the trade board but figured I could get some feedback on this. I'm sure some will hate it and some will like it. Not sure who you guys take with #7 but I made an educated guess.

Memphis gets Wiseman
Ja, Brooks, Anderson, JJJ, Val -- Jones, Konchar, Allen, Clarke, Wiseman
Memphis lose a lot of depth here but gain a top 3 prospect from Tennessee all time and the chance to form a young trio of Ja, JJJ, Wiseman.

GSW get Melton, Tillman, Bane
Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, Tillman -- Melton, Poole, Bane, #7 (Jalen J, Kuminga), Looney
They split up Wiseman talent in to pieces that can support a championship run. And yet the 3 pieces are all young with potential to burn and on 3-year contracts. Tillman feels like the ideal GSW C to me, effectively a bigger version of Looney who can switch on perimeter, can hold his own against any C in the league, sets solid screens, rolls with speed and can hit the occasional 3. Melton and Bane offer quality 3 and D as bigger guards that can hold their own against most players 1 to 3.

[xdrta+]

Rumor suggests Nets might have kept Dinwiddie for a sign-and-trade. What do y'all think about that? We've got Oubre. We've got two draft choices. Anything we could put together, and would it be worth it?

No, the Warriors can't, but the Lakers might. LA is his hometown, after all.

[FNQ]

Dropped this on the trade board but figured I could get some feedback on this. I'm sure some will hate it and some will like it. Not sure who you guys take with #7 but I made an educated guess.

Memphis gets Wiseman
Ja, Brooks, Anderson, JJJ, Val -- Jones, Konchar, Allen, Clarke, Wiseman
Memphis lose a lot of depth here but gain a top 3 prospect from Tennessee all time and the chance to form a young trio of Ja, JJJ, Wiseman.

GSW get Melton, Tillman, Bane
Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, Tillman -- Melton, Poole, Bane, #7 (Jalen J, Kuminga), Looney
They split up Wiseman talent in to pieces that can support a championship run. And yet the 3 pieces are all young with potential to burn and on 3-year contracts. Tillman feels like the ideal GSW C to me, effectively a bigger version of Looney who can switch on perimeter, can hold his own against any C in the league, sets solid screens, rolls with speed and can hit the occasional 3. Melton and Bane offer quality 3 and D as bigger guards that can hold their own against most players 1 to 3.

Don’t love the idea of parting out Wiseman unless it’s in conjunction with a much bigger move. And I honestly like all the Memphis parts coming in, and think the value is close enough considering Wiseman’s disastrous rookie year. But this is more of a deadline deal where we 1) want to move on from Wiseman because he isn’t fitting and 2) still have a great need for depth

Considering we still have the 7/14 to figure out, we’d be looking at a huge rotation: Curry, Poole, Klay, Wiggins, Draymond, Looney, 7, 14, Melton, Tillman, Bane... 11 heads, and that doesnt count FAs and fringe guys who deserve some minutes (JTA, Lee)

[zimpy27]

Dropped this on the trade board but figured I could get some feedback on this. I'm sure some will hate it and some will like it. Not sure who you guys take with #7 but I made an educated guess.

Memphis gets Wiseman
Ja, Brooks, Anderson, JJJ, Val -- Jones, Konchar, Allen, Clarke, Wiseman
Memphis lose a lot of depth here but gain a top 3 prospect from Tennessee all time and the chance to form a young trio of Ja, JJJ, Wiseman.

GSW get Melton, Tillman, Bane
Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, Tillman -- Melton, Poole, Bane, #7 (Jalen J, Kuminga), Looney
They split up Wiseman talent in to pieces that can support a championship run. And yet the 3 pieces are all young with potential to burn and on 3-year contracts. Tillman feels like the ideal GSW C to me, effectively a bigger version of Looney who can switch on perimeter, can hold his own against any C in the league, sets solid screens, rolls with speed and can hit the occasional 3. Melton and Bane offer quality 3 and D as bigger guards that can hold their own against most players 1 to 3.

Don’t love the idea of parting out Wiseman unless it’s in conjunction with a much bigger move. And I honestly like all the Memphis parts coming in, and think the value is close enough considering Wiseman’s disastrous rookie year. But this is more of a deadline deal where we 1) want to move on from Wiseman because he isn’t fitting and 2) still have a great need for depth

Considering we still have the 7/14 to figure out, we’d be looking at a huge rotation: Curry, Poole, Klay, Wiggins, Draymond, Looney, 7, 14, Melton, Tillman, Bane... 11 heads, and that doesnt count FAs and fringe guys who deserve some minutes (JTA, Lee)

I don't think you're getting much beyond those 11 heads. Some minimum guys only I'd suspect. You're looking at a huge salary and tax payment for those 11. You could give #14 to Mem to get your future FRP back, saves money/tax and opens flexibility.

I think it's smarter to trade Wiseman for win-now rotation pieces and use #7 and #14. The reason I think that is that Wiseman didn't look like a good fit with GSW, he has potential but that will take even longer to extract than #7 and #14 in this draft IMO. He might be better than the 3 guys coming back in this trade eventually but he won't be as impactful over the next 3 years.

[clyde21]

Dropped this on the trade board but figured I could get some feedback on this. I'm sure some will hate it and some will like it. Not sure who you guys take with #7 but I made an educated guess.

Memphis gets Wiseman
Ja, Brooks, Anderson, JJJ, Val -- Jones, Konchar, Allen, Clarke, Wiseman
Memphis lose a lot of depth here but gain a top 3 prospect from Tennessee all time and the chance to form a young trio of Ja, JJJ, Wiseman.

GSW get Melton, Tillman, Bane
Curry, Klay, Wiggins, Green, Tillman -- Melton, Poole, Bane, #7 (Jalen J, Kuminga), Looney
They split up Wiseman talent in to pieces that can support a championship run. And yet the 3 pieces are all young with potential to burn and on 3-year contracts. Tillman feels like the ideal GSW C to me, effectively a bigger version of Looney who can switch on perimeter, can hold his own against any C in the league, sets solid screens, rolls with speed and can hit the occasional 3. Melton and Bane offer quality 3 and D as bigger guards that can hold their own against most players 1 to 3.

Don’t love the idea of parting out Wiseman unless it’s in conjunction with a much bigger move. And I honestly like all the Memphis parts coming in, and think the value is close enough considering Wiseman’s disastrous rookie year. But this is more of a deadline deal where we 1) want to move on from Wiseman because he isn’t fitting and 2) still have a great need for depth

Considering we still have the 7/14 to figure out, we’d be looking at a huge rotation: Curry, Poole, Klay, Wiggins, Draymond, Looney, 7, 14, Melton, Tillman, Bane... 11 heads, and that doesnt count FAs and fringe guys who deserve some minutes (JTA, Lee)

i honestly don't think Memphis makes that deal today, and if we Wiseman still shows hes not a good fit by the deadline, his value is gonna get even lower

i think we're stuck w/ Wiseman for now unless he shows better next season and then flip him at the deadline while his value is up hopefully.